Modes Can we get more players into Open Play?
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Don't try recommending challenge or indeed enjoyment to people around here. It gets taken badly.
Presumably if people enjoyed it, they'd do it...
Not everybody enjoys the same things, but trying to tell that to people around here gets taken badly.
That would be fine if trying to develop what you like didn't get taken badly. But that's not for us to shove in OP's face. We'll give him time for the cynicism to set in naturally.
Excellent attitude OP.
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Don't try recommending challenge or indeed enjoyment to people around here. It gets taken badly.
I find that dealing with the miscreants of Open to be neither a 'challenge' nor 'enjoyment' Sir. Heck, I can only tolerate Mobius PvE for short periods.
I find that dealing with the miscreants of Open to be neither a 'challenge' nor 'enjoyment' Sir. Heck, I can only tolerate Mobius PvE for short periods.
If being alone or general tranquility is your thing, or you like to play pretend PvP via BGS manipulation, then by all means be alone
If challenge or excitement or interaction is your thing, head to Open.
Glad that's sorted. Now, can we fix PP without offending solo players...?
*dodges thrown shoes*
Heh.
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Very well stated. Losing a 17 million rebuy to a ganker in a shieldless sidey who deliberately rams my Conda isn't in the cards for me.
Of the nine rebuys I've endured, on one of my accounts, five of them were caused by players. Examples: T-7 full of uranium for a CG, interdicted and blown up by a Vulture, no comms or demands. My Clean Viper Mk III was returning from three recovery missions with cargo in hold after a two hour game session. Dropped into station instance and a Clipper lit me up just outside the No Fire Zone. The rest were similar.
I still play in Open on occasion, but typically select Mobius when booting my game up. Giving lulz to some kiddie with a fire button gets old fast.
While I'm encouraged with the new C&P system, no system will ever stop ganking completely. Nice to have the PG alternative.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of the choices of mode play. Whatever your bag is, you make your choice and you do it.
I can understand why some opt out for solo or group mode.
Currently, there is one individual on console who is admitting that likes to invite players to party chat, kidding around with them, talking about ED and such, then getting both to load up on cargo, and then when they are heading out, he guns them down while barking at them that they are a "space noob" (among other things).
So, yeah, I can understand why some opt out for solo or group mode.
I can understand why some opt out for solo or group mode.
Currently, there is one individual on console who is admitting that likes to invite players to party chat, kidding around with them, talking about ED and such, then getting both to load up on cargo, and then when they are heading out, he guns them down while barking at them that they are a "space noob" (among other things).
So, yeah, I can understand why some opt out for solo or group mode.
Yes, he said he enjoyed playing open, and asked why others didn't... People responded with why they did or didn't. Some even suggested places he might find more company if that's what he is looking for.
Again, just because he enjoys human company in a computer game doesn't mean that everybody else should too. It's not (IMHO) any more cynical to want to play a computer game on your own than it is to suggest that not playing with others provides no challenge or fun.
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Don't try recommending challenge or indeed enjoyment to people around here. It gets taken badly.
Can I ask an honest question Stitch. Do you enjoy being beaten repeatedly in PVP?
As a wise man once said: Eh?
And that's cool. There's a deeper discussion to be had around progressing the game, but not here.
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Well I am just postulating. You seem to be projecting that other people should enjoy the game in the way that you do.
So I ask again, can you think of a time, in any game for that matter, where you have been in repeated PVP engagements and lost over and over?
Genuinely not having a go, just trying to understand your mindset is all.
The great thing about Elite is that it does have different modes.
I am by choice an Open only player, but can completely understand the mindset of people who just want to play the game in Solo or PvE group.
I find the challenge in avoiding and outwitting "gankers" at CGs and popular spots fun. Sometimes they get me, but experience has taught me to look for suspicious activity. Win or lose it's fun.
I very rarely get cross if I lose a ship. The most intense session for me was flying back my shieldless Hauler after a trip to Sgr A*, in Open to a CG to deliver exploration data. As a fairly casual player, that trip took me around a year in Real Time due to kids, life etc. I think my hands shook from about 2kylies out. Landing on a pad and offloading the data was such a relief, a great gaming moment.
Easier macro like text message to be sent locally might help with the comms, but most people in Open are silent, but then I don't talk to other drivers on the road...
