Calling all Federation Commanders - We are at War with the Empire

The only thing a citizen is in the Federation IS a vote. Your politicians don't care about you, as evident from the recent Federal atrocities on Galnet. Everything from bombing farmers from orbit to destroying fleeing civilian transports. You idiots wouldn't know freedom if it opened the door for you and let you out. You're brainwashed from birth with a sense of meek obedience to an ideal of 'righteousness' but really you're the laughing stock of the galaxy. Your frontier worlds try to break away so you break them with your navy. How's that for democracy?
On a side note, CMDRS, I just logged back in game at Volungu. I had another quick peek at the low intensity CZ and I was delighted to see numerous Imperials! I also added 5 CMDRS to my tally in addition to nearly getting wasted by a PC wing.
HR 706 is nearly done anyway. I think I'll hang around Volungu and hamper the Federal defence.
 
War continues. There was a large group of Imperial Cmdrs at the Low intensity zone, but we formed a group and routed them after taking down a couple. As ever its all about numbers. We need Fed Cmdrs to form in wings and keep the low zone open. Further Jemison Refinery seems totally locked. I dont know if some Imp Cmdrs are sat in the dock and out of their ship but with no other traffic in sight we were denied docking access. Hopefully this isnt some cowardly Imp plan to stop the flow of combat bonds.

I repeat once more, we can win this, but we need to work together and smartly
 
The only thing a citizen is in the Federation IS a vote. Your politicians don't care about you, as evident from the recent Federal atrocities on Galnet. Everything from bombing farmers from orbit to destroying fleeing civilian transports. You idiots wouldn't know freedom if it opened the door for you and let you out. You're brainwashed from birth with a sense of meek obedience to an ideal of 'righteousness' but really you're the laughing stock of the galaxy. Your frontier worlds try to break away so you break them with your navy. How's that for democracy?
On a side note, CMDRS, I just logged back in game at Volungu. I had another quick peek at the low intensity CZ and I was delighted to see numerous Imperials! I also added 5 CMDRS to my tally in addition to nearly getting wasted by a PC wing.
HR 706 is nearly done anyway. I think I'll hang around Volungu and hamper the Federal defence.

Oh, that would be a scathing critique, if only Galnet had never reported "slave uprisings" (is it still indentured at that point?) and them being absolutely squashed (read: wiped out) by their owners.
 
  • War. War never changes.
  • The Romans waged war to gather slaves and wealth. Spain built an empire from its lust for gold and territory. Hitler shaped a battered Germany into an economic superpower.
  • But war never changes.

and there will always be someone like me there making a profit on the side :)
 
Both the Federation and Empire are a bunch of corrupt, hypocritical, warmongers that appear uncomfortably similar to each other once you strip away the pretensions and trappings.

Jingoism isn't my forte; I fight for whatever cause benefits my ideals and goals.
 
Oh, that would be a scathing critique, if only Galnet had never reported "slave uprisings" (is it still indentured at that point?) and them being absolutely squashed (read: wiped out) by their owners.

Are you speaking about Torvals slaves? The same senator who wishes to utilize the Federal black market in slaves as a misguided means to eliminate this abomination from the galaxy?
It's hardly surprising they rebelled, is it? We can detect the work of the Federal secret services in their pathetic attempts to undermine the Empire. Why are there no riots on Capitol or Topaz or any other established Imperial world?
The only way to stop the hypocrisy and misery of the Federation is to destroy the Federation itself. Never has such a behemoth of abject evil needed slaying so much.
@Lobey and Morbad. Dogs have always been a part of Human societies for thousands of years.
 
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  • War. War never changes.
  • The Romans waged war to gather slaves and wealth. Spain built an empire from its lust for gold and territory. Hitler shaped a battered Germany into an economic superpower.
  • But war never changes.

and there will always be someone like me there making a profit on the side :)

Can't believe your forgot the Empire.

T.ea
O.pium
S.ugar
S.laves

The things that made Britain great.
 
Volungu is a backwater of little economic importance or strategic value. Take it or leave it. Patron's Principles acted of their own accord to establish a foothold in the system, and they're seeing the consequences of their actions.

Y'all are acting like this will be the herald to the next war between the Federation and the Empire. The idea makes me wanna laugh so hard, that I'll likely vomit. The actions of one Imperial Faction causing war? Please, the Federals and their ultra right wing Shadow President, and the war mongerer Admiral Vincent have proven to be the true driving force behind Federal agression; not the empire. Every argument you can make against Imperial figures can be matched with another just as distasteful and disgraceful figure on the Federal side.

