Carriers: Spacelegs implementation theory...

First you need to find a quote where i said that David said that they are working on space legs (meaning production has started). Not once have i said that, I even specifically said they never did, in the part you have quoted...

As for the quotes for my other claim (that there was no "but" or "if", just that we "WILL" be able to) and that they are taking their time to do it right)... there are quite a few videos where they say that but here is one of the top of my head (the most popular one)


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David Braben said (6 and a half year ago):

"Another example that we have built into the structure of the game. is um... ship interiors, now a lot of people have seen that we are designing all the ships with the interiors in mind, how the cargo is unloaded, all of that sort of thing, how damage occurs, and that`s because that another thing that we are doing, again down the line, is that you will be able to walk around inside your ship, you will be able to get out of your ship,walk around inside space stations, other vehicles, all of that sort of thing, we`ve shown the damage on ship, the damage models, imagine looking at that from inside the ship outwards seeing your cargo flying out into space, seeing the flames, trying to fight them.. umm.. all of those things that we plan with time. they won`t be there at the first release because we want to do them right, we want to do them well, all of these will be done as updates, I`ll talk some more about that in a second, but the point really is that we ant to do it well, but the game has to be structured in a way to allow it from the start so we are designing the ships so that they work that way, and so that when we come to do it, it`s not a problem, when we come to show all this elements, walking around the ship, walking into other people`s ships, potentially stealing them, we have got in mind, all of the things, all of the gameplay, the really rich gameplay, that that entails, and it`s... you know... to go back to what i`ve been saying right from the start of this Kickstarter, what is the game i want to play, this is the game i want to play, because actually in many ways it doesn`t feel like a game, it feels like a world that i`m being brought into, and with each of these subsequent updates we expect that that world will get richer and richer, and more and more of the things that we are excited about will be there, you WILL (with emphasis even) be able to walk around the space port, you will be able to see gold being loaded into someone else`s ship, you will be able to sneak in and hide amongst the cargo, all of those things are phenomenal gameplay opportunities, where that ship might actually be the ship of another player, so just think where that all ends, you know all of these things we need to do right, it would be very easy to do them very poorly, and that would be my fear, sothese things will not be there on day one.... "

Than he goes on about DDF... quite a laught in retrospect that part :D

All those things have been restated on various occasions. Only much later has Sandro made a backpedalling statement in the vain of "if we manage, if we get there"
Nice try. Note I never mentioned a quote. However, you certainly implied a firm statement had been made. Look at your post. But as expected, you nor anyone else can point to any fact or comment that FDev are in fact developing 'space legs'. It's simply wishful hope at this point.

This video you've linked to is actually a humorous(?) or perhaps sad reminder of just how much is missing in Elite today, and just how much was either hyped or falsely implied versus what has been delivered to date. But keep the hope up and maybe some of these ideas will eventually be implemented. But back to this thread: there is nothing factual to say there will be any sort of spacelegs due to the development of the carriers. Nothing. Only hopeful thoughts from the faithful.
 
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Feel free to post a reference of DB saying they are indeed working on spacelegs. We'll wait right here...

Does that count then?

DavidBraben said:
Yes. We have ongoing work on planets, including atmospheres, planetary life, walking about and lots of other very exciting things for the future.

Source

That was three(!) years ago. I guess development of those features must be pretty advanced by now.
 
Nice try. Note I never mentioned a quote. However, you certainly implied a firm statement had been made. Look at your post

I`ve read all my posts. And i see nothing of the sort.

to make it easier for you here are all my posts in this thread (except for the last one, because it is on this same page, and irrelevant)... please show exactly where I have "Implied a firm statement" that production of "space legs" has started.

So... am i getting this right....??? You are happy that despite all their previous claims about walking around and taking their time to do it right, what we might actually get is a simple lobby room on a carrier?

