Change My Mind

[NY09]

Yer tarring everyone with the same brush which I dont think is wrong, I know it is. I never once tried to say that multiplayer doesnt have undesirable characters, I merely said ye were gravely mistaken if ye think the whole of multiplayer is rotten to the core...its not in reality...but it is in your mind.

Ive been playing online games fer going on 30 years...so hows about a few examples from your extensive experience hmm?

Also...elite is not sold as a single player gaming experience. If thats why ye bought the game, then ye bought the wrong game Im afraid ^

This is what I mean about your dishonesty, it isn't in my mind, it is widely accepted that online multiplayer experiences are hive of toxicity. Unless you are unaware of this, of course, in which case you don't know what you don't know. Happily, a 5 sec Google search will mitigate your misunderstanding. Here's a random article to get you started, pay particular attention to the comments section:

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ers-destiny-solo-activision-grand-theft-forza


And you were playing a lot of good online games in 1988, were you? "How about a game of thermonuclear war?" Lmao! Nice one, Matthew Broderick.

Oh, and:

lol.

 

[True Phoenix]

Dude you like literally was saying opposite stuff. But when you got people posting actual arguments at you - you started backing so hard.
That you now say "let it die"

Plz stop. You start looking like my ex now

Bearded?

 

[Jex =TE=]

No im dead serious. Obviously its not perfect but its far from a broken mess.

OK well then let me try and point to a few broken messes

MC - From just about all who use it have reported how it barely works
Missions - Souless, boring, repetitive, easy
AI - too weak and easy
CQC - a disaster
PP - second only to CQC
Eng - Broken the game PVP wise according to PVP'ers. Other than that it's pointless upgrading.
Thargoids - Let's not open that can of worms shall we?
Mining - abysmal
Exploration - it would be nice to actually get something to go out and find after 4 years!

 

[Sterling MH]

Nothing. If they are chosing then theres no issue at all.

So they can choose whether the change goes ahead, right?

 

[Genus]

it is widely accepted that online multiplayer experiences are hive of toxicity

It's why I stopped playing EVE ten years ago, and to see this place go down the same route at half the speed.

Damn shame.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

OK well then let me try and point to a few broken messes

MC - From just about all who use it have reported how it barely works
Missions - Souless, boring, repetitive, easy
AI - too weak and easy
CQC - a disaster
PP - second only to CQC
Eng - Broken the game PVP wise according to PVP'ers. Other than that it's pointless upgrading.
Thargoids - Let's not open that can of worms shall we?
Mining - abysmal
Exploration - it would be nice to actually get something to go out and find after 4 years!

So if pp is second only to cqc and cqc isnt actually part of the main game, please explain how iy doesnt deserve dev time.

 

[OOF Waffe PR]

It will kill PP and achieve nothing other than revenge against those who won't play with you.

Change my mind.

Its dead atm, cannot be any worse. Open only PP should have been there 3 years ago, instead, its a lame grind competition in private modes and module shopping.

Absolute trash feature at its current state.

 

[Jex =TE=]

I guess the reason you are not banned still, despite having a non-stop tantrum for about 35 hours, is that everyone "Ignore user"d you...

No, the reason would be that until maybe his last post, he's been on point and using facts unlike yourself, with only a childish rant about banning users to add to the thread.

 

[verminstar]

This is what I mean about your dishonesty, it isn't in my mind, it is widely accepted that online multiplayer experiences are hive of toxicity. Unless you are unaware of this, of course, in which case you don't know what you don't know. Happily, a 5 sec Google search will mitigate your misunderstanding. Here's a random article to get you started, pay particular attention to the comments section:

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ers-destiny-solo-activision-grand-theft-forza


Playing a lot of good online games in 1988 were you? "How about a game of thermonuclear war?". Lmao!

Oh, and:




lol.

So yer not gonna supply any examples from yer own experience, just gonna spam what some daily rag writes about everyones favorite scapegoat and call that evidence?

Thats just laughable, it really is. In other words, yer just going by what others have said...ye dont actually have any actual experience to go on. That says all it needs to say about how seriously Im gonna take yer answers.

As fer gaming in yesteryear...started with quake and moved onto unreal tourny. There was no salt back then and even the bitterest of rivals were all good m8s in the lobby afterwards. It was only when counter strike emerged that the salt started, and most of that was down to the cheating.

But Im sure ye have newspapers to tell ye all ye wanna hear...whatever haha...

