Newcomer / Intro Cartography question

[cmdr lowest]

I'm guessing it'll turn out to simply be a station controlled by a commercial faction with the word "travel" in their name.


Currently showing 2 days 22 hours 59 minutes left on the clock.

I don't think I've much of a chance making it back.

I've also just had a quick shufty at the galaxy map and can no longer see the option to filter by cartography availability. It's either been removed or I am being thick and can't remember how I did it before.

Can anyone confirm?

 

[CMDR Nightjar]

cmdr lowest : no rush ... your data will probably cut my rewards
Travel safely (and enjoy)

 

[dat789bb]

Lets just test it. Will be a hoot to go and tell all the 'pros' on the main discussion thread. Pity possible discoverer doesn't have a catchy name. The 'dat789bb factor ' doesn't exactly trip off the tongue

i honestly can't recall which system, which station/dock I did that transaction. It is unfortunate that ED does not keep a history of travels (e.g. last 10 jumps).

Please, test it out and confirm what I have postulated here.

 

[Monsoon]

Since I don t have a screenshot in hand, try to imagine this: You are in the center of a rubicks cube
Now you can go to the top left corner in one jump but you can t go to the top right corner
They are both the same distance from where you are but there is no route to the right corner

I don t understand this at all
I thought exploration was just pointing at somewhere and going there but it seems that in order to go left you must go down for 20 jumps the right...this makes no sense to me

If someone could explain I would really appreciate because I don t understand. I know what dotted lines are but I don t understand what it also means when it says there is no route?
How could there be no route if I can see the star right next to where I am? Is it that the expanse of space there is non navigable?

most tutorials I can find on Youtube only show HOW to travel the map not why you have to go all around and do 20 jumps to get to the adjacent system and does not explain why even when you have enough fuel to do 6 jumps you can t get to that star that is virtually one jump away from you...i really don t understand the logic/lore

so thanks in advance

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here is an example: https://i.imgur.com/GEI8WZN.jpg
In that image, why can you not plot to go from DAHAN to AULIS assuming the distance to AULIS was the same as BOLG (not my screenshot so the distances are not proper this is for illustration only)
Its probably a bad example but that is what I mean by the star is virtually next door and you can t go there...

 

[DrakeAurum]

Since I don t have a screenshot in hand, try to imagine this: You are in the center of a rubicks cube
Now you can go to the top left corner in one jump but you can t go to the top right corner
They are both the same distance from where you are but there is no route to the right corner

I don t understand this at all
I thought exploration was just pointing at somewhere and going there but it seems that in order to go left you must go down for 20 jumps the right...this makes no sense to me

If someone could explain I would really appreciate because I don t understand. I know what dotted lines are but I don t understand what it also means when it says there is no route?
How could there be no route if I can see the star right next to where I am? Is it that the expanse of space there is non navigable?

most tutorials I can find on Youtube only show HOW to travel the map not why you have to go all around and do 20 jumps to get to the adjacent system and does not explain why even when you have enough fuel to do 6 jumps you can t get to that star that is virtually one jump away from you...i really don t understand the logic/lore

It's nothing arcane or mysterious - there are no trade routes, no systems you can't get to from a certain direction, it's simply a matter of jump range. If your jump range with your current cargo load is 6 light years, then you need a route that lets you travel in 'hops' of 6 or less light years. In the case of the above illustration, there quite simply isn't a convenient, short chain of such hops that leads to Aulis.

Once you can upgrade your Frameshift Drive to a slightly greater range per jump, you'll find far fewer such lost connections.

 

[Monsoon]

No you did not understand what I said
I asked the question when you drive DOES fit and is able to cover the exact same distance in a different direction
What do the trade routes have to do with the ability of the friendshipdrive/jumpdrive to be able to lock and go towards a star?

Look at the screen above, lets say that the distance towards BOLG is the same as the distance to AULIS...why can t you jump to AULIS (assuming you are in DAHAN)?
there IS a sytem in AULIS...hell you can get there from another route so if the jump range is the same than another star...what makes it that you can t plot a route?

 

[DrakeAurum]

There are a handful of restricted systems that you need a permit to access, like Sol. Aside from that, the situation you describe should not occur.

One more thing to try: In the Navigation tab, switch from Economical Routes to Fastest Routes.

 

[Torq]

Gotta love the lack of information in this game.

route unavailable......Why, who what when where? Who knows, but route unavailable. Sorry if this doesn't help, but frustration is boiling over at this point with the lack of available info to help new players learn the actual important things about this game.

