A little Postcard from the Black Pearl sent from Blae Drye JT-E b45-2
Colonia trip with my new Fleet Carrier Navigation Computer
- Thread starter Kuif
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2nd Accs Python Southern Green docked at the FC Black Pearl
Status report:
Ok, I woke up this morning and 3/4 of the journey had been completed. The computer had just executed jump number 33 out of 44. Unfortunately the navigation software is not completely glitch free. Yesterday after the 4th jump and prepering for the 5th it went into an exception deep into a third party library that I'm using. This library has not been updated yet to the Fleet Carrier Update and is not handling all the new events correctly, for now I'm using a workaround to handle all the Fleet Carrier stuff.
And just now preparing for jump 35 to "Boelts MQ-P b8-8" it failed again. But the program can quickly pickup with the same route file and continue where it left off. I was just lucky it did not glitch during the night.
Well about the "cheating", It didn't feel like cheating when I was building the software. It was only in this thread that people made me aware of the "bot" thing. For me it's just filling in the gap of the missing navigation functionality in the Fleet Carriers. To be honest what is the difference between all the CMDR's on board hitching a ride to Colonia and me hitching a ride with my Navigation Computer. Why does the Fleet Carrier owner have to pay for all the fuel, jump wear and tear and upkeep and do all the work while others can enjoy the ride without having to do anything?
I'm using and I guess alot of other players use macro's in Joystick Gremlin, Virpil Software, Voice assist and using data from Inara, eddb with tools and "automation" that take data from the same log files that I'm using for the Navigation Computer. I do agree that this Navigation Computer might be a bit more then just macro's and it is within the twilight zone of controlling a ship but it is just so damn handy to use
Ok, I woke up this morning and 3/4 of the journey had been completed. The computer had just executed jump number 33 out of 44. Unfortunately the navigation software is not completely glitch free. Yesterday after the 4th jump and prepering for the 5th it went into an exception deep into a third party library that I'm using. This library has not been updated yet to the Fleet Carrier Update and is not handling all the new events correctly, for now I'm using a workaround to handle all the Fleet Carrier stuff.
And just now preparing for jump 35 to "Boelts MQ-P b8-8" it failed again. But the program can quickly pickup with the same route file and continue where it left off. I was just lucky it did not glitch during the night.
Well about the "cheating", It didn't feel like cheating when I was building the software. It was only in this thread that people made me aware of the "bot" thing. For me it's just filling in the gap of the missing navigation functionality in the Fleet Carriers. To be honest what is the difference between all the CMDR's on board hitching a ride to Colonia and me hitching a ride with my Navigation Computer. Why does the Fleet Carrier owner have to pay for all the fuel, jump wear and tear and upkeep and do all the work while others can enjoy the ride without having to do anything?
I'm using and I guess alot of other players use macro's in Joystick Gremlin, Virpil Software, Voice assist and using data from Inara, eddb with tools and "automation" that take data from the same log files that I'm using for the Navigation Computer. I do agree that this Navigation Computer might be a bit more then just macro's and it is within the twilight zone of controlling a ship but it is just so damn handy to use
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Regarding the cheating issue - I'm in the camp that, if it uses nothing but the API(s) (i.e. the logfiles) that are provided by FD for exactly that purpose, and only the provided input methods (e.g. keyboard signals), then it isn't cheating. The logfile syntax is offcially documented (by FD) exactly for this purpose.
The underlying issue is that, unlike ships, carriers don't need to refuel in-flight from external sources (as demonstrated by Kuif, the internal fuel transfer is automatable) and they don't encounter unforeseeable events (like NPC attacks), so their movement is entirely predictable.
The underlying issue is that, unlike ships, carriers don't need to refuel in-flight from external sources (as demonstrated by Kuif, the internal fuel transfer is automatable) and they don't encounter unforeseeable events (like NPC attacks), so their movement is entirely predictable.
Now imagine somebody would want to get that navigation computer you are talking about, just theoretically. Where would that person have to go?Yes CMDR’s, another “I’m going to Colonia with the Fleet Carrier and who wants to join” post
I made the trip to Colonia before in the BETA 2 and the functionality that I was missing the most was to be able to schedule multiple jumps with the FC. That’s why I build my own Navigation Computer that can autonomously jump the carrier as far as the tritium in the tank and hold allows it to jump.
