Community Event / Creation Buckyball Racing Club presents: The Black Riband

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I think the reason for excluding them is some Commanders refuse to smuggle them (myself included in the narcotics case). This is in my case a bit of RL intruding on my Commander's morality... I've seen some of the effects of such things on the lives of some people close to me, and so I can't really look at them objectively.

If it can't be made to work without them, and if I'm the only one not participating because of it, though, don't feel like you have to hold everything up on my account. I'd love to participate, but it won't break my heart if I can't. I also don't want to be the one impeding everyone else's fun.

I do appreciate the effort, though.
You're not the only one who didn't participate due to including narcotics in the original & in the Bootlegger Challenge. Also since the Black Riband is an ongoing version of the Bootlegger Challenge I would like to make it booze only if possible as I'd personally associate the name bootlegger mostly with US prohibition era smugglers.

I'm fairly sure that I'll have everything sorted out as soon as I've a few free evenings to play in, which is very likely to happen over the next week or so. If I'm still struggling after that, then I'll go with more than just booze, but I'll stick with tobacco products rather than narcotics. That way the right Fed system would at least ban those plus Pearl Whisky.

I need to get the event finalised though, as I'm very keen to have a go at an unlimited A* run in The Nomad, and I really want a pre-planned route this time, as all three of my previous runs were virtually unplanned.
 
I think the reason for excluding them is some Commanders refuse to smuggle them (myself included in the narcotics case). This is in my case a bit of RL intruding on my Commander's morality... I've seen some of the effects of such things on the lives of some people close to me, and so I can't really look at them objectively.

If it can't be made to work without them, and if I'm the only one not participating because of it, though, don't feel like you have to hold everything up on my account. I'd love to participate, but it won't break my heart if I can't. I also don't want to be the one impeding everyone else's fun.

I do appreciate the effort, though.


That makes total sense, I hadn't thought of that at all. :(

Booze and Tobacco sound good to me. :D

That said, Declaring Intent to Smuggle. (Starting with a Type 9)
 
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Fly fast (by T9 standards) CMDR Bruski.

The updated race is just waiting for 2.4 as the new pirate rum definitely has to be included. I'll need to go with booze and tobacco to ensure there's enough illegal items, but I won't be including narcotics.
 
Apart from in pieces how do you smuggle a T9?

Inside a T-10! :D

Actually, the answer is with a bunch of engineering, from Heavy Metal, Nebulocity, Advanced Options, Okinura Station Sprint, pillaging parts from a Python, Conda, and Orca to make this monstrosity move at all. Still took over an hour, I shudder at how long it would take unengineered.

[video=youtube;irJLWdCAQFw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irJLWdCAQFw[/video]
 
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Fly fast (by T9 standards) CMDR Bruski.

The updated race is just waiting for 2.4 as the new pirate rum definitely has to be included. I'll need to go with booze and tobacco to ensure there's enough illegal items, but I won't be including narcotics.

Oh, that's exciting. Will the race be to collect all the items, or x out of y items? Or is that top secret? :D
 
Tables updated.

Sorry furrycat, I thought that I'd posted updated tables after you retook the Riband, but I never actually posted the update. :eek:

The updated boards also include Bruski's spectacular Lakon Type-9 run in Oversized Coffeemaker which, at 1h08m34s, is less than 20 seconds slower than my original Asp-X baseline time set ready for the original Bootlegger Challenge.

Planning continues for the new event - due to launch when 2.4 goes live.

Currently planning to call it the "Bootlegger Challenge Rebootlegged" and include "Featuring the Black Riband" on the banner.

The Black Riband will be awarded to the fastest open mode run with a pre-declared start time - you'll post your start time in advance to the forum, so all valid Black Riband runs will have the pressure of being "one shot" and also have the potential for human pirates and "customs officials" to intervene.

This event and thread will be maintained as the "Black Riband Classic" and will be linked to from the newer event thread.
 
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The Black Riband will be awarded to the fastest open mode run with a pre-declared start time - you'll post your start time in advance to the forum, so all valid Black Riband runs will have the pressure of being "one shot" and also have the potential for human pirates and "customs officials" to intervene.
Nice. I may have to steal this mechanic.
 
Nice. I may have to steal this mechanic.

It's an interesting idea, but I would be wary using it for any other race. I feel it's likely to reduce participation, especially in a normal length race, due to the need to post a time.

It could work well in an unlimited time race like this one, but I'm already reluctant to fly Black Riband 1.0, due to the need to bump an old thread. (That's probably me just being silly / anxious, but it's a feeling that exists.)

The other consideration is how much pirating and "customs officialsing" would be encouraged. I'm decent at interdicting things from doing some powerplay and Iridum Wing escorting, but I'd still feel bad ruining another racer's good run, unless it was explicitly stated that this was "proper behavior." I'd be a terrible griefer, I know :p It also gives someone like me an advantage, since I can easily schedule a run for 0400 UTC, when 75% of players are asleep.

