Chris Roberts namedropping ED

[bummer6]

So I was watching the latest 10 For The Chairman when a guy asked if SC was gonna stay commited to their offline mode after ED cancelled theirs. So basically CIG is using the fact that FD cancelled offline mode to promote SC, which is kinda low in my opinion.

In another part of the episode CR talked about recoil in zero-G and stated that regular ballistic weapons wouldn't be able to push you backwards in zero-G because the bullet's mass is too low, but a weapon like a bazooka would potentially push you backwards... This makes no sense since a bazooka has no recoil, which you know if you know even the first thing about weapons. Also, I've fired a shotgun myself, and I have a hard time believing that it wouldn't be able to push you backwards in zero-G, even if it's just a little.

 

[Morlock5K]

Also, I've fired a shotgun myself, and I have a hard time believing that it wouldn't be able to push you backwards in zero-G, even if it's just a little.

Same here. Fired 2 different sizes and seen the result from a larger gauge one on my rather large fathers shoulder. A 12 gauge would definately have an effect!

 

[Alric]

In another part of the episode CR talked about recoil in zero-G and stated that regular ballistic weapons wouldn't be able to push you backwards in zero-G because the bullet's mass is too low, but a weapon like a bazooka would potentially push you backwards... This makes no sense since a bazooka has no recoil

Maybe when he said a weapon like a bazooka, he meant that in the future, spacemen use PIATs

 

[Toscaner]

if your product has a feature your competition doesn't have, it's just natural to use that feature to promote your stuff. i don't think that's low.

 

[Tyr07]

Technically if you fart in zero G, it will push you.

However the argument matches in the mass of the object that the bullet is fired from. If you have a ship that's 10,000,000 KG, and it's bullets are 20 KG slugs or something, you're not going to notice significant movement except in scientific studies / with the ship being completely stationary. The movement would be very gradual to build up, and any kind of thrust for a ship of that size would make it not noticable.

If you're looking at a person firing a weapon, absolutely a shotgun in zero g is going to have significant recoil to push you, if you were not standing on the ground with some sort of magnetic footing to hold you in place.
If you're thinking space battles in corridors with zero G, you likely have some sort of technology affixing you to the ground, therefore, no recoil throwing you back.

Depending on the type of 'bazooka' if it didn't have an exhaust behind it, it could imply force, but with the exhaust, then no, realistically it wouldn't push you much. Some thrust energy would be impacted on the launcher regardless so if you were free floating, yes, see 'fart pushes you' but yeah, there you have it.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

There was this thing about the A10 Warthog's 50mill nose gun. Tank Killer, yes. But apparently there was this story going round that you could only fire the thing in bursts as the recoil could actually slow you down to stall. I guess, ground hugging and creeping up on tanks you would probably be flying close to the envelope as it is...

 

[Shoklar]

So I was watching the latest 10 For The Chairman when a guy asked if SC was gonna stay commited to their offline mode after ED cancelled theirs. So basically CIG is using the fact that FD cancelled offline mode to promote SC, which is kinda low in my opinion.

In another part of the episode CR talked about recoil in zero-G and stated that regular ballistic weapons wouldn't be able to push you backwards in zero-G because the bullet's mass is too low, but a weapon like a bazooka would potentially push you backwards... This makes no sense since a bazooka has no recoil, which you know if you know even the first thing about weapons. Also, I've fired a shotgun myself, and I have a hard time believing that it wouldn't be able to push you backwards in zero-G, even if it's just a little.

Come on guys, let SC have 'something' that Elite dangerous hasn't got. I mean, I'd get lost in all of that instanced 200 system galaxy they have, and with all that 68mill or so budget and all... *grin*

Shok.

 

[EddyRockSteady]

There was this thing about the A10 Warthog's 50mill nose gun. Tank Killer, yes. But apparently there was this story going round that you could only fire the thing in bursts as the recoil could actually slow you down to stall. I guess, ground hugging and creeping up on tanks you would probably be flying close to the envelope as it is...

It's a myth.

 

[zamalek]

This makes no sense since a bazooka has no recoil

I guess it depends on how the exhaust of the bazooka is managed, but yeah, there is no inherent reason why it would have recoil.

I've fired a shotgun myself, and I have a hard time believing that it wouldn't be able to push you backwards in zero-G, even if it's just a little.

Indeed, negligible velocity is still velocity. It doesn't matter if you are in zero-G not. Recoil works exactly the same way on the surface of the planet as it would on the ISS. What does matter is air resistance and mechanical resistance (your reaction to the recoil), both of which are potentially viable in a ship.

 

[cDave]

Come on guys. The mass is of the projectile isn't nearly as important to recoil, as the velocity.