Like it or not, both sides are in the wrong here. Y'all are acting like rabid dogs, just waiting to be taken off the leash. Looking for an excuse to murder one another. You all disgust me, you monsters. Purely inhuman, all of you. There's greater issues at hand than this minor territory dispute. Bunch of clowns honking their horns, spewin' a zealot's drivel. Y'all should start a church.
 
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There should be a rule not to shoot CMDRs who are running away to go back to the station or return to battle after hitting another CMDR with a stray beam.

This is happening too often.

It should be obvious that the CMDR is on your side if he is not shooting at you.

I've lost over 100,000CR of combat bonds because some CMDR decided to shoot me after my fixed beams briefly licked some other CMDRs hull.

It's harder also when you get players moving up close to their target, not to hit them, I know as this is my tactic too.

Please, can we make it possible so that if you hit a team member of your own faction by mistake it does not immediately make you the enemy?
 
There should be a rule not to shoot CMDRs who are running away to go back to the station or return to battle after hitting another CMDR with a stray beam.

This is happening too often.

It should be obvious that the CMDR is on your side if he is not shooting at you.

I've lost over 100,000CR of combat bonds because some CMDR decided to shoot me after my fixed beams briefly licked some other CMDRs hull.

It's harder also when you get players moving up close to their target, not to hit them, I know as this is my tactic too.

Please, can we make it possible so that if you hit a team member of your own faction by mistake it does not immediately make you the enemy?

I'm afraid that red means dead, CMDR. Fire discipline is of utmost importance, whichever side you're on.
 
The empire has no tax? All your police, your armies, your politicians... everyone that doesn't produce a physical product that can be bartered, do it out of the kindness of their hearts?
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Wholesale enslavement of unwilling people is just a small step over a very vague line when slavery... oh sorry... "indentured servitude" is deemed acceptable by the "masters".

You'd be mistaken to believe that Imperials all love slavery. Just a few weeks ago, a large initiative freed 1,200,000 slaves completely. The viewpoint that slavery is barbaric and impractical is becoming a much more acceptable one, especially amongst us, Aisling's Angels.

Additionally, yes, we have taxes. Some Senators have made their jurisdictions 100% tax free. Almost none charge the exorbitant, confusing, bureaucratic tax bills your Federation unilaterally imposes, that are tantamount to the confiscation of half a man/woman's income. That is tyranny.


Wasn't Halsey booed by the students of one of the Federation's own universities over the tax increases? What's her approval rating in the last poll, 16% and plummeting? How embarrassing.

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Volungu is a backwater of little economic importance or strategic value. Take it or leave it. Patron's Principles acted of their own accord to establish a foothold in the system, and they're seeing the consequences of their actions.

Y'all are acting like this will be the herald to the next war between the Federation and the Empire. The idea makes me wanna laugh so hard, that I'll likely vomit. The actions of one Imperial Faction causing war? Please, the Federals and their ultra right wing Shadow President, and the war mongerer Admiral Vincent have proven to be the true driving force behind Federal agression; not the empire. Every argument you can make against Imperial figures can be matched with another just as distasteful and disgraceful figure on the Federal side.

Like it or not, both sides are in the wrong here. Y'all are acting like rabid dogs, just waiting to be taken off the leash. Looking for an excuse to murder one another. You all disgust me, you monsters. Purely inhuman, all of you. There's greater issues at hand than this minor territory dispute. Bunch of clowns honking their horns, spewin' a zealot's drivel. Y'all should start a church.

Hey now, I actually like Hudson, at least he has some common sense.

Which is exactly why I love that Halsey is president, it's just a hilarious cascade of failure. It's like watching a train wreck, you can't watch, but you can't look away!
 
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Even if your pretty tales were accurate commander, being a "half-slave" is better than being an actual slave, bought and sold as property. Every citizen in the Federation has a vote and every citizen, even your mythical "half-slave", has the opportunity to make a better life for themselves regardless of which social caste they are born into. They may even rise to the highest political office if they so desire and if they so apply themselves. Yes we may have our share of bureaucracy, and yes, we may have some corruption within the government but in the Federation we, the citizens, have the power to change our leaders if they do not measure up, without them having to stab each other in the back, literally.

You don't get it, do you? I lived in the Federation. I PAID those taxes. Don't say it isn't accurate because I lived it.

Moreover, you don't seem to be very good at math. Every single working citizen in the Federation pays exorbitant taxes averaging out to about 50% of their income, not even counting things like taxes on their assets (If you don't understand the difference between income and assets, I can enlighten you, you Fed types never were too bright, your brains fried by your virtual realities), such as property taxes, and even estate taxes, also known as being taxed for dying. Very few Imperials are slaves, whereas very few Federals are not taxed to death (I wonder who, could it be the corporate sponsors that put Halsey into office?)

