Cheating in Elite Dangerous

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still doesn't prevent clients to read and write their pyhsical memory with spurious data that will be duly encrypted and transferred over your vpn. you just put a lock on the wall.
As it stands now, yes you are correct, but there are methods to protect memory from those types of insertions before being encrypted by the network connection. For a game, it would be unheard of, but for many corporations, it's done on a regular basis. I taught cyber warfare at a military academy and implemented standards which detected and prevented this form occuring.
 
I was also once a programmer back in the day, didn't have much of a clue then, even less now. But one thing I do remember is the easier something is to change, the greater the unexpected implications.

Everyone seem to have an opinion on if & how cheating can be prevented, but I guess only FD can know what is & isn't possible.

I'm fairly confident though, that if cheating can be prevented in ED then FD will sort it.


Edit :- meant to say well done for this thread ryan_m
 
first strike should have overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing, or you could be banning players for no reason. don't forget your connection and instancing can be flaky or erratic for several reasons. e.g. it can be difficult to appreciate on a youtube video if a shield is not getting damage due to a cheat or a lag spike. this is one other aspect of the chore problem: since frontier have no real control, it would all be about 'interpretation' of evidence.
Needless to say the proof needed to be favourably against the alleged offender. But it shouldnt be any different than a 3 strike solution, proof needed should be the same. I am for a 3 strike solution, just to have that said. It was more a "you are deliberately breaking the law/eula, with a tool you found (and potentially was looking for) outside the game that edits game files and gives illegal advantages" thus sentence, if proven to be right, should be swift

EDIT: a youtube video or any other player forwarde evidence should always be treated as to point FD in the direction of potentially opening an investigation, in my opinion.
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I have so many sources where to get hack for this game, maybe in the future I will create one but now I don't wanna use it, I wish to complete this game with legit ways.
No exploits No hack's No cheats
Discord: Shine#1997 questions about hacking only !
 
As it stands now, yes you are correct, but there are methods to protect memory from those types of insertions before being encrypted by the network connection. For a game, it would be unheard of, but for many corporations, it's done on a regular basis. I taught cyber warfare at a military academy and implemented standards which detected and prevented this form occuring.
yeah, well, this is the aim of consoles. while not invulnerable they still make access a lot harder. pc is definitely the wild west still. that's the dream of 'trusted platforms' and of course they have their use cases.

from a 'military' perspective, look at it like this: why would you bother keeping sensible information safe in enemy territory? it's shouldn't be there in the first place.

an example: it's ok if your client knows your shield strenght. it has to, at the very least to give visual feedback. it is NOT OK for your client to DEFINE your shield strength. this is nonsense, however you encrypt it. there must be a trustable source of truth. the only practical way to guarrantee that is to monopolize access to it. id est, on a server, not behind enemy lines. there it's control is lost already no matter how many times over you encrypt it.
 
You get caught with a card in your lap once, and it's over. You don't find cash games after that.

Altering the client should be a hard-ban offence.
Yup. 100%

In the meantime, I don't see how people can PVP anymore. PVP is essentially dead now. Granted I don't think I've ever fought anyone who cheated, but I don't PVP that often. I do however play Open only, which is now a mode that has been entirely tainted & corrupted in my view by this news. I play Open Only for the possibility of PVP, and I have ZERO interest in any other mode of the game. So what is left for me? Idk.
 
Solo-banning doesn't solve the issue of the effects on the BGS from cheats. It just takes the cheat out of Open play, hardly a punishment. We gamers can spout outrage, and demand punishments, but Developers have to deal with usable proof, and real life legal matters. I am all for pointing cheats and hacks out to FD, but after that it has to be out of our hands. We cannot expect some satisfying result that gives us the warm feelies.

What would be a real punishment would be to remove the chance of gaining rewards/advancement in the game. Anyone who is caught hacking/cheating should just be a ghost. They could fly around, but have no impact. No damage to PC's or NPC's. No ability to take or complete missions. Nothing. The '5 for 1' cheat was bad enough. This state could be for a duration based on the offense, or it could be permanent based on the severity/frequency of the offense.
It's my understanding that shadowbans put you in a server that's not on the same BGS. Sounds like something I would pay for.
 
pm me your bank account and i'll sort it for you asap. i'll send you an exclusive ready made executable which will disable all modes except solo. please install as administrator.
People who want to play in Solo don't trust other people so they certainly would never give out their bank account information.
 
What about legitimate head scratching PvP where hacks aren't possible, like on the consoles for example?

I've fired five Plasma shots multiple times into a Krait with a biweave shield sporting a total of 700MJ's, yet despite the absolute damage values amounting to far more than this, the shield still sits relatively unharmed. Four pips to sys can supplement this value, but still...🤔

A FDL can legitimately fly with over 4000/5000MJ's of total shield strength, so it would take a hell of a lot more precise strikes from even five Plasma for this to become evidently effective against the shield of the FDL. One might reckon this is too odd to ignore, but sometimes the fact a fight is drawn out and fast paced brings recharging and efficiency of each shot based on how well they land into play.

But who knows, right?
 
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