 

[Undecided]

If someone could explain I would really appreciate because I don t understand. I know what dotted lines are but I don t understand what it also means when it says there is no route?
How could there be no route if I can see the star right next to where I am? Is it that the expanse of space there is non navigable?

most tutorials I can find on Youtube only show HOW to travel the map not why you have to go all around and do 20 jumps to get to the adjacent system and does not explain why even when you have enough fuel to do 6 jumps you can t get to that star that is virtually one jump away from you...i really don t understand the logic/lore

Dotted lines indicate you that you will not be able to make the jump with your current amount of fuel.
Also different jumps require different amount of fuel. The fuel required goes up exponentially for every unit of distance. You can read more here: http://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/30nx4u/the_hyperspace_fuel_equation_documented/

As for the image, I can't see very well, but you don't have the jump range to get to Aulis or Bolg. You can plot a route to Bolg because there is a star in between allowing you to make two shorter jumps. There is nothing in between you and Aulis so you would have to jump the whole 9.2 lightyears in one go.

 

[cmdr lowest]

No you did not understand what I said
I asked the question when you drive DOES fit and is able to cover the exact same distance in a different direction
What do the trade routes have to do with the ability of the friendshipdrive/jumpdrive to be able to lock and go towards a star?

Look at the screen above, lets say that the distance towards BOLG is the same as the distance to AULIS...why can t you jump to AULIS (assuming you are in DAHAN)?
there IS a sytem in AULIS...hell you can get there from another route so if the jump range is the same than another star...what makes it that you can t plot a route?

If you click/hover over Aulis it will tell you how far it is. If you can't make it in one jump with your current FSD drive range it will try to plot a course for you, like it has done here.

Upgrade your FSD.

 

[Dommarraa]

i honestly can't recall which system, which station/dock I did that transaction. It is unfortunate that ED does not keep a history of travels (e.g. last 10 jumps).

Please, test it out and confirm what I have postulated here.

The only 'travel company' I could find using Google was 'Geawenki Travel Commodities' (I know there are more), they too buy at normal rates. So unless I see some better information....

 

[dat789bb]

The only 'travel company' I could find using Google was 'Geawenki Travel Commodities' (I know there are more), they too buy at normal rates. So unless I see some better information....
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haha!
Tough luck, but oh well...
I did gain from it nevertheless. I'll keep this in mind when I've got more information.

 

[Monsoon]

Ok two follow up questions
It seems that there are two types of explorations in game, at least that is what it looks like to me
First one is personal exploration ie I jump to a star then scan it and voila I now have explored that star

The second one is actually discovery of stuff nobody has discovered before
I jump to a system where the system map is red then scan everything then I get the giant horn sound and now I can go and sell the discovery to a station 20 ly away

Now I wonder if that means that when I sell the date to a station ALL pilots get an update of their map showing the system? Is that how it works?
As for selling the data is there any difference where I sell the data or is the only difference the kind of scan I do ie if I do detailed planetary scan it is worth more?

Finally about personal explored space...is there a way to show on the galaxy map easily WHERE I have been?
I would love to see the places I have been as a different color for that system by just looking at the galaxy map or do you have to hover over each star?

 

[CrispyLeper]

Ok two follow up questions
It seems that there are two types of explorations in game, at least that is what it looks like to me
First one is personal exploration ie I jump to a star then scan it and voila I now have explored that star

The second one is actually discovery of stuff nobody has discovered before
I jump to a system where the system map is red then scan everything then I get the giant horn sound and now I can go and sell the discovery to a station 20 ly away

Now I wonder if that means that when I sell the date to a station ALL pilots get an update of their map showing the system? Is that how it works?
As for selling the data is there any difference where I sell the data or is the only difference the kind of scan I do ie if I do detailed planetary scan it is worth more?

Finally about personal explored space...is there a way to show on the galaxy map easily WHERE I have been?
I would love to see the places I have been as a different color for that system by just looking at the galaxy map or do you have to hover over each star?

Not two different types really. You need a Discovery scanner, which gives you the horn sound when activated, that maps bodies in the system (within range if not the advanced version). Once mapped you can then detail scan, by flying to and locking on, to actually 'discover' each body in turn. If you are the first to scan then you get the "discovered by" tag.
Using a detailed scanner gives additional credits per scan plus a bonus if it isn't previously 'discovered', indicated by a tag.
Different planet types are worth different values, lowest is icy/rocky planets. Ideally look for water worlds or earthlike planets.