Yeah, the Fed loves their damn taxes, and you are powerless to stop it, which makes you a slave. You work for free, which makes you a slave. And your votes are meaningless in a system we all know is rigged by your corporations that run your government, and monopolize your markets, cutting out any real opportunity for social climbing through trade and business. The minute you try, as Icarus, to fly too close to the sun, you will fall, because the corporations are the real power in the Federation. In the Empire, we have a free market where we have true meritocracy. Yes, we have social classes, and you can move between them if you prove yourself worthy. Unlike in the Fed, where you maneuver through what limited range you have by sucking the cocks of the corporations.

How about you get rid of Halsey? She is hated by almost your entire population at 16% approval.

Go on, use your vote to unseat her. And when you do? Oh, you don't like Hudson? Too bad, the corporations and the Navy of your "peaceful" Federation, whose exorbitant budget has made them fatter than a holiday pig, do.
 
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Well I suppose that's all good and fine, but while other CMDRs are busy chasing down some stray pilot that is trying to get away, that is on our side, and which they will gain nothing from destroying, I leave them too it, and stay in the field of battle to take on the next real enemy to claim my combat bonds.
 
Wow the imperials really are angry individuals!! Lots of spouting and vitriol.

All people of the Federation who had ancestors in Great Britain, europe, america, Australia russia the world!! Should rally and defeat these lackeys. Any man who would willingly be a slave has no backbone and needs to be pushed out of our systems.

People of the federation represent the great nation of earth. The true great empires.

Rule Federation. Federation rules the (space) waves!! Federals never, never never neeever shall be slaves!!!

Ps the 50% tax thing is just some joke someone made up to keep imperials out of our systems. We dont pay any taxes on income bwahahahah. Fed tax works on value added. So its just a tiny bit of our profit when we buy and sell.

Now get back to bathing your emporer or whatever. :p
 
Respected Federation Commanders,

This mornings influence report is in and it brings good news. After the crushing response from the Empire where we lost nearly 10 points in the influence ratings in Liaedin, yesterday's activities showed that we have risen by 3%.

This can only mean one thing, the Federation has risen to this challenge and has countered the Empire operation in Liaedin. To achieve a 3% increase whilst at the same time countering the Imperial efforts and running their blockades is a huge achievement.

CMDR you and your must stop interfering in Liaedin. All you are accomplishing is further baiting empire groups. Your actions in Liaedin directly undermines the peace and security of our great Federation. Your continued actions in defiance of the Treaty of Liaedin will likely force EIC's hand, causing them to pull out of the peace accord and free themselves to act in Federal space, including Volungu, where they have been absent, even in the CG. I thought I painted the full picture with my previous post, why continue to push for meaningless war?

Why the need for a peace treaty if the underlying logic behind it is that aggression in the system would lead to nothing and that the system is locked? If that is the case then there is no reason to sign a treaty by either side.

That's why it's a WIN FOR US. They get a system that we can't flip anyway (read the lore, it says it's locked.) But in return EIC, the largest empire group in game, can't act ANYWHERE in its vicinity, including Volungu


How do you guarantee setting the faction standings to "non-expandable levels"? That would require FDev to hard-code them. We, the player base, should have no influence on FDev in regards to such a decision. Again... unless this is hard-coded into the game by the developers... there is no way to guarantee the Crimson Fortune Company's standing in Liaedin. In fact the terms of the agreement would result in an entropy effect in Crimson Fortune's standings that would drive it's standings back down to pre-Operation Blossom levels.

We have operatives monitoring the faction standings to ensure compliance. Deviation from the agreed-upon standings will be corrected by our groups (EIC/MM) through the standard background sim methods

The treaty with EIC has done nothing to prevent Imperials from participating in the Volungu combat zones. It certainly hasn't stopped the Imperial Navy NPCs nor has it had an appreciable effect on the player base. Yesterday I was chased off from the low intensity zone by a CMDR in a clipper with my Cobra down to 88% hull integrity. As soon as my shields were back up I re-entered the zone and another Cobra pilot and I managed to drop the Clipper's shields to which the Clipper's pilot responded by combat logging. Regardless... they are out there in Open so I'm sure they are participating in Solo/Group in large numbers. When Commanders are able to hop into Solo and participate in these zones incognito how do you even BEGIN to enforce the terms of such a treaty? The "meta-game" just won't allow it.

EIC specifically has been banned from Volungu by the treaty. In the opening hours of the CG there were a handful of EIC members in there due to misinformation but they have all since left. EIC has in fact expelled their own members who refused to comply. While there are bound to be imperial sympathizers in Open without our peace treaty, one which commanders continuing to carry out Op Blossom are undermining, there will be 500 more.

Also, I don't know how experienced in this game you are but you can't hinder this CG in solo mode or private group, you can only contribute to it. There are no opposing CG to Volungu. If anything solo/private will only boost federal progress in this CG.

