Change My Mind

[Sterling MH]

Well, shooting down bombers worked alright for the RAF.

That was in real life. No insurance and no rebuy screen. Also if you were caught you were treated IF YOU WERE LUCKY as a war prisoner. If not, just executed. Care to have that in the C&P?

 

[NY09]

Yeah this isnt an issue on console. Almost all games have a online multi player component that requires the subscription. I play on xbox and dont know anyone without it and have never met anyone without it. If they are voting with their wallet then they can afford the sub.

I know plenty of people who bought a console for single player games and Netflix etc, and don't want to pay the price of a full game every year just for the multiplayer online cretinfest experience.

Just because that is outside of your experience only speaks to the limits of your experience, and not reality. I think you misunderstood 'voting with their wallets', but unfortunately I don't supply 3rd party support for my comments.

 

[Jex =TE=]

I'll explain:

When you see a pledge carrying prep materials to an unwanted system, you challenge them. A way back in Antal we had a crazy bad prep that I flew out to investigate. It turns out it was a new guy in an Anaconda who I pointed to our Reddit and he came on board with us. 5C issue solved on that one.

But with my latest example, if we see someone prepping a bad system we would do the same. Challenge then kill. You are right in that it won't stop it all, but with regular patrols it would cut it right down, and cost real money and time to keep on doing it.

In Solo you can simply strip out everything, and the only limit is time travelling. If thats organised then it can rack up huge numbers. The Alliance reckon some use bots too, making a bad situation even worse.

In Open you can identify, strike or persuade. With the other changes in voting (so stupid preps are filtered out better) Open + changes = much less 5c. Plus, since we know commander names, we can then keep an eye out for them in future.

I'll be clear too: being beaten FAIRLY is great. Small powers don't expect an easy ride. Its rampant misuse of modes leading to game wrecking situations that we hate. Open goes a long way in sorting this out.

I think you're missing my point. A small power against a large power loses all the time in the long run. If you have 10 players and the other side has 1000, then it doesn't matter what game mode they're in - you simply can't compete, is that right?

 

[Sterling MH]

A chance to interact.

You can. Play on open and there are other people there.If you want guaranteed, use CQC. If you want like minded people you know well enough to organise together so you meet up in game, start a PG and go in it.

 

[Gully Foyle]

So just for the record, it's only powerplay that is going to be locked into open only. You can still trade/explore/grind the BGS in solo/private, but this discussion is only about powerplay.
I am not convinced that undermining/fortifying/preparing from within solo play is healthy for powerplay as a whole.

I whole heartedly agree with this statement.
Bigmaec is also correct.

 

[Jex =TE=]

So what happens then? PP goes to open, no one plays it, no seals from solo show up, no mass flocking to sign up from the cutter crew? Do you move it back or is it just a "You have it, we want it" type thing? Like you're divorced wife taking your Ferrari even though she can't drive and has no licence? I'm shocked this game is even alive with the amount of wedges thats drove into it on a monthly basis!

Apparently, the devs driving a wedge into their own player base is a good thing...

 

[Cheese Helmet]

I know plenty of people who bought a console for single player games and Netflix etc. Just because that is outside of your experience only speaks to the limits of your experience, and not reality. I think you misunderstood 'voting with their wallets', but unfortunately I don't supply 3rd party support for my comments.

No ive travelled quite a bit and met many people. If you can afford video games 9/10 times you can afford the subscription too. And if you cant afford the subscription you can exactly afford to vote with your wallet in any other meaningful capacity now can you? Seems you misunderstood my point.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

You can. Play on open and there are other people there.If you want guaranteed, use CQC. If you want like minded people you know well enough to organise together so you meet up in game, start a PG and go in it.

Dont need pgs. Open is there. And open only pp is the way to go as you already established since solo/pg players like you wont miss what you claim you want removed from the game anyway right?

 

[Jex =TE=]

You can connect to the internet with your console to use Netflix, get trophies, download updates, shop in the store, but to play multiplayer games, you need a subscription. For console players, Open, Private and CQC are behind this paywall, even though they do have a net connection.

For Elite, this means a connection to a cloud of sorts, that allows FD to have centralised servers for saves, missions, bgs etc etc, tying a dynamic galaxy to a single player game, whilst making updates and content more centralised and therefore cheaper/easier to manage. Conversely - no net connection, no game, which is a bit of a drawback, but not a show-stopper for a single player.

I pointed this out on another thread, and the comment received more rep than any other I have made. Whilst they are not very vocal here, the single player console players are out there, watching, and voting with their wallets.

