cheftian canopy

[gribley]

If you're going fighting wouldn't you have module and hull reinforcements ?

ako and myself are in the same group and fly as each others wing-man on a very regular basis.
i cannot emphasis how engineered those sips are. apart from an interdictor that ship is all modules and hull reinforcement.

as stated many many times the ships issue is that the canopy blows-out regardless of how module reinforced the damn thing is.

 

[OnTheMinute]

I clicked on this discussion thinking it was totally going to be about how scratchy the glass is. It looks like someone used coarse sand paper on it.

 

[Ziljan]

I've been getting used as a foot ball in San Tu for a week now, still haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary with the canopy. Tbh, the canopy seems WAY better than the FdL.

Fake news. I put a single C4 MRP in my FDL and have had the canopy last until 0% hull. When I put the same MRP on my Chieftain, the canopy never lasts beyond 85% hull.

 

[gribley]

I clicked on this discussion thinking it was totally going to be about how scratchy the glass is. It looks like someone used coarse sand paper on it.

if we wanna get really in depth how about the fact that the interdiction is broken and shows the target as being quite a bit lower then it truly is.
or maybe that the pilots chair is seated far too low making it really awful to aim.

the chieftain is plagued with problems, IMO the canopy having the integrity of a tobacco lobbyist is the biggest deal breaker.

 

[verminstar]

Brilliant wee ship fer mission running and mat farming and fer combat...lost the canopy a couple times but I sorta got the snot kicked outta me at the time and rightly deserved a few scratches and earned the right to try and dock while listening to meself breathing.

Yes I have lost the canopy a few times, but never when I was above 30% hull so I assumed it was normal and just unfortunate battle damage. Honestly no worse than an aspX and those things have a mixed opinion too when it comes to losing canopies. Chief is a tough wee nut and fun to use and honestly, while its prone to sometimes losing the glass, other ships are worse fer it and not all of them were made by lakon. Ive lost the canopy more times on the clipper than I have on the chief and that too is a very capable ship...if ye know how to use it properly.

Maybe Im weird but occasionally losing the canopy sorta adds fer me...that fact I won and lived to tell the tale at all gives its a little edge when ye touch down on the pad with mere seconds left. Too much and itd be a problem and a few times here and there aint a problem, its just right fer me ^

 

[gribley]

Brilliant wee ship fer mission running and mat farming and fer combat...lost the canopy a couple times but I sorta got the snot kicked outta me at the time and rightly deserved a few scratches and earned the right to try and dock while listening to meself breathing.

Yes I have lost the canopy a few times, but never when I was above 30% hull so I assumed it was normal and just unfortunate battle damage. Honestly no worse than an aspX and those things have a mixed opinion too when it comes to losing canopies. Chief is a tough wee nut and fun to use and honestly, while its prone to sometimes losing the glass, other ships are worse fer it and not all of them were made by lakon. Ive lost the canopy more times on the clipper than I have on the chief and that too is a very capable ship...if ye know how to use it properly.

Maybe Im weird but occasionally losing the canopy sorta adds fer me...that fact I won and lived to tell the tale at all gives its a little edge when ye touch down on the pad with mere seconds left. Too much and itd be a problem and a few times here and there aint a problem, its just right fer me ^

do you PVE or pvp?
in pvp the shipse often contain nothing but MRP's HRP's and an interdictor. all top engineered, so your %50 hull is probably our %90 hull.

also you need to acount got the kind of damage. lasers dont really do much, and missiles you are running from wont generally hit canopy. but PA's rails and multis, they will do the trick.

 

[verminstar]

do you PVE or pvp?
in pvp the shipse often contain nothing but MRP's HRP's and an interdictor. all top engineered, so your %50 hull is probably our %90 hull.

also you need to acount got the kind of damage. lasers dont really do much, and missiles you are running from wont generally hit canopy. but PA's rails and multis, they will do the trick.

Ah pve only fer me, I dont have the patience fer what passes fer pvp in this game ^

 

[gribley]

Ah pve only fer me, I dont have the patience fer what passes fer pvp in this game ^

so basically i only ever lost a canopy twice in PvE, in over 1220 hours of gameplay. it was against a anaconda in an engineered vulture with %15 hull when i was just starting out and in a fully PvP engineered chief.

in PvE canopy blowouts as a general rule (ymmv) only happen to the extremely unlucky just prior to death. the fact it pops with alarming regularity in PvE is pretty shocking

 

[jasonbarron]

Fake news. I put a single C4 MRP in my FDL and have had the canopy last until 0% hull. When I put the same MRP on my Chieftain, the canopy never lasts beyond 85% hull.

