So what does Bananaman do differently from Code, Goons, Rangers, or any other self-professed "group"?
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So what does Bananaman do differently from Code, Goons, Rangers, or any other self-professed "group"?
There's something that always bothered me. If I get interdicted by CODE (assuming it's them and who they claim to be), ordered to halt my engines and drop my cargo, what happens if in fact I have no cargo? I could explain that I have no cargo but then the indictors would probably pass it off as buying time to jump or something.
At the same time, if I was doing a mission which has haulage provided by the client, would I be forced to turn over that 5 tons of scrap?
At the same time, if I was doing a mission which has haulage provided by the client, would I be forced to turn over that 5 tons of scrap?
I won't speak for the other groups out of respect (Rare commodity in the forum).
Code generates player-created content that constructively build the game and add to it. Galnet's inclusion of our existence in several articles prove that we are accepted as a significant, player-content generating group.
While Bananaman, on the hand, expresses his hatred for a player group and exploit by station ramming.
Piracy is an advertised profession and role within the ED universe by FD.
Station ramming, on the other hand, has been declared an exploit and considered grieving and publicly denounced by the FD.
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By Code's ideology, we will demand that we scan you nevertheless. As long as you show having no possession of cargo, we will disengage and leave you unharmed.
If you express extreme frustration with perhaps profanity, our members have discretion over how they handle the situation.
If you are hauling for mission, the items will be distinct enough for us to distinguish them from actual commodities. Depending on your aligning and the circumstance(CG blockade, Opposing NPC faction are exceptional circumstances that will warrant different actions), we understand your situation and will disengage and leave you unharmed.
Again, If you express extreme frustration with perhaps profanity, our members have discretion over how they handle the situation.
Hope this helps.
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Oh I understand Piracy, it's an inevitable and indeed integral part of the Elite universe. What people like Bananaman aredoing, is not piracy by certain standards (although no disrespect to Bananaman, he can of course do what he likes) but it's perhaps off-putting to other players. They may not want to visit certain systems when this kind of behavior is tolerated by the larger groups that pretend to exert influence upon the universe at large. If certain large groups want their influence to be anything other than a rumour and a couple of bytes in a string that nobody really pays any attention to, would it not make sense for those groups to do something about it?
If you are going to be famous, at least make some effort. Otherwise it's like wondering what happened to Big Brother Housemate #3 from 2003.
We have submitted multiple reports on multiple occasions on the Bananaman as different individuals with video evidence. However, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, the Devs shadow banned him for several days. The moment that ban is lifted, he returned to his routine of ramming people.
As I have mentioned, there is literally nothing we can do about station ramming other than counter station ramming. Which is an exploit that we frown upon and may involve even more innocent players and catch them in the middle of a cross-ramming by accident. If you have some sort of solution for it, we are more than happy to consider it.
For reference, and again I cannot name and shame here, a player hacked by giving himself unlimited shield, pylon ammo, etc... was caught by more than seven player groups with video evidence all submitted to FD on several occasions(the guy did not care everyone saw him hacking).
In the end, all FD gave the individual in question was a "stern warning".
So I think if we want to play the blame game, there's your target.
One thing that should be fixed, Code pirates take over system and force their own jurisdiction on that system but they run around with wanted tags and bounties on them, why isn't the local securities forces taking them down?
Going back to the lad who is ramming in station, why didn't the station take him down, he was going in and out of the station with a wanted tag not once did the station open fire, I am now thinking that "possibly only an idea" that Code is in fact run by one of the ED crew to hot things up a bit in system and are able to enter stations without been fired upon. Interesting idea.
Going back to the lad who is ramming in station, why didn't the station take him down, he was going in and out of the station with a wanted tag not once did the station open fire, I am now thinking that "possibly only an idea" that Code is in fact run by one of the ED crew to hot things up a bit in system and are able to enter stations without been fired upon. Interesting idea.