So Solo players are not behind that paywall then - they can basically use the connection they have and play Solo without needing a double online subscription (I guess double since they already are online - weird)

 

[Lateralus]

A lot of players don't want their Fdev-approved chess board taken away it seems...

 

[Jex =TE=]

Whats so bad with the state of the game? Overall the game has improved greatly since its launch.

And this chanhe could be another block on that road to improvement. So if pp is the feature thats doing the worst in the game itself (cqc is its own thing) then it needs the most attention.

Plus its been more than long enough since pp has had a major update. The last major update about pp was the update that introduced pp.

What's so bad about the state of the game?

LMAO - that can't be a serious question.

 

[Rubbernuke]

I think you're missing my point. A small power against a large power loses all the time in the long run. If you have 10 players and the other side has 1000, then it doesn't matter what game mode they're in - you simply can't compete, is that right?

I think you are missing mine. Its OK to be beaten fairly, when you can see your enemy and that they are not in some extra-dimensional space attacking you. From the start small powers knew fighting larger ones would be difficult.

Archon Delaine fought the Pegasi Wars against the Imperial Powers though cunning and guile. They came out alive because everyone played by the rules and we could fight properly.

That was in real life. No insurance and no rebuy screen. Also if you were caught you were treated IF YOU WERE LUCKY as a war prisoner. If not, just executed. Care to have that in the C&P?

Yes, it will cost the 5C a lot of cash replacing Cutter after Cutter. After a while they would have to stop and make more money.

 

[Sterling MH]

No ive travelled quite a bit and met many people. If you can afford video games 9/10 times you can afford the subscription too.

I take it YOU can afford video games, right? So why not buy them the subscription? you can afford it, right?

Dont need pgs. Open is there.

Good. So you're fine with it all and everyone has the choice they like just as things are. So we can keep PP for all modes.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

What's so bad about the state of the game?

LMAO - that can't be a serious question.

No im dead serious. Obviously its not perfect but its far from a broken mess.

 

[verminstar]

I know plenty of people who bought a console for single player games and Netflix etc, and don't want to pay the price of a full game every year just for the multiplayer online cretinfest experience.

Just because that is outside of your experience only speaks to the limits of your experience, and not reality. I think you misunderstood 'voting with their wallets', but unfortunately I don't supply 3rd party support for my comments.

Then thats their choice and nothing at all to do with this topic. Much like cheese helmet, I dont know anyone who has a console and doesnt pay the subs...so either this supposed vast majority are a silent majority, or there aint that many of them in the first place.

Tarring the entire playerbase in multiplayer as a cretinfest speaks highly of your experience only...not the reality. Funny how that works both ways yes?

 

[Sterling MH]

No im dead serious. Obviously its not perfect but its far from a broken mess.

So you don't see any need to change PP's all modes status, then.

 

[Rubbernuke]

If that's happening then they aren't in solo, they have hacked your client. They can't attack you if they're in solo. Stop being such a pu55y.

Childish insults aside, they are using Solo and PG to gain advantage since they are playing in a mode that lacks the additional danger Open does (special weapons etc).

So I could say, who is the coward? Those who face up to actions, or those who hide from them?

 

[NY09]

So Solo players are not behind that paywall then - they can basically use the connection they have and play Solo without needing a double online subscription (I guess double since they already are online - weird)

Yep, that's it. It certainly is an unusual design decision, but it wasn't a terrible idea for FD to assume that single console players would have at least a net connection. I suppose what we have now is what you get when you try to marry a dynamic server managed environment to a single player game. A bit of a cluster****, tbh, but it kinda works enough to sell ED as single player on console.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

I take it YOU can afford video games, right? So why not buy them the subscription? you can afford it, right?



Good. So you're fine with it all and everyone has the choice they like just as things are. So we can keep PP for all modes.

Ive never met anyone that needs me to buy it for them. Or even seen it. Also its not my responsibility or even fdevs to worry about how microsoft or sony do business. When you buy a console you are aware of how it works. Its a decision made by the consumer. So they are responsible not fdev. Not me. Not anyons else.

And of course im not. You already said yoj dont want powerplay in solo/pg. No need to backtrack friend

 

[NY09]

Tarring the entire playerbase in multiplayer as a cretinfest speaks highly of your experience only...not the reality. Funny how that works both ways yes?

I think you're being incredibly dishonest if you're trying to gloss over the fact that online multiplayer gaming doesn't have a bit of a 'reputation'.

Perhaps you feel that FD should not have sold this as a single player game if you think that the single player base is less legitimate than open players. Maybe they should switch to open only and put you out of my misery.