Saying "fake news" means that I'm not accurately reporting my findings. Up until today, I've had roughly 50 engagements (probably a lot more but I lost count) in San Tu, including a number of destruction's as well as scenarios where I fought on for quite a while past the point where my hull was in the teens, and only saw 3 canopy failures that happened when I was very low on hull. Thats just a straight up fact; I've fought a bunch over the last few days and have had few problems...until today. A few minutes ago I was dueling CMDR Antidotul and my canopy popped at 99% hull. First time I've seen it, and I really suspect that its a bug, not a feature.

 

[verminstar]

so basically i only ever lost a canopy twice in PvE, in over 1220 hours of gameplay. it was against a anaconda in an engineered vulture with %15 hull when i was just starting out and in a fully PvP engineered chief.

in PvE canopy blowouts as a general rule (ymmv) only happen to the extremely unlucky just prior to death. the fact it pops with alarming regularity in PvE is pretty shocking

The term fully engineered doesnt apply to me...its a very slow work in progress considering I ignored them entirely since they were introduced and only started using them relatively recently. Never did any combat at all actually...am now but I do things differently than others and Im fairly lazy in game after a total of about 3.5k hours over two accounts on pc and xbone.

Losing canopies is rare but not unheard of...like I said a couple times certainly but thats spread out over a fair bit of time using it. Since it went live, I spent the first week using nothing else and running missions Id normally use a conda for and its only partially engineered so far.

But yes it does pop the canopy a bit more than just the very odd time right before death...Ive finished more than one fight with no canopy at all. Fer me personally its not a huge issue even though its certainly in the top 3 worst ships fer it and the chief is the most combat orientated of the 3...and the most fun to fly which is perhaps why its easier to overlook.

Ill concede that not everyone appreciates the experience of what its like to function and survive with no canopy and be reminded that an A rated life support was more than just a pretty face. If it was just the very odd once in a blue moon sorta deal, then brilliant...but yeah...it has popped several times now...but Im weird in little ways sometimes ^

 

[gribley]

The term fully engineered doesnt apply to me...its a very slow work in progress considering I ignored them entirely since they were introduced and only started using them relatively recently. Never did any combat at all actually...am now but I do things differently than others and Im fairly lazy in game after a total of about 3.5k hours over two accounts on pc and xbone.

Losing canopies is rare but not unheard of...like I said a couple times certainly but thats spread out over a fair bit of time using it. Since it went live, I spent the first week using nothing else and running missions Id normally use a conda for and its only partially engineered so far.

But yes it does pop the canopy a bit more than just the very odd time right before death...Ive finished more than one fight with no canopy at all. Fer me personally its not a huge issue even though its certainly in the top 3 worst ships fer it and the chief is the most combat orientated of the 3...and the most fun to fly which is perhaps why its easier to overlook.

Ill concede that not everyone appreciates the experience of what its like to function and survive with no canopy and be reminded that an A rated life support was more than just a pretty face. If it was just the very odd once in a blue moon sorta deal, then brilliant...but yeah...it has popped several times now...but Im weird in little ways sometimes ^

life support is a nul issue with PA's.
arranged duels (the type myself and many PvP'ers do mostly) is almost always a fight to the death, so a canopy pop is fatal to any chance of survival or victory because you cannot target your opponent and see the leading reticule.

sure PvP hub allows GG's, but its still a total loss. and with 9 billion credits i cont care a toss about the rebuy. i want a good fight to the death and in my opinion i would take a los to hull explosion over a win by canopy pop. at least the first way i get a proper full fight with a skill dependent result.

IMO canopy pops deprive the pilots of a settled result. where they get to win or lose by their skill, as opposed to nigh on unmitigatable ship flaws.

 

[verminstar]

life support is a nul issue with PA's.
arranged duels (the type myself and many PvP'ers do mostly) is almost always a fight to the death, so a canopy pop is fatal to any chance of survival or victory because you cannot target your opponent and see the leading reticule.

sure PvP hub allows GG's, but its still a total loss. and with 9 billion credits i cont care a toss about the rebuy. i want a good fight to the death and in my opinion i would take a los to hull explosion over a win by canopy pop. at least the first way i get a proper full fight with a skill dependent result.

IMO canopy pops deprive the pilots of a settled result. where they get to win or lose by their skill, as opposed to nigh on unmitigatable ship flaws.

