Canyon Racers, do not despair

[DemiserofD]

Height, scale, variation, complexity, spires, gullies, proc gen etc, preferably flying with others at silly speeds, in highly engineered, agile ships with plenty of rebuy credits.

To experience it, is to know the difference.

I can only say you should explore odyssey more. I've found all that and more. Canyons? Check. Spires? Check. Complexity? Check.

It took years to find the good canyons in Horizons, it stands to reason it will require similar effort to find them again in Odyssey.

Take this for example:

If there's one, it stands to reason there will be more. Just gotta hunt them down. Can't expect fdev to do everything for you.

 

[Gauntlet]

I can only say you should explore odyssey more. I've found all that and more. Canyons? Check. Spires? Check. Complexity? Check.

It took years to find the good canyons in Horizons, it stands to reason it will require similar effort to find them again in Odyssey.

Many of us have already, it would seem the tech just can't produce it, every potential candidate (and there have been many helpful explorers offering their finds) turns out to be mediocre at best or just plain dull.

It didn't take years though, the kind of terrain you saw in my vid is everywhere in Horizons, loads of low g moons have those features and the fact that Odyssey hasn't shown 1 good example in a year of looking demonstrates just how different the 2 planetary techs are

 

[Fizzatron]

Fdev tried this by 'hand crafting' a canyon onto Pomeche 2c (I think) after listening to requests, but in true Fdev style they didn't bother communicating with any of the racing/hooning groups and so royally fdeved that up anyway.

Ok, so Frontier listened, they offered an olive branch and got it thrown back in their face is how I'm reading that, especially if their company name is being used as a pejorative in that sentence. Makes me ask whether it really a correct statement to say that only Frontier can be the antagonist in these situations? Do y'all write letters to the bank that read "Darling Fascist Bully Boy, give me some more money you.."?

Had they asked for a list of favourite moons and were prepared to port at least some of them in that may have satisfied some pilots.

The above was a good start that missed the mark, was it said by Frontier that it was the above and that's it, or were they prepared to listen to alternatives? Has anyone tried to talk with them about it since?

All I would like for frontier to do now is maintain Horizons as is for the foreseeable future, if they can do that I'll resume spending ARX on shiny PJs

It's not going to happen, eventually Horizons is going to drop off the Horizon.

 

[Gauntlet]

Good 'ol Fizzatron, I knew I could count on you

 

[DemiserofD]

Many of us have already, it would seem the tech just can't produce it, every potential candidate (and there have been many helpful explorers offering their finds) turns out to be mediocre at best or just plain dull.

It didn't take years though, the kind of terrain you saw in my vid is everywhere in Horizons, loads of low g moons have those features and the fact that Odyssey hasn't shown 1 good example in a year of looking demonstrates just how different the 2 planetary techs are

Did you look at the picture I posted? Certainly seems to be pretty extreme to me. I can't even fit my ship in there.

 

[Gauntlet]

Did you look at the picture I posted? Certainly seems to be pretty extreme to me. I can't even fit my ship in there.

Can't tell much from that pic to be fair, post a vid flying amongst the terrain, that'll give us a better idea

 

[DemiserofD]

Can't tell much from that pic to be fair, post a vid flying amongst the terrain, that'll give us a better idea

It was just an example. You said no spires - spire. You said no extreme terrain - it's almost vertical and so close together a small ship can barely fit between them. Doesn't that naturally contradict your statement?

Sure, they might be rarer than in Horizons, but the planets in horizons were bizarre and unrealistic. You might need to look a bit harder, but that doesn't mean they don't exist at all.

 

[Gauntlet]

It was just an example. You said no spires - spire. You said no extreme terrain - it's almost vertical and so close together a small ship can barely fit between them. Doesn't that naturally contradict your statement?

Sure, they might be rarer than in Horizons, but the planets in horizons were bizarre and unrealistic. You might need to look a bit harder, but that doesn't mean they don't exist at all.

So no vid then?

This post suggests that deep canyons in Odyssey actually exist. This one seems one of the more well known, not exactly what canyon runners are looking for but 8km deep at least (Ariel in SOL):

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/nnnlde

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/nnnlde/thought_you_might_like_this_8km_deep_canyons_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Haha that cracked me up, thanks

 

[DemiserofD]

So no vid then?

Given that it's about 20kly behind me, no.

Seeing as even that screenshot completely disproves your claims about the limits of the new terrain gen, it's rapidly becoming clear that you haven't actually even bothered to look in Odyssey at all. Which is probably why your opinions are being completely disregarded, and with good reason. Why should anyone pay any attention to someone who clearly has no idea what they're talking about?

I'd be careful about that, if I were you. Makes it REAL easy to ignore anything you say.

 

[CMDR The Riz]

So no vid then?

I just recorded one on 25 Nu-2 Draconis 3 A, right around Pozandr Engineering Installation:

Source: https://youtu.be/T44Ja_YiPyw


Don't laugh - it was my first time doing this

Also - 25 Nu-2 Draconis 3 C is also like that. Stick around Stride Agricultural Center for some deep canyons.

 

[Unknown Zombie]

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[CMDR The Riz]

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The video is so fresh I forgot to take it out of the oven

Should be good now!

 

[CMDR Bao Bao]

Given that it's about 20kly behind me, no.