What if Bananaman is David Braben, and Cobra sidekick is Sandro? Oh the horrors!
I commend your creativity and extend you are willing to go to accuse Code...
But other than that, no comment.
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I personally would be very honored, if that is the case.
Since the devs used all the profanity they can think of to throw at me simply for docking at the station, with terrible spelling, btw.
Seeing as the game has come on a long way since 1984 and now we have proper open play, I should imagine each dev has and over sees their own main faction, office war games if you like and we (cmdrs) are the pawns and when 1.3 lands this will be more so, there is plenty of people working within ED to set up and run a faction just like Code and any other splinter group/pirate/trade/exploration group and each dev runs their own, mixing it up a bit. and of course you can't give up your identity in any of the groups because it would not be seen by players as fair.
If I am right in my assumptions it does add a lot to the game
But pirates should still be hung with a rope from the yardarms
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And players that rely on conspiracy theories and make their text intentionally hard to read should be hung with a rope from the yardarms.Seeing as the game has come on a long way since 1984 and now we have proper open play, I should imagine each dev has and over sees their own main faction, office war games if you like and we (cmdrs) are the pawns and when 1.3 lands this will be more so, there is plenty of people working within ED to set up and run a faction just like Code and any other splinter group/pirate/trade/exploration group and each dev runs their own, mixing it up a bit. and of course you can't give up your identity in any of the groups because it would not be seen by players as fair.
If I am right in my assumptions it does add a lot to the game
See what I'm doing here?
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Nah, just make them walk the plank out the airlock.
Nah, just make them walk the plank out the airlock.
Or you can do so instead of us? Ever thought of that? See what I did there?
GluttonyFang does your band of merry men fly to the old world rules of piracy?
I know each group will have their own rules (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_code ) and seeing some of the rules that you and the group have lashed together in the name of piracy which you "try" to keep the group flying to! in most instances you as an individual are not there to over see each battle for cargo, so you have trust in each one of your cmdrs.
Now if you do command a fairly old way of piracy you should recognise the word "Parlay" if the group are true pirates you must take any cmdr to your captain unharmed to discuss terms of the Parlay called by a cmdr. Am I right?
I know each group will have their own rules (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_code ) and seeing some of the rules that you and the group have lashed together in the name of piracy which you "try" to keep the group flying to! in most instances you as an individual are not there to over see each battle for cargo, so you have trust in each one of your cmdrs.
Now if you do command a fairly old way of piracy you should recognise the word "Parlay" if the group are true pirates you must take any cmdr to your captain unharmed to discuss terms of the Parlay called by a cmdr. Am I right?
OK, just to be sure I follow you: (you means group)
1. The game doesn't play how you think or want it to play. You paid $60/£35 and this entitles you to tell FD how to make the game.
2. You complain about people going into solo or group mode. But your "long-term strategy" is to force people into solo or group to use as a weapon to smack FD with and make them change their game.
3. "If others want to meta-game it and shift over to a parallel universe where only their friends exist, that's on FD to figure out whether that's good for the game."
It seems to me that the "pirates/CODE/whatever" are playing a metagame themselves; to force the devs and gamemakers to listen to their ideas on how to make the game. That's OK, but it's not OK for other players to have their own metagame?
Thank you for precisely stating the "pirates" goal, stripped of all bombast & rhetoric. Next time some "pirate" is blathering all about "the higher cause" "our philosophy" etc, I shall refer them to this post.
You made me laugh. Parlay!!!! +rep
I can't speak for Blaeringr, despite that he is a member of the Code he is entitled to his own interpretation and understanding. So if you really want answers, contact him via PM, since I don't think he's following this post anymore.
Remember that we are a collective entity, our members' perspectives on the purpose of the group deviates from one another. It is a pirate syndicate after all, and a direct democracy allows quite a lot of diversity in opinion. Though there is no doubt that Blaeringr consider the well-being of the group to be the priority. We follow a set of empirical code that dictates our in-game interaction with players and set empirical principles and philosophies as foundations, therefore it is likely that members have different interpretations that build on the said foundations. As long as they are not toppling down, we tolerate the difference.