Another idea that I've seen bandied around is a race where you have to leave at the top or bottom of the hour (or on a 5 or 10 minute mark) to encourage racers to complete simultaneous runs. (probably with a shorter race than these awesome smuggling runs. :D )
 
It's an interesting idea, but I would be wary using it for any other race. I feel it's likely to reduce participation, especially in a normal length race, due to the need to post a time.

It could work well in an unlimited time race like this one, but I'm already reluctant to fly Black Riband 1.0, due to the need to bump an old thread. (That's probably me just being silly / anxious, but it's a feeling that exists.)

The other consideration is how much pirating and "customs officialsing" would be encouraged. I'm decent at interdicting things from doing some powerplay and Iridum Wing escorting, but I'd still feel bad ruining another racer's good run, unless it was explicitly stated that this was "proper behavior." I'd be a terrible griefer, I know :p It also gives someone like me an advantage, since I can easily schedule a run for 0400 UTC, when 75% of players are asleep.

Another idea that I've seen bandied around is a race where you have to leave at the top or bottom of the hour (or on a 5 or 10 minute mark) to encourage racers to complete simultaneous runs. (probably with a shorter race than these awesome smuggling runs. :D )
It's for a standing challenge I'm working on and it'll be modified some, but I particularly like the aspect of giving runs the pressure of being "one shot". I'd be happy to discuss the race idea with you on Discord, to get some feedback before posting the details. :)
 
My mechanic is merely to post your start time in advance the forum, with your normal details (eg CMDR / Ship / Ship Name). This could be as much day in advance (handy if you wanted to run against a competitor) or as little as 5 minutes in advance (this will be the minimum), whatever is more convenient.

Your start time photo would have to show the specified time or later. I want to capture the feeling of ElecticZ's live events during Buckyball-9. Open mode's essential for The Black Riband itself, but I'm tweaking things so that those who don't like open can participate - they just won't be eligible to hold the Black Riband.

Ideally, as this will be a long race and participation isn't expected to be too high, I'd like every run to be listed on the boards - including all the failed/aborted runs, not just the one perfect run out of half-a-dozen; and for the runs that go wrong, I'd like to be able to include the details of what went wrong.

It's an interesting idea, but I would be wary using it for any other race. I feel it's likely to reduce participation, especially in a normal length race, due to the need to post a time.

It could work well in an unlimited time race like this one, but I'm already reluctant to fly Black Riband 1.0, due to the need to bump an old thread. (That's probably me just being silly / anxious, but it's a feeling that exists.)

The other consideration is how much pirating and "customs officialsing" would be encouraged. I'm decent at interdicting things from doing some powerplay and Iridum Wing escorting, but I'd still feel bad ruining another racer's good run, unless it was explicitly stated that this was "proper behavior." I'd be a terrible griefer, I know :p It also gives someone like me an advantage, since I can easily schedule a run for 0400 UTC, when 75% of players are asleep.

Another idea that I've seen bandied around is a race where you have to leave at the top or bottom of the hour (or on a 5 or 10 minute mark) to encourage racers to complete simultaneous runs. (probably with a shorter race than these awesome smuggling runs. :D )

I'd actually go as far as to say that fellow competitors would probably be discouraged from interdictions, but I'm not too fussed - as with the original Bootlegger Challenge, anyone making a Black Riband run would be consenting to pvp - so:
a) Fat Tony's not interested in whiners - it's impossible to grief in this event.
b) Little Nuk wants to know all the details.
c) I think everyone already knows that cmdr Bruski is very, very competitive (in a good way), so I don't think you'd need to feel too bad about it. ;)

As there's no shame in pvp attacks during the race, I'm hoping the attackers will consent to being named and that mods will be okay with this arrangement as this is consensual pvp smuggling event - so Little Nuk's planning to use any details passed to him to contact the pirate or customs official in question, to see if they'd like to get the fame/infamy that they deserve. If it proves to be a problem with the mods, then I'll take that particular list off site to Reddit or it's own webpage.

The 4am thing is interesting, it's certainly perfectly fair, as a good smuggler should time their runs to avoid interference. The target black-market systems will be player controlled systems though, this is part of the reason for the pre-declared runs. It's a necessity I think, because I need the presence of a black-market to be as stable as possible, so I need the controlling factions to be stable and preferably the powerplay status of the systems as well.

I don't think that participation / cargo quantities will ever be enough to have a serious negative effect on the BGS of those systems, but I want to give those players the opportunity to try and block the smugglers if they like. One of the groups that I've chatted with were very keen to do some customs checking, but I was a little worried that nobody would ever get instanced with them due to time zone differences. :D
 
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My mechanic is merely to post your start time in advance the forum, with your normal details (eg CMDR / Ship / Ship Name). This could be as much day in advance (handy if you wanted to run against a competitor) or as little as 5 minutes in advance (this will be the minimum), whatever is more convenient.