Kinetic Energy = 1/2 Mass * Velocity Squared

This stuff's not exactly rocket science.
...
hang on

 

[Jyve]

The speed of projectiles leaving even something as heavy as a Cobra, unless those weapons are in the cross center of gravity, it'd at least twist the ship out of alignment as you shoot, especially if only mounted one side of the vessel too.
Ok, not much weight, but the speed of them, shows there's a fair bit of energy put into them to get them coming out that fast, and thus a fair bit of push back. Hmm, in an airless environment, you'd think ball bearing sized ammo at higher velocities would be better than larger slower heavier projectiles as you'd not need to overcome drag an atmosphere would cause, and would explain why they can't hurt shields much.
But yeah, self propelled rockets aren't going to have much to them apart from the initial minor firing.
As to CR... meh, it's business. WoW players will probably point out we don't have Blood Elves or Paladins in this game and so it's not worth playing.

 

[Frank]

A lot of Kickstarters promised no DRM. I believe Chris Roberts was amongst them. If he promised an offline mode and he's keeping to his promise then I don't see this as "low" at all. In fact I'd say it was the opposite of "low".

Even if he is just capitalising on Frontier Development's fumble then I say good on him. I will be keeping my eye on his game.

 

[eeimben]

Its not just the mass but the mass times the change in velocity. Thats why even though a gun's cartridge shot or round doesn't weigh much, it has a high velocity change (or acceleration), hence the kickback. And as we all know, every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

In the case of a stationary Cobra (weighing say 400,000kg) firing a canon with a projectile mass of say 500kg with a muzzle velocity of 5000 m/s, then your ship will now have a new velocity of 0.8 m/s in the opposite direction. I assumed that the muzzle charge can accelerate the projectile from 0 to 5000 m/s in 10 milliseconds. As you can see, its a very small effect, but does exist.

 

[watto33]

Come on guys, let SC have 'something' that Elite dangerous hasn't got. I mean, I'd get lost in all of that instanced 200 system galaxy they have, and with all that 68mill or so budget and all... *grin*

Shok.

I'd prefer 200 hand crafted systems than 400 billion procedurally generated content which you'll never find anyone or anything particularly interesting

 

[Komemiute]

There was this thing about the A10 Warthog's 50mill nose gun. Tank Killer, yes. But apparently there was this story going round that you could only fire the thing in bursts as the recoil could actually slow you down to stall. I guess, ground hugging and creeping up on tanks you would probably be flying close to the envelope as it is...

Not quite correct. The 'Hawg (A 10) has a seven barrel 30 mm electric cannon that even if fired full auto would only generate half the total thrust of the two combined engine.
So, IF you're running on only one jet- yeah, dont fire too much. Otherwise you'd just notice a small speed reduction. Unfortunately very few felt what vibration the cannon do transmit!

As a side note the very first A10's had a small issue with the gas discharge of the gunfire that DID put out the engines, but a deflector first and a specific engine addendum eliminated the issue.

Not, there's THAT russian cannon, same caliber, that literally tore apart it's own plane- but it's a different sotry!

 

[zamalek]

As you can see, its a very small effect, but does exist.

... and can be trivially counteracted by an automatic firing of some of the thrusters.

I'd prefer 200 hand crafted systems than 400 billion procedurally generated content which you'll never find anyone or anything particularly interesting

So... Why are you here? Also, when did anyone bring up the hand crafted systems?

 

[xaccers]

Technically if you fart in zero G, it will push you.

Reminds me of the tale of the perfect murder.
Jeff and Bob are lone space station opperatives, on 6 monthly shifts each. Just before the next shift change, Bob finds out Jeff spent much of his last 6 months on Earth in bed with Bob's wife. As Bob prepares to enter the return capsule, he calls the unsuspecting Jeff over which Jeff does by gently pushing himself away one of the bulk heads. About midway Bob pulls out a baseball and throws it to Jeff who catches it negating his forward momentum and leaving him floating helpless in the middle of the room. "Bye!" says Bob as he gets in the capsule and returns to Earth.

As for guns in space moving things around, does anyone remember Walter Keonig using Uzis like a jetpack in Moontrap?

 

[starman]

It will be interesting to see if any SC players decide to check out ED .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvPU8e2ezgo seems quite convivial

 

[cmdr awesome]

Reminds me of the tale of the perfect murder.
Jeff and Bob are lone space station opperatives, on 6 monthly shifts each. Just before the next shift change, Bob finds out Jeff spent much of his last 6 months on Earth in bed with Bob's wife. As Bob prepares to enter the return capsule, he calls the unsuspecting Jeff over which Jeff does by gently pushing himself away one of the bulk heads. About midway Bob pulls out a baseball and throws it to Jeff who catches it negating his forward momentum and leaving him floating helpless in the middle of the room. "Bye!" says Bob as he gets in the capsule and returns to Earth.

As for guns in space moving things around, does anyone remember Walter Keonig using Uzis like a jetpack in Moontrap?

Bob could then throw the baseball in any direction, and survive.

 

[watto33]

... and can be trivially counteracted by an automatic firing of some of the thrusters.



So... Why are you here? Also, when did anyone bring up the hand crafted systems?

Oh so because I prefer Coke to Pepsi I can no longer drink Pepsi or speak of the name ?


If anything is not procedurally generated, then it is hand crafted. Obviously.