I tested the Navigation Computer with some short trips (5 to 7 consecutive 500 LY jumps) the last couple of hours to sort out the bugs in the programming. It looks like it’s ready for it’s first big test, 44 jumps from Diso to Colonia.
So anybody interested in joining (with a fleet) to Colonia to test the Navigation Computer? I will depart in about 24 hours from Diso on Monday afternoon 15th of June at 20:00 local Spanish time (18:00 UTC). Total trip of 44 jumps will take about 15 hours (if the navigation software is not glitching). The carrier will stay in and around Colonia for a week and will return somewhere on or after next weekend. Carrier is in the Diso system at the moment and will stay there till tomorrow.
CMDR: Kuif
Carrier Name: Black Pearl - ID: (V20-J1M)
Active modules: Refuel, Repair, Armoury, Shipyard
Although I have enough Tritium for the journey any donation of tritium is welcome. I will open up a cheap buy order for Tritium for CMDR’s that like to donate for the trip.
Let me know in this thread if you are joining or send a friend request in game
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Heheheh, my plan is to make it public but it is in a very alpha state right now
. I started developing it last week and I had to teach myself some C# and study the Third Party API, DirectX keybindings and log files.Furthermore it's hard coded with my keyboard, key bindings and max cargo capacity of the Cutter that I'm using to transfer Tritium. Also I think it is only working when there is only Tritium in the hold of either the ship or the FC. Did not test with other commodities on board. Not sure if I can figure out how to navigate to the Tritium in the cargo transfer screen when other commodities are in the mix.
But I guess I need some Alpha-/Beta testers to test out the computer
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Cant the automate LTD mining @ new Borann? I want to just fly a shield tank cutter miner there, and set it to auto, and let it prospect and collect LTD all by itself, the auto fly to the best sell price selling station, auto fuelscooping on the way, auto doc, auto sell, auto limpet and fuel restock, auto repair if needed. the auto jump back to the new borann rings.
Then i will manually fly it to the hotspot zone, and set it on auto again, i dont want to be lazy!!! All in solo of course.
Glad to hear that !
And also that your Nav software worked that good, too ! That might lead to a proper Bus-line to and from Colonia, probably with only manually initiating the start sequence and maybe the final jump because of availiable parking lots at the destination.Thanks a lot and good luck with your purposes. I'll donate / provide some Tritium later this day when I'm back home.
We stay in touch about the return to the bubble, ready when you are.
Even though I'm tempted to take a suiwinder back home with my Alt to take advantage of the actual mining situation and try to set up a Bus-Service to Colonia later with that account. But that needs further thinking about it, I guess.
You could always park your ship on the carrier and Suicidewinder back to the bubble.
Hmm... that might be also a good idea if I decide to really do that. Never done that before except during a beta a long time ago.
Needed the support in that process, too, because I erratically started the life game first and... well...
Needed the support in that process, too, because I erratically started the life game first and... well...
If that question was serious - can yes, but legally no.
It boils (very roughly) down to that you can automate anything you can do without once looking at the screen.
My thoughts are:
Tools that help you play the game = OK.
Tools that play the game for you = not OK.
Tools that help you play the game = OK.
Tools that play the game for you = not OK.
Okay, so that sounds like a decent proof-of-concept, and nice job being so quick out the gate. That said, regular users who don't feel like doing their own coding might do better to wait for the inevitable Voice Attack plugin that does the same thing.Heheheh, my plan is to make it public but it is in a very alpha state right now
Furthermore it's hard coded with my keyboard, key bindings and max cargo capacity of the Cutter that I'm using to transfer Tritium. Also I think it is only working when there is only Tritium in the hold of either the ship or the FC. Did not test with other commodities on board. Not sure if I can figure out how to navigate to the Tritium in the cargo transfer screen when other commodities are in the mix.
But I guess I need some Alpha-/Beta testers to test out the computer
Indeed - good luck to anyone who wants to try automating mining using only what's in the journal files!
It already exists in its original form. You can click on the link it Kuif's #12 post and then make changes to the entries. It even uses similar drop-down menus found in INARA. Keep in mind that you will probably encounter the same glitches Kuif ran into when making his trip.
Well... not exactly. At least as I understood his explanation, that's only the flight route which is then copied as .csv file into Kuif's software, isn't it ?
Evidently the software program (which is not available at the link) accesses the .csv file (which is created and downloaded at the link). My mistake.