Okay... now you're talking my language. We have to unite! That doesn't mean dissolving existing groups but we need to agree on a framework for good order and discipline. Operation Blossom has suffered for not operating from a central command. Too many splintered groups with their own agendas and divergent objectives. A single Post Commander should have had assignment to the Volungu system and, by virtue of proximity, the authority to manage operations in Liaedin. We really need to assign our Post Commanders to actual posts! Give them jurisdiction of key systems within the Federation and the responsibility for building wings to defend those systems and for supplying troops to these larger operations. We need an H.G. Wells type "Wings over the World" organization to unite us for peace. I propose that the varied Federation factional leaders come together and create a "Wings over the Federation" cover group where they can work toward standardizing how we operate, set clear lines of communication and define a chain of command so that we never again have to wonder who is in charge and who has the authority to enter into negotiations with non-Federation factions.

I'd be happy to be part of a large, Federal Congress type gathering of group leaders but right now I'm starting to feel that there are swaths of our faction that will refuse to see reason.
 
I'd be happy to be part of a large, Federal Congress type gathering of group leaders but right now I'm starting to feel that there are swaths of our faction that will refuse to see reason.

I disagree. I think that the vast majority of Federation loyalists are starving for an organization that can instill them with a sense of purpose. That is what has made the foray into Volungu and and Liaedin such a success that it tipped the scales in favor of a CG. When the rest of you signed your accord with the EIC there were many of us who, in our groups, felt isolated from that decision process. Why should we abide by a treaty that our leadership had not voice in? A treaty that would have required us to just turn our backs on weeks of work and a cause that had unified our group?
 
It should be obvious that the CMDR is on your side if he is not shooting at you.

I've lost over 100,000CR of combat bonds because some CMDR decided to shoot me after my fixed beams briefly licked some other CMDRs hull.

ase, can we make it possible so that if you hit a team member of your own faction by mistake it does not immediately make you the enemy?

Let's be honest; a red hollow triangle means shoot first and ask questions later. It's just too dangerous not too.
The fact they're not firing back just means I'm winning and they're running away.
In a war zone with maybe a dozen friendly commanders and several opponents it's really hard to keep track of who's on which side, if you even notice them arriving.
It's also pretty hard to keep track of the comms log when the red mist comes down.

I lost a 7.5M rebuy Anaconda and 0.5 million in bonds to friendly fire this evening - to a pilot I've flown with on several occasions. He didn't actually finish me off - but by the time he heard me screaming on teamspeak he'd knocked my thrusters out and the NPCs finished me off while I restarted.
Was I happy? No, that was a lot for me to lose and left me with only just another rebuy... But it's only a game and I guess you have to laugh it off.
Sadly, in war, accidents happen.

I agree it would be nice if there was some additional way to avoid this, but it would be difficult to make it non-exploitable.
Maybe a visual cue of some sort...
 
There should be a rule not to shoot CMDRs who are running away to go back to the station or return to battle after hitting another CMDR with a stray beam.

This is happening too often.

It should be obvious that the CMDR is on your side if he is not shooting at you.

I've lost over 100,000CR of combat bonds because some CMDR decided to shoot me after my fixed beams briefly licked some other CMDRs hull.

It's harder also when you get players moving up close to their target, not to hit them, I know as this is my tactic too.

Please, can we make it possible so that if you hit a team member of your own faction by mistake it does not immediately make you the enemy?

You do know this was a known tactic that both sides used during the Lugh war? IE, jump in the CZ, see what side people are fighting on, if they are not on your side join them, pretend to fight along side them, then shoot them in the back. So people are kinda jumpy now when they see a red hollow triangle (by mistake or not).
 
I disagree. I think that the vast majority of Federation loyalists are starving for an organization that can instill them with a sense of purpose. That is what has made the foray into Volungu and and Liaedin such a success that it tipped the scales in favor of a CG. When the rest of you signed your accord with the EIC there were many of us who, in our groups, felt isolated from that decision process. Why should we abide by a treaty that our leadership had not voice in? A treaty that would have required us to just turn our backs on weeks of work and a cause that had unified our group?
Yes this is why MM has had explosive growth since our recent inception.

We made a good-faith effort to reach out to the stakeholders but didn't know who to turn to. Do you represent a group? What's its name? Do you have a leader? We initially thought it was EDF behind Op. Blossom but they have not returned my message.

This is partially my fault, I am primarily a redditor and only recently have stepped up my forum game. But do understand it's the weeks of work that allowed this advantageous treaty to be created to start with.

No one can force you to do anything including abiding by a treaty you are not yet signatories to. But I implore you to join us in it, it truly is for the best of the Federation
 
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