Your start time photo would have to show the specified time or later. I want to capture the feeling of ElecticZ's live events during Buckyball-9. Open mode's essential for The Black Riband itself, but I'm tweaking things so that those who don't like open can participate - they just won't be eligible to hold the Black Riband.

Ideally, as this will be a long race and participation isn't expected to be too high, I'd like every run to be listed on the boards - including all the failed/aborted runs, not just the one perfect run out of half-a-dozen; and for the runs that go wrong, I'd like to be able to include the details of what went wrong.
I'm also going to require that a run be completed within a reasonable time-frame from the declared start time, which gives the racer some opportunity to address being late to the start line, false starts, and accidents, but still allows me to keep track of DNF results.

Coinciding with that I'm looking at requiring a little more notice, like 1 hour. The idea is that if someone scores a DNF they have to sit out temporarily and re-declare, possibly encouraging them to go collect repair mats and/or do more scouting of the course, but it also gives an impromptu Navigator the time to come help out the racer.

Lastly, I'm going to DQ any run where the declaration post is edited, not that I expect it to be an issue.
 
I'm also going to require that a run be completed within a reasonable time-frame from the declared start time, which gives the racer some opportunity to address being late to the start line, false starts, and accidents, but still allows me to keep track of DNF results.

Coinciding with that I'm looking at requiring a little more notice, like 1 hour. The idea is that if someone scores a DNF they have to sit out temporarily and re-declare, possibly encouraging them to go collect repair mats and/or do more scouting of the course, but it also gives an impromptu Navigator the time to come help out the racer.

Lastly, I'm going to DQ any run where the declaration post is edited, not that I expect it to be an issue.

I'm still mulling over the minimum time that can be declared, I'd considered making it at least an hour myself, but I'm unsure if it would discourage participation. There's not much 'casual' participation in the Black Riband anyway, so I might make it an hour for the reasons that you mention. I've been constantly swapping an changing my mind since EZ's live event to be honest, so I need to get the race finalised! lol :D

I've also been considering edited posts, but I'll probably just go on trust, especially if I used a one hour minimum declaration period like you. My maximum period for the rebootlegged race will be 24 hours from declaration to starting a run.

Incidentally, I've also sussed out my scoring system for the promised "booze cruise" leaderboard for those who'd like to carry passengers on their bootlegger runs. I just need to jump into my Beluga myself to check what passenger status information is shown in various cockpit tabs, as I've not run passenger missions for ages even though I really enjoyed them (I wanted to finally get to Elite explorer without my rank being unduly affected by short range tourist missions).

Little Nuk's Booze Cruise runs will score points based on a "par time" of one hour, with points gained and lost for each second under or over an hour, and for passenger satisfaction of each cabin, with an extra bonus for each of those annoying VIPs that's carried. Module choice will be restricted for Booze Cruise runs, but while it's aimed at the specialist passenger ships, it'll be open to anyone who wants to make a bootlegger run with passenger aboard.

So the Bootlegger Challenge Rebootlegged will be an ongoing challenge with a main leaderboard, but also the following sub-challenges with their own boards:
  • The Black Riband - open only, pre-declared starts only.
  • Little Nuks Booze Cruise - module restrictions apply, all 'spare' module slots filled with passenger cabins, all cabin occupied.
  • Fat Tony's Cobra Classic - Kind of a regulation cobra event, but any non-engineered Cobra Mk III is allowed in.

The sub-event are all mutually inclusive, so you could make a Black Riband Cobra Classic run that's also a Booze Cruise entry. :)

EDIT: PS I love the Lion's Back banner! :)
 
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I don't mean to be a huge jerk and I know it's been almost two years since my run but don't I hold the record for fastest DBS run? If it's been too long for me to challenge that's ok. I'll make an effort to get a record on the new race.
 
I don't mean to be a huge jerk and I know it's been almost two years since my run but don't I hold the record for fastest DBS run? If it's been too long for me to challenge that's ok. I'll make an effort to get a record on the new race.

Hey Kan3abl3, you're certainly not a jerk and yes you do hold the DBS class record - apologies for that, the leaderboard is fixed now. I'm not sure how I've missed that for almost two years, as your run was recorded but not your class record. :eek: December 2015 (3301) was most certainly the worst month of my life though, which explains the original mistake.

Belated congratulations on your class record, and I look forward to your run in the updated race. :D

STOP THE PRESS! - BREAKING NEWS...

The Black Riband rivalry between CMDRs Bruski and furrycat continues with the bear becoming the second CMDR to break the 40 minute barrier in his newest DBX RazorBear, retaking the Riband from his feline friend with a new record time of 39m23s.

With his earlier Type-9 run and his old Asp-X record, CMDR Bruski now also holds 3 class records for the event.

Congratulations Bruski. o7
 
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