Thats the difference...the perspective. To me, a canopy popping adds to the dreaded immersion, especially if I live to tell the tale. As fer pvp, well thats just not my thing...requires one to unlock all the engineers and so far in all my time, Ive only managed to unlock some of them before getting bored and distracted. In short...its more hassle than I can be bothered with so I make do with what I have...Im really not into the whole min/max stuff...too laid back and lazy fer me own good ^

 

[Dural]

In some ways it's good that all things have certain weaknesses, having something which is the best at everything in its class relegates all the other things. If there is a way to fight ships in the chieftain without the canopy eventually shattering I have no idea what it is. Every. Time. Sometimes on the first thing I am fighting against. That said I don't know how to do the FA off flip round thing but am boost turning about all over the place avoiding having a whose shields are better contest where poss. Other than the canopy weakness it's superb IMLE and probably wouldn't use anything else for general stuff not requiring a lot of cargo space but have got a bit bored with the repeated repairs so back in the FDL for a bit.

 

[Angus]

That's not what I got from the OP. I'm not going to have some biased goon come and tell me I can't comment. Read it, use it, or don't. Please yourself, just don't try and edit me.

Yeah, baby!

 

[Lily from anim.o.v.e]

now come on mate. im really keen to learn your skills. if you are so certain that evasion is the key to not getting your canopy blown out i am keen to see you show me how you intend to apply that in practice.

then go and rent a room (meet in open and pew pew each other) for the sake of testing it.

Thats the difference...the perspective. To me, a canopy popping adds to the dreaded immersion, especially if I live to tell the tale. As fer pvp, well thats just not my thing...requires one to unlock all the engineers and so far in all my time, Ive only managed to unlock some of them before getting bored and distracted. In short...its more hassle than I can be bothered with so I make do with what I have...Im really not into the whole min/max stuff...too laid back and lazy fer me own good ^

the canopy popping easir might even be a good thing for real pirates to finally have a chance to grab cargo and not people up accidently

 

[Darkslayer]

Big open canopies is why avoid both the Vulture and Asp (for combat) . Love em on Traders and explorers though.

 

[Daniel Cloudsifter]

Big open canopies is why avoid both the Vulture and Asp (for combat) . Love em on Traders and explorers though.

But both of those are far more open than the one on the Chieftain. Heck, the DBS has a more exposed canopy - not only is it glass all around (vs. Chieftain's glass on upper half) most of the surface area you see from the front is the cockpit. Yet we've had DBS pilots report that they've fought down to 1% hull and not lost their canopy and the Chieftain's goes down if you sneeze.

 

[Mohrgan]

But both of those are far more open than the one on the Chieftain. Heck, the DBS has a more exposed canopy - not only is it glass all around (vs. Chieftain's glass on upper half) most of the surface area you see from the front is the cockpit. Yet we've had DBS pilots report that they've fought down to 1% hull and not lost their canopy and the Chieftain's goes down if you sneeze.

I just fought 4 straight Deadly 'Conda's. My hull was down to 35%, two of my Pulse's were malfunctioning, but my Canopy was intact. Does that mean anything? I use Bi-Weave shields and two a Boosters. The last of the 'Conda's even got a head on ram in. Still Canopy at 100%. That's way more than a sneeze, even if it's just lowly old PvE.

 

[Daniel Cloudsifter]

I just fought 4 straight Deadly 'Conda's. My hull was down to 35%, two of my Pulse's were malfunctioning, but my Canopy was intact. Does that mean anything? I use Bi-Weave shields and two a Boosters. The last of the 'Conda's even got a head on ram in. Still Canopy at 100%. That's way more than a sneeze, even if it's just lowly old PvE.

Of course it counts.

I only do PVE as well and my Canopy has only cracked (very quickly) but not completely blown. However, a lot of players seem to be having it blow a lot sooner than on other ships.

I just want the Devs to check it and fix it, if necessary.

Perhaps I'll have time to fly mine more this weekend. Been too busy lately doing wing missions with friends (using my Cutter/Corvette) or planetary scan missions/engineering upgrades on ships.

 

[Mohrgan]

Of course it counts.

I only do PVE as well and my Canopy has only cracked (very quickly) but not completely blown. However, a lot of players seem to be having it blow a lot sooner than on other ships.

I just want the Devs to check it and fix it, if necessary.

Perhaps I'll have time to fly mine more this weekend. Been too busy lately doing wing missions with friends (using my Cutter/Corvette) or planetary scan missions/engineering upgrades on ships.

I thought I might be narrowing down the issues, a short time ago in this thread, to how MRP's are used. The OP uses one big MRP (D5), I use two mediums (D4). I asked about him testing that out, he had no interest. What is your compliment of MRPs?