Seeing as even that screenshot completely disproves your claims about the limits of the new terrain gen, it's rapidly becoming clear that you haven't actually even bothered to look in Odyssey at all. Which is probably why your opinions are being completely disregarded, and with good reason. Why should anyone pay any attention to someone who clearly has no idea what they're talking about?

I'd be careful about that, if I were you. Makes it REAL easy to ignore anything you say.

Yikes. You’re putting no effort into listening and understanding but maximum effort into being rude and dismissing other people. It’s a bad look.

I don’t do this activity but I’m in a discord with people who do. They’ve done it every day for years. They know what they’re talking about. Showing up with no knowledge and trying to shout them down isn’t very helpful.

It like a professional snowboarder looked at a mountain and said “this isn’t going to work for a pro-snow boarding exhibition.” Then someone who has never snowboarded before snidely says, “there’s snow, there’s a mountain, you obviously haven’t even looked for a place to snowboard.” Then the pro says, “here’s a video of what pro snowboarding looks like and requires.” I’m only half way through this analogy but it’s too depressing to continue. People, amIright?

 

[DemiserofD]

Yikes. You’re putting no effort into listening and understanding but maximum effort into being rude and dismissing other people. It’s a bad look.

I don’t do this activity but I’m in a discord with people who do. They’ve done it every day for years. They know what they’re talking about. Showing up with no knowledge and trying to shout them down isn’t very helpful.

It like a professional snowboarder looked at a mountain and said “this isn’t going to work for a pro-snow boarding exhibition.” Then someone who has never snowboarded before snidely says, “there’s snow, there’s a mountain, you obviously haven’t even looked for a place to snowboard.” Then the pro says, “here’s a video of what pro snowboarding looks like and requires.” I’m only half way through this analogy but it’s too depressing to continue. People, amIright?

What more could I have done? I've asked multiple times for what makes the difference between what I posted and what they posted, and the only real answer they've given is something like, 'you can't define fun' and 'come fly with us and you'll see'. If they can't even put into words what they want, how can they expect fdev to deliver it?

It's funny you use that analogy; I actually am a double black diamond skier and run snow grooming machinery part of the year, and what it feels more like is when someone from a big 'professional' resort comes along sure they know what they're doing, come up with a bunch of silly requirements for a race, only to end up making things way more complicated than they need to be, don't account for the snow conditions and terrain as they actually are, and then they can't understand why the race goes to pot and everyone's complaining.

Sometimes, being part of a long-term establishment isn't a good thing. Sometimes it just makes you set in your ways and unwilling or unable to adjust or adapt, even to things that make no difference in a different scenario.

 

[Gauntlet]

Given that it's about 20kly behind me, no.

Seeing as even that screenshot completely disproves your claims about the limits of the new terrain gen, it's rapidly becoming clear that you haven't actually even bothered to look in Odyssey at all. Which is probably why your opinions are being completely disregarded, and with good reason. Why should anyone pay any attention to someone who clearly has no idea what they're talking about?

I'd be careful about that, if I were you. Makes it REAL easy to ignore anything you say.

Be my guest, the ignore function is right there on my profile pic, feel free to maintain your wilful ignorance

 

[DemiserofD]

Be my guest, the ignore function is right there on my profile pic, feel free to maintain your wilful ignorance

Hey man, I'm not talking about me. I've never ignored anyone in my life.

I'm talking about the people who actually matter, and who can actually make a difference. I'm reasonably experienced at this game and can play it pretty well. The devs, in general, are not; you just need to watch the weekly livestreams to see that.

If you can't even explain it in a way that makes sense to me, how can you hope for them to understand?

 

[Old Duck]

Did you look at the picture I posted? Certainly seems to be pretty extreme to me.

Extremely ugly, but that's the topic of a different thread; except that I'm with the OP in his request to keep that Odyssey planet tech out of my Horizons, please.

 

[MacIntoc]

but the planets in horizons were bizarre and unrealistic

Physics is violated in every stage of ED.
Accelerating ships have a speed limit in space and there is nothing to stop them from accelerating further. Worse, when you stop accelerating, they slow down.
There is no relativistic effect when approaching or exceeding C, no lensing effect due to speed.
Almost every stars are emitting white ligth after few ls away. Even burger boxes and drinks are sensitive to magnetic fields in outposts.
And you claim that some planets are unrealistic in EDH because they look weird for your taste ? Seriously ?

how can they expect fdev to deliver it?

Has anyone asked FDev to do anything to get what we got in Horizon ?

 

[AkenBosch]

@DemiserofD - TL;DR: Odyssey planet tech currently lacks the parameters (my opinion here, I think it's more an issue of defined input limits, than an actual lack of capability of the new tech) to generate canyons that are deep, narrow and intricate enough to make "hooning" the challenging activity it is expected to be.
Think of it like this: hooners like to run around places like Pikes Peak or the Nordschleife, but all there is to be found in Odyssey are speedways like Indianapolis and Talladega. Yes, they are also places to run around with a car and you can do things and have fun with them, but not the same things, not in the same ways.

 

[CardioTherapy]

Whilst your heart is definitely in the right place (and thanks!), and I'm really sorry to say it ... those are not raceworthy
They're literally massive, wide straight lines. You could hit boost, and go AFK for a beer.

This is pretty typical for Odyssey. Sorta shallowish, too wide and boring to fly in.

Edit: if you want to get into surface racing with ships; stick to Horizons for as long as you can.
Until it dies.

No worries. The real canyons will come with the full atmospheric planets in the next patch.