"Clean out Sentry Skimmer Mission" Bounties.

[Tygra]

Ok, just for kicks, I tried a "Clean out the [location] sentry skimmer" mission.

The goal was to destroy 6 skimmers, it had a 980k reward. It was at a fixed '+' installation.

I managed to pull this mission off, it was mildly challenging, and I figured out a way to pull it off.

Cool beans, I am sitting here ready to turn this mission in, however:

It did say these were "illegal" actions, ok, that's fine, figured I'd get a bounty....

Tho, isn't it overkill for a 6,915 CR Bounty for 5D 23H and 53Min?

The cost isn't my issue, that's no big deal, and the system isn't that critical for my day to day life, tho, isn't that time frame a little long considering this was a successful mission? And considering there's no way to 'pay' this bounty, I don't quite understand the following:

A system designed to deal with griefers in open and fails on that, (it's not going to bother them...) over kills a time frame in a solo game when a mission is successful with no in game way to handle it?

Is this really "as intended" as there is no real incentive to do these missions?

I did this for fun, but it really is nothing I ever want to do again, unless my goal was to be absolutely hated in a system forever, I don't see any draw here.

Even if I had to "fly cold" into a station to pay the bounty, and risk death do to so, but even that won't get rid of a bounty until the timer expires, thus, no point.

TL;DR I don't get the point of kill skimmer missions with the penalty for winning it. :S

 

[FrogsFriend]

Congratulations for killing them at the actual installation, that takes some doing and as you've found, has consequences.... but you can also complete it by killing Wanted skimmers at POIs in the area of the site. Anything on the surface up to approx. 300km from the installation will fall under its jurisdiction and the skimmers will belong to the target Faction.

 

[Tygra]

lol, now I find that out.... That would have made it easier. *shrugs* oh well, still, considering the target was supposed to be at the installation, that takes the challenge out and then it's really not worth it at all. [blah]

So, penalized for a challenge well done, or wander in the wilderness going pew pew on the lone skimmer and get no bounty.... Still "as intended"?

 

[FrogsFriend]

lol, now I find that out.... That would have made it easier. *shrugs* oh well, still, considering the target was supposed to be at the installation, that takes the challenge out and then it's really not worth it at all. [blah]

So, penalized for a challenge well done, or wander in the wilderness going pew pew on the lone skimmer and get no bounty.... Still "as intended"?

What can I say.... the more fun option has consequences. And anyway, bounties expire in time so in the meantime live life on the edge.

 

[Tygra]

I know, I new I was going to get a bounty, just didn't realize it was going to be for a week. (tho, I did hit that place pretty hard and did some collateral damage........[alien] )

No big deal, and more meant for FDev to review this stuff.

 

[Tygra]

What can I say.... the more fun option has consequences. And anyway, bounties expire in time so in the meantime live life on the edge.

Another mission the exact same thing came up, same place and all, for 3mil... I also got interdicted by and NPC wanting that bounty, I have not taken it yet, so 2 things....

1. Is there a max bounty time and CR?
2. If I roam around there and let and that NPC get me, will that claim that bounty and reset it to 0?
The ship is only 87k rebuy, and this is a 3 mil mission.... will this "cost of doing business" work?

I already know this won't work with stations cus of that Dormant stuff, and I will need to turn in that mission before I go back and NPC clean that, if that works. Or do I? it's not Data collection, it's skimmer kills, does the mission fail if you die?

(edit: I know I need to turn in any scan data too....)

 

[metatheurgist]

Congratulations for killing them at the actual installation, that takes some doing and as you've found, has consequences.... but you can also complete it by killing Wanted skimmers at POIs in the area of the site. Anything on the surface up to approx. 300km from the installation will fall under its jurisdiction and the skimmers will belong to the target Faction.

I've heard that doesn't work anymore but haven't verified.

 

[FrogsFriend]

I've heard that doesn't work anymore but haven't verified.

I can confirm it still works fine [up]

EDIT - Sorry, I should have added, the mission just asks you to destroy skimmers belonging to a certain Faction in a certain system. It then suggests a surface location (belonging to that Faction) where you should be able to find some. You can destroy any of the target Faction's skimmers, within 300km or so of any surface base they control in that system.