Nothing here as far as i can see... All i can see is me mentioning statements made by David and Co. and that I find it disturbing that someone might be excited that there is a possibility that after such long waiting period what we might get is not even 10% of what FD have described and something truly pointless lame and unattractive. The long wait we have to endure was supposedly to do it right, to make it a rich jawdropping new experience, not some failed EVE online lobby room

We are 5 years into the supposed 10 year plan (which is pure BeeS but let`s assume it`s not) with maybe 15-20% of oryginal design implemented... and you are glad that you can now hope that in 2020 we might get the most bare bones MVP first iteration of one of the many huge features needed to at least somewhat bring the game a bit closer to the vision drawn by David and the oryginal design team from the time when they were asking for money?

I wish I could be pleased that easily (not a sarcasm)... Please don`t tell me you have a lep.... you are kinda new here right? (just checked... you are not...)

Anyway... I`m sorry I`m kinda derailing your thread... I should have taken that to PM`s instead

Well... What we have here is just a broader explanation of the same statement that i made earlier, expanded of mentioning of other unrealised, and promised big features like for instance higher tier NPC`s, interactive crew members, damage states, tessalated cargo, market analysis tools etc.

Both were not directed at you, but the OP btw. But you decided to enter the discussion with this statement:

Umm... only if "their" means the fanbase / forum theory-crafting, wishes, imagination and bad rumors. FDev have never said they're working on spacelegs and taking their time to do it right. But I think you were being sarcastic anyway... :cool:

Frankly, FDev implementing a working lobby room is probably a stretch!

So In my oppinion your post was all wrong and misguided/mistargeted, based on ... well you probably just got triggered for some reason... I was not being sarcastic nor have I said that FD "are working on space legs" (as in: full production has started). Whether FD will or will not implement a simplistic "lobby-room like" version of "space legs" as described by OP is also irrelevant to what i said

Your implication that what I was talking about never came from FD but from Fanbase/forum theorycrafting was also wrong, and I have addressed that in my next post:

No."Their" means FD. They never said that they started production phase on space legs, that is true. But they, especially David, said on numerous occasions that we WILL (no iff, no but, just will) be able to walk around stations" and ships, and that we will be able to board them, possibly even steal them, and they have also stated that they are taking their time to do it right, that it would have had been easy to do it at that point in time (years ago) but they wanted it to be a rich experience and so on. They also claimed that everything is being built and developed with space legs in mind, so that they won`t have to change things when it comes (which was most probably Bee-S)

The claims of the fanbase... or simply fanboys is a different story and i don`t mix it with FD`s claims, I got burnt hard enough during original because I allowed themselves to believe them

And yet again... i don`t see it... This is just me explaining that your assumption about my post is wrong (just like it is this time) and why it is so. And I have further backed every word posted in this here post with direct quotes from david braben...

And now to addres the rest of your last post (the part about the video I quoted...
At this point I`m beginning to believe that despite me being a non native speaker it is you who has reading comprehension and general communication problems because again I don`t see the relevance of what you said to what i was saying all along. So the video is old, and the statements made by David haven`t been realised so far in game... well how does that make my previous post wrong? How is that any argument against my first statement?

Your short hit and run statements don`t help you in bringing your message forward, same as assumptions about peoples posts, so how about you now honestly say, what is your point, what are you trying to say? Because I just can`t follow your logic here

Does that count then?

"quote from David"

Source

That was three(!) years ago. I guess development of those features must be pretty advanced by now.

Thanks, I remember also hearing that one in some video of David, but don`t have a source at hand, so i decided early on not to bring this one up, but it might be helpfull in future discussions and i would like to add it to my "BrabensBS.txt". Do you only have that reddit quote or could you somehow point me to a video as well?
 
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Thanks, I remember also hearing that one in some video of David, but don`t have a source at hand, so i decided early on not to bring this one up, but it might be helpfull in future discussions and i would like to add it to my "BrabensBS.txt". Do you only have that reddit quote or could you somehow point me to a video as well?

Not sure which video, the quote was from an AMA on Reddit, so there's only the text quote.
 
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