 

[OOF Waffe PR]

It's why I stopped playing EVE ten years ago, and to see this place go down the same route at half the speed.

Damn shame.

You have solo and PG in ED, you want to opt out of online play you opt out of all online play not just PvP. Enough with solo underminers from safety bubbles.

 

[Sterling MH]

You have solo and PG in ED,

You do too.

"you want to opt out of online play you opt out if all online play not just PvP"

Nope, that's not the game's ToS.

"Enough with solo underminers from safety bubbles. "

Good grief. There's no need for griefers online to ruin your day, they just have to PP in solo and watch you vent.

Its dead atm, cannot be any worse.

So we can leave it where it is. Because it cannot get worse by doing so.

Got it.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

So they can choose whether the change goes ahead, right?

Of course not. Thats up to the devs and the devs have expressed interest in making pp open only.

On console i can chose if i have access to only the campaign or the whole game on battlefield 4, ark, Destiny, elite dangerous, the list goes om and on.

And even in its current state you still need the subscription to use all elties features. Wings, and multicrew as examples. The devs dont build their game around sony's and microsofts business practices. Nor should they.

 

[verminstar]

Watching you venting is way more entertaining...

 

[Sterling MH]

So if pp is second only to cqc and cqc isnt actually part of the main game, please explain how iy doesnt deserve dev time.

So ask that they make CQC a part of the main game. you get something EXTRA and we will be REALLY nice and let you have it.

We don't need to see someone else robbed to feel better.

 

[OOF Waffe PR]

You do too.

"you want to opt out of online play you opt out if all online play not just PvP"

Nope, that's not the game's ToS.

"Enough with solo underminers from safety bubbles. "

Good grief. There's no need for griefers online to ruin your day, they just have to PP in solo and watch you vent.

No such thing as griefing in this game.

The TOS have nothing to do with OPEN only content.

Yes I also have PG and SOLO and thats why PP is a trash unused feature in this game. Everyone sit and undermine each other from solo. Exciting as watching paint dry or exploring.

 

[Jex =TE=]

Nope thats definitely a needed change to bring pp into line with its intended function.

Just because the game isnt falling apart doesn't mean changes arent warranted. Its a common sense adjustment by fdev. Glad to see they are aware of the need for the change.

Pp deserves the change and the game is in a spot where pp can be looked at.

Stop worrying about powerplay. You wont miss what you dont want and dont play.

The numbers of people playing over a 3 month period have dropped substantially and the decline is a trend overall with 2k online right now on steam. there's been about a 60% drop since 4th March so the TG's come and 3 months later, after years in the making, 60% drop off and you say the game isn't falling apart?

 

[Sterling MH]

Of course not. Thats up to the devs

OK, but then your post was pointless and you knew it at the time.

"devs have expressed interest in making pp open only. "
Nope. They asked people's opinion on it. The opinion is it sucks.


"On console i can chose ..."
To hide in console yet STILL get the full benefit of PP exclusivity. Your license on anything other than PC should be voided.

"And even in its current state you still need the subscription to use all elties features."

One you don't need it for is PP play.

 

[NY09]

It's why I stopped playing EVE ten years ago, and to see this place go down the same route at half the speed.

Damn shame.

It is a shame, and it is following the same predictable path. We already have SDC.

I used to enjoy online MP back in the Unreal/OpFlashpoint/Half-Life/Original CS days, but it went south pretty quickly. I tried EVE too maybe about 10 yeas ago - tech 2 was a thing then, but... ugh. LOTRO wasn't too bad but didn't hold my interest for very long. GTAO scarred my for life, as did any attempt at new CS or anything else for that matter. I've seen enough YT videos, articles and rageposts to know that the toxicity is pandemic.

 

[True Phoenix]

You already interact with the players that play in Open - so it's to force people to play with you, how mature. Or it's an experiment - wasting dev time - dev time that could go elsewhere. All because you want more people to shoot down or for a pointless experiment just to satisfy your curiosity?



It didn't though, did it? I thought that was Hitler being an idiot that saved us from losing all our RADAR and airfields.

Actually, it did. Stukas were withdrawn from the BoB quite early due to massive losses.

 

[OOF Waffe PR]

So ask that they make CQC a part of the main game. you get something EXTRA and we will be REALLY nice and let you have it.

We don't need to see someone else robbed to feel better.

CQC is 4 * 4km gladiator arena, that's not a war thats a joke.
What is needed for PP is a real war simulation not grind competition from within the safety bubbles.