As a bonus, if you can also pick up a 'Source goods' mission for any of the commodities you normally find at POIs (consumer technology, gold, resonating separators, etc.) then they will show up on your ship's scanner at anything up to 4-5km range. It makes finding the POIs/skimmers a lot easier.... if that's what you want

 

[FrogsFriend]

Another mission the exact same thing came up, same place and all, for 3mil... I also got interdicted by and NPC wanting that bounty, I have not taken it yet, so 2 things....

1. Is there a max bounty time and CR?
2. If I roam around there and let and that NPC get me, will that claim that bounty and reset it to 0?
The ship is only 87k rebuy, and this is a 3 mil mission.... will this "cost of doing business" work?

I already know this won't work with stations cus of that Dormant stuff, and I will need to turn in that mission before I go back and NPC clean that, if that works. Or do I? it's not Data collection, it's skimmer kills, does the mission fail if you die?

(edit: I know I need to turn in any scan data too....)

1. I think it's one week and unlimited value.

2. Here's how the bounty/fines system works:
http://i.imgur.com/CgxzkCt.png

To clear it you either let the timer expire or get killed by someone who can claim the bounty; player, NPC or police... not a station or crash. (There is one other way. Die without it being claimed, respawn at a station belonging to the relevant faction and it's added to your re-buy cost).

The mission shouldn't fail when you die.... but I don't die that often so proceed with caution.

 

[Tygra]

My God.... :O

2. Here's how the bounty/fines system works:
http://i.imgur.com/CgxzkCt.png

"Beyond" 2.4 they are supposed to review core game play....

I nominate that image as item #1 on that list. My suggestion, BURN IT. [mad]

No system in the game should be that complex and no in game explanation on how that works. That's just crap game design right there. When you need a 'flow chart' to understand simple "You've done a bad thing!" mechanics... How much time was spent on that? How many man hours? Was this just to deal with 'griefers' in open and that turned into this patched nightmare? What features did we not get because of that madness? Good God.... [knocked out]

K I S S:
* Do a minor crime, get a fine. To many fines, you get denied access to that station.

* Do a major crime, get a bounty, higher the bounty, the more NPCs want you. Stations don't care about these.
(unless it's the station you did the crime against... then your toast.)

* Both can be paid off with select NPCs at select locations you can *find* on the map.

* A Fine or Bounty doesn't expire, you go pay it off, It only gets bigger if you keep doing the offence. (1M cap)

* If your wanted, you get shot at.

Done.

Fines don't become bounties, bounties don't become anything exotic, you pay it, your done.
PVP issues gets their own unrelated system. Go complicate that, But a bounty system should be simple to understand.

Jiminy Crickets... It's a game, not tax code. [yesnod]

 

[Cmdr Nemo]

In real life, a bounty hunter can and if need be use any force they need to including deadly if need be. There not cops which have to follow a set of guide lines and or laws governing arresting someone. And just like you see it the movies, where as if no one is around, it's far easier to just kill ya, then go through the hassel of tring to take you in alive. Well todays's bounty hunter's are a bit different, one doesn't want to kill you for a couple of thousand dollar bounty. But depending on one actions, and push comes to shove, you can be killed in the process. The days of actually stateing wanted dead or alive by the contractor is gone. Only the FBI has those ratings.

In my younger days, one of my clients was a bounty hunter, and on occasion, I got to tag along. It's amazing what people will do, and say, when a cop comes for them let alone a guy in normal clothes. There was a few times where as it took both of us to get a female under control. We could have used any force needed, and inso much as there was no one around to testify, that meant it could have included deadly. Should it have come to that, no one except friends and family would have cared. Though it does happen today on occasion, it's not very often. Many more new technics to use, then back in the ole' days.

In real life, bounties can not be paid, got a bounty you are going to jail. Resist, and it could go very very bad for you. Though this is but a game, and it's no big deal if a bounty hunter kills you. Provided that you've followed at least the golden rule of not flying without rebuy.