Therefore please direct that comment more at Blaeringr if you question his interpretation.
Now separate from that, here is my interpretation:
1. The game doesn't play how you think or want it to play. You paid $60/£35 and this entitles you to tell FD how to make the game.
This entitles us to gain an experience of the game and then influence it with our agenda. Everyone does this, one expresses discontent when gaming experience is not optimized to particular tastes, some complain and some try to change them. The whole point of player feedback is hear how the community feels, and those who take advantage of their ability to advocate specific interest should make a difference. Politics anyone? Equal opportunity still awaits those that take advantage of it, it is an expression of our political efficacy within the community, if anything. What you are doing isn't any different other than the solitary status you possess currently (I am not aware of your aligning, so this is an assumption).
2. You complain about people going into solo or group mode. But your "long-term strategy" is to force people into solo or group to use as a weapon to smack FD with and make them change their game.
Please be careful with your diction, Blaeringr's words are "player groups working on specific in game goals in a coordinated way and the result is to just drive more people to solo or private".
This isn't identical to your interpretation: "force people into solo or group to use as a weapon to smack FD with and make them change their game".
When we execute a blockade, it leads player to escape to solo or private mode, this is, if anything similar to the nature of social commentary. We are indirectly displaying to FD that players that attempt a goal in an organized fashion will result in players entering solo or private mode, which we believe should not be the case. Thus we shall continue to point out what we believe to be an "issue".
Players are free to stay in open, it is just that they should expect us to intervene when we declare our interventions in CGs. Whether they choose to retreat to solo or private is an option.
You are free to disagree, but perhaps try to see matters from a perspective foreign or different than your own? Perhaps you will not be so narcissistic?
3. "If others want to meta-game it and shift over to a parallel universe where only their friends exist, that's on FD to figure out whether that's good for the game."
FD will figure out what is good for the game, indeed, but that does not prohibit us from being politically active within the community, unless you believe in tyranny of your liking?
"It seems to me that the "pirates/CODE/whatever" are playing a metagame themselves; to force the devs and gamemakers to listen to their ideas on how to make the game. That's OK, but it's not OK for other players to have their own metagame?"
Everyone wants to play their game their ways. We are no different. It's just that we tolerate and accept the game in its current state and try to actively influencing it. Since doing nothing will achieve nothing, and we would like to think that we are an active part of the community.
"Thank you for precisely stating the "pirates" goal, stripped of all bombast & rhetoric. Next time some "pirate" is blathering all about "the higher cause" "our philosophy" etc, I shall refer them to this post."
This is an opinion so I will ignore it, but for the sake of a fun awakening...
Thank you for contributing and questioning the Code. The next time you question us and our methods with that attitude, I shall dismiss you as a Code hater + Troll and treat you as such.
You are free to express your concerns and your opinion is valid, but if you wish to convey it in such manner, I will respond accord to it.
See what I did there?
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Some of our members prefer to keep to the history of piracy and stay true to it, others want to see innovation and act accordingly. That is member discretion, therefore not something I can comment on personally.
We have a complaint forum for any victim that feels wrongly abused, and surprisingly it has almost no threads, I wonder why.
We expect our members to act with integrity according to the empirical code, and will sternly check that integrity in accordance with every report/complaint filed via either PM and on our forum. However, the ratio between people accusing random and actual reports is about 9001:1.
Therefore, to answer your question, that depends on our members' personal discretion.
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Empirical as in basic and something derived from experience, code as in principles and guidelines.
Alright.
I understood the definitions, just wasn't sure if that was what you were trying to convey - that your code (money or rebuy) is an ongoing method of gathering empirical data. It does keep me in solo, so if that's the statistic you're after, there it is.I do have a personal opinion about it all, but I don't think it'd be helpful.
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