Change My Mind

[SnowyNI]

Yer tarring everyone with the same brush which I dont think is wrong, I know it is. I never once tried to say that multiplayer doesnt have undesirable characters, I merely said ye were gravely mistaken if ye think the whole of multiplayer is rotten to the core...its not in reality...but it is in your mind.

Ive been playing online games fer going on 30 years...so hows about a few examples from your extensive experience hmm?

Also...elite is not sold as a single player gaming experience. If thats why ye bought the game, then ye bought the wrong game Im afraid ^

Multi player MUD or pong?

 

[Jex =TE=]

Go watch a GTAV Online YT vid. See how mppvp turns out if you let people loose on it.

You don't need to - just look at SDC and the Salome event.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

Cool! No, not kidding, happy for you.

So if it's a BETTER EXPERIENCE in Open PP, then you don't need to take solo/PG PP out. They have a worse experience.

Well i guess we need to make it open only so they wont be tortured any longer and will get the best op experience possible. I really like how much you are supporting the proposal of open only pp. Just remember you said

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it cannot get worse

So open only will only make it better!

 

[Sterling MH]

Nah I'll be playing in open, engaging in glorious PvP combat with enemy wings.

Good. And, agin, seriously. You enjoy Open. You get Open. So there's no reason to kick solo/PG down because THEY are getting a worse experience than you.

So open only will only make it better!

Nope. It will make it just as bad. With fewer people. And be theft from most of the userbase. So, FOR THE GAME, worse.

Well i guess we need to make it open only

Nah, make it non open. Then everyone is on equal footing: Nobody can hide in Open.

 

[verminstar]

Sorry dude, I don't care about your feelings, nor your praise, friendship or your reading of my comments. You're not an authority, I don't need to give evidence to meet your 'appeal to authority' logical fallacy (though I could, easily, because you are making an erroneous assumption, once again). You can't accept that you are wrong, you can't accept that my last post shot down every point you made, because your insulating psychology won't allow your fragile ego to be hurt, and I don't really care to try and figure out what ever the hell it is that you are going on about in the above post.

Also, that 'yer' colloquial affectation? Just no...

So instead of debating the point, yer gonna go the full ...fair enough. Actually yer answer already told me everything I need to know about ye...especially the last bit ^

 

[Cheese Helmet]

Indeed, but this is a red herring, a conflation fallacy, or possibly non sequitur.

This is about taking PP away from people, not game balancing.

And, remember, there's no remit for modes to be EQUAL:

Remind me again how pp being open only takes away from people. You still have your choice of game modes. Open would just be the choice to do powerplay. Nothing stopping you from making the choice. Youre just mad you cant have your cake and eat it too

 

[SnowyNI]

It's Powerplay. Anything they do to it has to be an improvement.

I think the only way to improve it would be to remove it completely!

 

[Rinzler o7o7o7]

So what happens then? PP goes to open, no one plays it, no seals from solo show up, no mass flocking to sign up from the cutter crew? Do you move it back or is it just a "You have it, we want it" type thing? Like you're divorced wife taking your Ferrari even though she can't drive and has no licence? I'm shocked this game is even alive with the amount of wedges thats drove into it on a monthly basis!

If people don't want to play powerplay when it's moved to open, then that's their problem. Just makes it easier for us to take their systems!

 

[Jex =TE=]

A little over-dramatized, but yes. Why should they leave it as is if it's not "fit for purpose" as you say?
Again, people need to provide specific arguments for why the powerplay gameplay is better with cross-mode play.
I don't expect FD to listen much to the "it's gamebreaking!" and "broken promises!" arguments.

Wait, what!??

When you make a change, at least in business and afaik, FDev is still a company and most companys require a reason for changing the current mode. You make a proposal and back it up with reasons why it needs to change.

And if they are doing that - ask yourself why PP? Why aren't they doing this for other, more important things? Let's have MORE beyond or MORE Thargoid stuff?

Let's make a simple chart

Do you want MORE

PP | Thargoid Content
PP | Exploration Content
PP | Much better Engineer rework
PP | Mining Content

 

[Rinzler o7o7o7]

I think you're missing my point. A small power against a large power loses all the time in the long run. If you have 10 players and the other side has 1000, then it doesn't matter what game mode they're in - you simply can't compete, is that right?

As an ex-SDC player, I can assure you from firsthand experience that quantity doesn't count nearly as much as quality during fights. The most important point here is that the option to fight is there, rather than forcing both sides to do competitive truck racing against each other invisibly.

 

[Ian Skippy]

It may help to read the whole post sleutelbos

I did, I just dot get it. Gankers dont care about pp, 'meek players' stay in Open. 'New Pvpers' wont attack people outside of pp. Either the idea turns out to not work, in which case pp languishes in obscurity. Or it does work, and it becomes a cool feature in Open.

The 'it will kill of Open' possibility just seems so far out there...

 

[Jex =TE=]

Fascinating!
So, there were 4 'types', one of them was the majority, 2 of them were minorities and the last was . . . what? Care to elaborate?
I enjoy learning new concepts and words.

A Majonomy?

 

[Ian Skippy]

As an ex-SDC player, I can assure you from firsthand experience that quantity doesn't count nearly as much as quality during fights. The most important point here is that the option to fight is there, rather than forcing both sides to do competitive truck racing against each other invisibly.

This. No small power minds the challenge. Its the complete removal to fight back that is the problem.

 

[Sterling MH]

Remind me again how pp being open only takes away from people.

They have it now. they won't have it when it changes.

This is not rocket science. Not even mud pie science.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

Wait, what!??

When you make a change, at least in business and afaik, FDev is still a company and most companys require a reason for changing the current mode. You make a proposal and back it up with reasons why it needs to change.

And if they are doing that - ask yourself why PP? Why aren't they doing this for other, more important things? Let's have MORE beyond or MORE Thargoid stuff?

Let's make a simple chart

Do you want MORE

PP | Thargoid Content
PP | Exploration Content
PP | Much better Engineer rework
PP | Mining Content

They gave a reason. Its nit currently functioning as intended.

Theyve already acknowledged thargoid grind. .
Mining and exploration are on deck already.
Engineering isnt in a bad spot now. Its much better than it was.

You yourself said pp is only second to cqc on the list of crap. So its logical its getting attention.

 

[Rubbernuke]

You already interact with the players that play in Open - so it's to force people to play with you, how mature. Or it's an experiment - wasting dev time - dev time that could go elsewhere. All because you want more people to shoot down or for a pointless experiment just to satisfy your curiosity?



It didn't though, did it? I thought that was Hitler being an idiot that saved us from losing all our RADAR and airfields.

Well, did radar melt the bombers, or did machine-gun fire?

I suppose the RAF hauled tins of beans to France in 1944.

 

[Jex =TE=]

One things for sure, the Devs will be reading these threads so remember, if you're not making logical and factual points it'll put them off bothering.

So, PP staying the same then!

 

[Sterling MH]

The most important point here is that the option to fight is there,

Nope. that's the MOST IMPORTANT POINT for you. But there is more than you. You constitute 12% of the player base.

 

[NY09]

So instead of debating the point, yer gonna go the full ...fair enough. Actually yer answer already told me everything I need to know about ye...especially the last bit ^

To paraphrase the little Buddhist boy in the Matrix -

"Do not try to debate Verminstar's point, that's impossible. Instead, only try to realise the truth. There is no point."

 

[Cheese Helmet]

Theyll still have it. Pg and solo arent separate purchases from open.