Troy_McClure
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These forums would be pretty quiet if it wasn't!
EDIT: Damn you phone call & Cosmic!
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Combat Logging
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These forums would be pretty quiet if it wasn't!
EDIT: Damn you phone call & Cosmic!
I definitely wouldn't say that that was sufficient. You mean having to do the grinding that they bypassed in the first place? This doesn't wash either, because it isn't as if they had to grind *again*, but they did then have to grind fro the first time to achieve the same goals as others had reached by not cheating in the first place. They got off lightly.
I dont get this way of thinking, how has anyone lost anything by CL, maybe by somones standards, but if the person CL is doing it knowing full well he/she is doing it, then they dont care what the person shooting at them thinks nor do they feel any kind of lose or they would stay and fight or try and make a run for it by high waking.
Why do people care so much about it.
They have lost nothing, in fact they have gained, less stress, no rebuy, the middle finger to the person trying to ruin thier day just for the little tingle they get in their nether regions, thus ineffect the CL is the winner if there is such a thing in this merry go round of mummy he CL on me...
(if it pvp as in pvp yeah lets fight then cl is a no no)
Powderpanic
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I still love the entitlement of players in Open completely saying its OK to cheat because of non consensual PVP.
If you don't want the potential of PVP, stay out of PVP mode.
Queue the screams that all modes.. blah blah.
Open is the wild west mode, don't complain when you get scalped by Indians not sharing your roleplay.
If you don't want the potential of PVP, stay out of PVP mode.
Queue the screams that all modes.. blah blah.
Open is the wild west mode, don't complain when you get scalped by Indians not sharing your roleplay.
It seems i sparked a fire by accident o>o
My personal favourite counterproductive entitlement example is when people combine setting a huge list of self centered demands for what every other player and FDEV must and must not do right now, with complaining that no-body wants to play with them.
Always good for a laugh.
Bad analogy.
2 sets down in a tennis match and leaving the game for anything means you forfeit the game and your opponent wins. That's not a void game, that's a game lost and won.
As far as any "agreement" goes in E: D, any CMDR can choose to try to leave the engagement at any time through high wake, low wake or menu timer. (unless of course this was a consensual match that was pre-arranged, but I get the impression that when we talk about Combat Logging and combat logging that the match wasn't pre-agreed in the first place. Am I right?)
I think the problem with PvP combat types is that there is a certain expectation that has grown out of games that are *purely* PvP combat that you must fight to the death. And quite rightly so. You enter a match in these games knowing full well that the outcome is death for one player or team. That is the entire game in a PvP combat only game. E: D is not that game. E: D is not *solely* a PvP combat game, and therefore the expectation that one must stay and fight to the death does not apply.
Expectations of the PvP combat oriented players need to change.
In E: D a low wake or high wake or menu log is not a disgraceful exit. These options are part and parcel of the game. Call them combat logging if you must, but the stigma of Combat Logging <initial caps> is absolutely out of order in those eventualities. And chill out, damn it. You won. You forced your opponent to flee. If you absolutely *need* to think that your opponent must "lose" something, well consider that they have indeed actually lost something tangible. Consider that they have lost the opportunity to dock at the CG and therefore the blockade has been effective. Consider that they have lost the opportunity to accrue any more combat bonds or any more bounty vouchers and that your defence for your faction has been successful - no more ships on your side are getting destroyed/ that your role in keeping the pirates in business has been successful - no more pirates will be destroyed by the player you forced to flee. Consider that they have lost out in any way you like and that you have won. This is the game. The *game* within E: D.
Yours Aye
Mark H
Do you honestly believe that any of the cheats' ships had anything other than DD G5. Are you saying that they purposely put some at G3 or G4 (with the proper materials) instead of just maxxing them out at G5?
Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?
I thought now the way the block works if you come across someone who CL or cheats to use your view, simlply add that player to your block list thus its one less CL/cheater you have to worry about.
This is what I dont get, its not like they are cheating anyone out of anything or getting further ahead of anyone or getting a better loot role or anything that would effect the chap shooting at them in anyway bar the fact that the shooter diddnt see thier target go pop into a zilllion mega pixals on a computer screen.
I dont condone cheating and I do think if you start the fight you should hang around to finsh it, or die trying. Cheating to gain an advantge is one thing, pulling the plug to get away from a low life is another. Yeah it might be cheating but come on its a bit like a bunch of kids playing go hide and seeek, and the one counting is looking through his fingers. Not like having an aim bot , god mode or useing an exploit to get good rng rolls.
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I agree with your vision wholeheartedly, except for one minor detail.
If this kind of gameplay was available, then I'm pretty sure that more players would gravitate towards Open for the fun of it. Therefore I thoroughly disagree that there needs to be extra reward coded into the game making an imbalance between modes. The *reward* would be that there is better gameplay available in Open.
Yours Aye
Mark H
There is no PvP mode.
There is a mode in which PvP can happen. Big difference.
Open is not ‘about’ PvP.
Repped but I think one or two of the posters here will take umbrage at your statement. According to them, Open only exists for that very (very very) small minority of players who participate in PvP. They have to think that because Open is the only thing they have, whereas everyone else can quite easily play the game as they are playing it now in all three modes (Open, Solo and PG). In fact I wish FD would make a 4th mode, exclusively for PvP but I doubt many would use it as there wouldn't be any sacrificial lambs for them to slaughter.
Personally, I think PvP should be kept to Solo mode.
All [current] problems solved.
Balance. Done.
Clogging. Done.
Instancing. Done.
PvPer complaining of lack of targets: Same as now.
Did I win the internet?
CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
All [current] problems solved.
Balance. Done.
Clogging. Done.
Instancing. Done.
PvPer complaining of lack of targets: Same as now.
Did I win the internet?
CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
Personally, I think PvP should be kept to Solo mode.
All [current] problems solved.
Balance. Done.
Clogging. Done.
Instancing. Done.
PvPer complaining of lack of targets: Same as now.
Did I win the internet?
CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
Then let SLJ loose on the AI for the Authority Ships and watch the mayhem lol
Actually, it occurs to me that I’m wrong. There is a PvP mode. It’s called CQC.
No one uses it.
Of course they don't use it, it is an even playing field, you can't super mod the ships there currently (well I don't think you can, never played it myself). Now if they could take the CQC concept and let a player import his current fleet of ships into it, just think how nice Open would be then!
You may hold some consistent role-play ideals for your CMDR, but the thing is that I've noticed personally that most PvP combateers do not. They flip-flop as is necessary to "justify" the gameplay that they want to play, rather than saying, like you are saying, I'm an IMP, therefore I will block only FED CGs. Most of the "bad guys" as you put it flit into one CG to blockade the FEDs and then the next week they are blockading the IMPs. The only consistent thing is their constant interdiction of players only and given the choice of targets these players choose the weaker ships.
Unlike yourself who say they only go after the big 3, etc...
These are the players who others try to avoid. Probably not you explicitly, but the damage is being done by the total lack of credibility of the few who *say* they want a challenge because NPCs are easy, but then only go after weak players.
This is the root of the problem. Combat logging is purely a symptom of that perverted problem, and therefore does not need to be fixed "first and foremost". Crime and punishment is the most potent fix for the problem and *if* that works effectively the problem of Combat Logging will be reduced dramatically (*if* C&P works...).
The remainder of the problem are the pro Combat Loggers who are basically PvP-minded individuals, rather than the individuals who now hang out in PG mode because of the original problem.
Yours Aye
Mark H
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