To be honest, I wouldn't fly somewhere risky like a ruin site or a CG location with a ship full of exploration data
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The ODF (open defence force) will be along shortly to tell you your doing it wrong and bully you if you complain that open is full of... well, you know!
To be fair to the OP here, they are not crying in the slightest. They understood the mechanic and have accepted the consequences. They are merely pointing out that it is now only explorers that have this penalty. It used to be that when you died, all missions were lost as well as bounties, etc. This is no longer the case. It should be, in my opinion - or explorers should have some way to protect/recover their data (I mean, you can find exploration data caches far out in the void - why do our ships not drop these when they are destroyed?).
Or maybe I'm just too much of a cynic.
These days, I don't believe it is possible to be too cynical.
I don't disagree. It's a shame that mission runners don't carry the same risk... Especially as they have far less to lose.
My comment wasn't particularly aimed at the OP, just a general swipe of the claws at those who wish to believe that because one plays in open, you keep a stock of fava beans and Chianti in your ship.
I tend to agree that there should be some mechanic to recover or protect your stuff, but I'm running on 3 hours sleep so my brain is way too sluggish to even think of the edge cases that could bring up.
At the location of ship destruction a black box gets spawned. Pirates can pick it up and sell it on the black market and you can buy it back once you found out where. Or you can track the pirate down before he sells it and recover it by force. Or nobody picks it up and it still floats there with your wreck.
This is why, as an explorer myself, I will never play in Open no matter how much Braben and his developers might beg, plead or even try and coerce people out of Solo. In the case of the latter it would lead to many who only ever wanted a single player game anyway, walking away.
As regards collected nav data, I add my vote that this should not go down with the ship if your demise is a result of unprovoked gank by another player. There need to be steps in place to stop people reaching Sag-A or Beagle then suiciding back to claim their reward or trashing your ship in a neutron star as that's your own fault. But when you don't die as a result of your own deliberate act or stupidity it must be soul destroying to lose that data because Braben decided he wants ED to be a space version of Clash Of Clans!
As regards collected nav data, I add my vote that this should not go down with the ship if your demise is a result of unprovoked gank by another player. There need to be steps in place to stop people reaching Sag-A or Beagle then suiciding back to claim their reward or trashing your ship in a neutron star as that's your own fault. But when you don't die as a result of your own deliberate act or stupidity it must be soul destroying to lose that data because Braben decided he wants ED to be a space version of Clash Of Clans!
I explore 99% of the time when playing ED.
I have NO issues what so ever, with losing my data if my ship gets destroyed.
As far as I'm aware a ship full of cargo, a mining ship, a bounty hunter with bounties, etc,etc...these all lose their 'gains' if destroyed. Why should explorers be different?
Ok, so I may travel for months without the opportunity of offloading my data at a station, a bounty hunter could also go months without handing in bounties - unlikely, but possible.
That's the risk I take when I go out exploring.
Now if FD were to introduce an insurance cost that protects the costs of cargo if destroyed, leaving out the same protection against bounties or exploration data, then that would be different.
I have NO issues what so ever, with losing my data if my ship gets destroyed.
As far as I'm aware a ship full of cargo, a mining ship, a bounty hunter with bounties, etc,etc...these all lose their 'gains' if destroyed. Why should explorers be different?
Ok, so I may travel for months without the opportunity of offloading my data at a station, a bounty hunter could also go months without handing in bounties - unlikely, but possible.
That's the risk I take when I go out exploring.
Now if FD were to introduce an insurance cost that protects the costs of cargo if destroyed, leaving out the same protection against bounties or exploration data, then that would be different.
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My first trip to Sag A* ended in disaster when I returned. It was entirely my fault... I had a drink, and then faceplanted the station wall before I'd sold all the data. Though in those days, you could only sell one system at a time and it took a few seconds to do that. I'd just spent two hours selling the damn stuff, realised I was only a tiny percent of the way through, and decided I needed to do something else. Yes, of course I enjoyed the exploration and the collecting of the data. That doesn't diminish the loss when you do something stupid (like I did, or the OP here did - though at least it wasn't entirely the OP's fault here
).I ended up doing another long exploration trip (beyond Sag A*) not that long afterwards, primarily because I realised that I'd missed out the Great Annihilator on my first trip.
No one else thought this was funny? [big grin]
Ganker should be banned from open. Seriously FDev protect your community from these childish trolls.
Sandro himself gave the definitive advice not so long back.
It was a very, very politely and diplomatically worded 'git gud'.
No-one is getting banned from open.
Servers will fall over.
Get another hamster!
The people that should be banned are those that call for others to be banned, generally... It's an entirely unreasonable response.
Meanwhile, somewhere in Cambridge....
Yeah you didn't really think that one through, did you now.....
Well I'd hate to see that happen I would be just heart broken. [rolleyes]
Exploration data is by far the most valuable data in game and credit for credit, most impact on BGS
Yes, of course I enjoyed the exploration and the collecting of the data. That doesn't diminish the loss when you do something stupid (like I did, or the OP here did - though at least it wasn't entirely the OP's fault here
Cool, I'm glad you had fun! And I never meant to say that it doesn't suck to die. Everything else would be weird indeed. If anything I feel death has too little of a consequence in this game, but that's another topic.