When you sell data it is then available to buy by other commanders, possibly only if they are in the right station/faction(?) where you sold it.
The only way to know where you've been is if the system map is available, then you know that it is either a known system or one you've 'explored'.

I just note down systems I have visited which don't have any tags yet so I can bask in the glory of my name in lights , albeit by myself over a whiskey!

 

[Fen Harel]

I thought selling carto maps in stations that are "Travel company" are worth more. I have either seen the appreciation in profits in my maps at these type of economies, or the maps have increased in their value proportionally with distance.

As has been stated above, this seems unlikely. I would be delighted to be proved wrong.

Profits in exploration depend on object type, with a bonus if you used a detailed surface scanner, and another bonus if you are the first one to scan it with a DSS. There is a tiny bit of wiggle room based on planet type, but the other values are pretty well known.

The biggest uncertainty seems to be in how much exploration money you need to reach some of the higher ranks.

Obviously FDev knows all the answers, they simply don't want to tell. Presumably its because they want people to get together and figure it out. I have a feeling its also a question of resource allocation - they don't have the manpower to spend on documentation. But, that last bit is a guess.

 

[dat789bb]

As has been stated above, this seems unlikely. I would be delighted to be proved wrong.

Profits in exploration depend on object type, with a bonus if you used a detailed surface scanner, and another bonus if you are the first one to scan it with a DSS. There is a tiny bit of wiggle room based on planet type, but the other values are pretty well known.

The biggest uncertainty seems to be in how much exploration money you need to reach some of the higher ranks.

Obviously FDev knows all the answers, they simply don't want to tell. Presumably its because they want people to get together and figure it out. I have a feeling its also a question of resource allocation - they don't have the manpower to spend on documentation. But, that last bit is a guess.

I think your last paragraph is not relevant. Their documentations on the game's behaviours, scenarios, etc. are theirs to keep.

For the record, I am equipped with:
1. Detailed Surface Scanner
2. Intermediate Discovery Scanner

So, while all commanders who have been following this thread believes that profits from explorations are higher if sold in a travel company (whose economies are those of travel agent, travel industry, etc.) are unlike and would like to be proven wrong, I would like the same as well for what I have claimed here. It is unfortunate that ED does not keep a historic records of the systems you've been (e.g. last 10 systems) otherwise I'd be glad to provide you the precise details on where I've gained -- could have sold it for 80-something thousand credits, but sold it for around 110k cr in the said travel company.

I recognised that @Dommarraa has busted this myth following lack of evidence, but I am not totally convinced that that is the case.

One clue on where I have sold my carto data. A travel company and it is within 95ly radius of LHS 3447.

 

[Evyl Minkey]

One clue on where I have sold my carto data. A travel company and it is within 95ly radius of LHS 3447.

Lol. Thanks for the mysterious treasure hunt. I will keep looking for these systems so please, if you find it again come back and update us.

 

[Fen Harel]

One clue on where I have sold my carto data. A travel company and it is within 95ly radius of LHS 3447.

The claim that there is an advantage to finding one of these travel companies. Something no one else has commented on, as far as I can tell, would be shocking if true. It's up to you to prove it, its not up to the rest of us to try and disprove it.

 

[Monsoon]

So the data you sell to the game does not get sent as an 'update' to all players I guess. Each individual players needs to either explore themselves or by the system map

Then how does your galaxy map know that something was just discovered? Is that a background process not part of the game?
i.e if I discover something that was not on anybody's galaxy map and get back to a station and sell the map...does that update the other players galaxy map?
For example you discover planet X, sell the data...how does my computer knows that YOU just discovered and registered this planet if I don t dock anywhere?... probably more of a lore question at that point I guess

 

[Dommarraa]

So the data you sell to the game does not get sent as an 'update' to all players I guess. Each individual players needs to either explore themselves or by the system map

Then how does your galaxy map know that something was just discovered? Is that a background process not part of the game?
i.e if I discover something that was not on anybody's galaxy map and get back to a station and sell the map...does that update the other players galaxy map?
For example you discover planet X, sell the data...how does my computer knows that YOU just discovered and registered this planet if I don t dock anywhere?... probably more of a lore question at that point I guess

The tag is given to the 1st person to sell their scan at a station, not the first person to physically scan it.
Whether tags of others appear on your own private map of the system without you going back there I really dont know, nor can I think of a reason to care.