Plenty of groups and discords to join if groupwork is your thing, solo mode if it ain't.
Good hunting CMDRS 07.
I am by choice an Open only player, but can completely understand the mindset of people who just want to play the game in Solo or PvE group.
I find the challenge in avoiding and outwitting "gankers" at CGs and popular spots fun. Sometimes they get me, but experience has taught me to look for suspicious activity. Win or lose it's fun.
I very rarely get cross if I lose a ship. The most intense session for me was flying back my shieldless Hauler after a trip to Sgr A*, in Open to a CG to deliver exploration data. As a fairly casual player, that trip took me around a year in Real Time due to kids, life etc. I think my hands shook from about 2kylies out. Landing on a pad and offloading the data was such a relief, a great gaming moment.
Easier macro like text message to be sent locally might help with the comms, but most people in Open are silent, but then I don't talk to other drivers on the road...
Plenty of groups and discords to join if groupwork is your thing, solo mode if it ain't.
Good hunting CMDRS 07.
It was a speculative not honest question if you didn't know the cause, and at that a frankly poor attenpt to be sassy, but I will bite.
In sum I tried approaching this forum constructively but found various groups to be conversely intransigent and/or selfish. So now I talk about things I like, and fire my own sass from the sidelines
I think it is worth at least trying to paint open in a better light - and let's face it, it's not THAT bad - because I think space ideally would have the whole mix of things going on, people playing both antagonistically AND co-operatively all in equal measure and in the shared space. Otherwsie, (9/10) open becomes a PvP arena and 9/10 Mobius becomes the co-op exclusively.
One thing you can say ofc is - if ED did have a high difficulty mode open would be it, because you don't know what you're going to get and some of the PvP pilots + their ships represent the type of opponent that no dev in their right mind would ever put into AI probably.
We get the choice and that's cool, though it is stil a bit of a shame if people gravitate away from open I think. I've always thought over time open will settle down - and I think it has actually - where basic rules of engagement eventually evolve .. but let's say it doesn't and it's forever the wild west - no true Klingon would be seen dead, in any other mode than open, surely?
One thing you can say ofc is - if ED did have a high difficulty mode open would be it, because you don't know what you're going to get and some of the PvP pilots + their ships represent the type of opponent that no dev in their right mind would ever put into AI probably.
We get the choice and that's cool, though it is stil a bit of a shame if people gravitate away from open I think. I've always thought over time open will settle down - and I think it has actually - where basic rules of engagement eventually evolve .. but let's say it doesn't and it's forever the wild west - no true Klingon would be seen dead, in any other mode than open, surely?
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If being alone or general tranquility is your thing, or you like to play pretend PvP via BGS manipulation, then by all means be alone
If challenge or excitement or interaction is your thing, head to Open.
Glad that's sorted. Now, can we fix PP without offending solo players...?
*dodges thrown shoes*
Heh.
Exactly my thoughts. What would happen if Open was the only mode available?
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As a wise man once said :If at first you dont succeed; Try Try again.
(Says a Viper mk4 pilot who repeadetly owns Full Meta built FDL's)
The answer varies depending whether you want to know how it would play oit developed so from the start or if we made the change now.
Developed from the start it could have been done well, and FD could have utilised spawn locations more intelligently to space players out physically. The real change would be that, in sum, ED would be dynamic. A PP contest wouldn't be "who can haul most? Let's find out in a week!" but "oh crud this system is barricaded; how do I get around that? Do I mod myself for SR? Speed? Fight back?"
Right now it would damage the game. The current incarnation is too entrenched and would cause too much backlash.
FD's crowning failure was prolly deciding against offline mode. The notion was that "all players are tied into a living universe" but by the nature of online solo we AREN'T tied together. Solo players complained about being online, but now you cannot so much as recommend a change to BGS effect without starting a fire.
From here they should simply realise you can make changes that contribute to open and solo players in their own ways, without it being classed as discrimination or hurting people's playstyles.
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The only issue I have with the different modes right now is BGS. You could have enemies from another power/faction undermine you in solo and you can't do anything about it. Everything else is up to the player but the BGS is very annoying. I think they should look into it. Again please stay your pitchforks and realize that this is just a small human's opinion about an in-game mechanic.