combat the combat loggers

[EponymousCowherd]

Only "combat logged" once and that was against an NPC (hence the quotes), I was winning the battle but not fast enough and lunch time ran out. So my conscience is clear on this.

This is the truth of it. ED is just a game. Sometimes real life happens. If I'm playing ED and I need to do something urgently (e.g. a support call for work), then the console gets killed, there and then, irrespective of what I'm doing in the game. If that is fighting (NPCs in my case, but I'd do the same if I was in open and against another player).

That isn't combat logging (killing the connection to avoid dying), that is just real life being more important than a game.

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Utter Rubbish.

There is only one correct position on "Combat Logging", the one the devs express...to wit, it is CHEATING, if done in Open or Solo against Player or NPC, it is considered CHEATING, full stop. The one possibly acceptable excuse would be a genuine glitch. Piracy and murder on the other hand are accepted game behaviors and completely legitimate. Its not open for debate or subject to opinion.

Sorry, but you are wrong. It is only combat logging if you logged explicitly to avoid getting killed. It is not combat logging if you urgently need to do something in the real world.

 

[RasputinX]

This is the truth of it. ED is just a game. Sometimes real life happens. If I'm playing ED and I need to do something urgently (e.g. a support call for work), then the console gets killed, there and then, irrespective of what I'm doing in the game. If that is fighting (NPCs in my case, but I'd do the same if I was in open and against another player).

That isn't combat logging (killing the connection to avoid dying), that is just real life being more important than a game.

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Sorry, but you are wrong. It is only combat logging if you logged explicitly to avoid getting killed. It is not combat logging if you urgently need to do something in the real world.

Never meant to imply otherwise. Did mean to point out that in the developers eyes, combat logging against an NPC isn't OK and is considered cheating the same as if you did it against a Player.

 

[Itsayeti52]

Pretty sure what OP is saying is talking about force quitting the game (whichever way you do it) seconds before you explode. Funny how a "random" disconnect or "real life" moment happens when your sheilds are down and hull is at 20% and you have been evading and trying to jump for the last 30 seconds. You should pay a price when your ship is destroyed, or if your ship was going to be destroyed within the next few seconds when you had your connection "error" You should be able to send the video of it to frontier and they can handle it on a case by case basis, but I tend to agree with OP a fine should be deducted from your account at a greater amount than your ships insurance. Don't think that's fair? That's it ok to have a "random" disconnect when a fights not going your way? Please feel free to go play a different game.

 

[EponymousCowherd]

Never meant to imply otherwise. Did mean to point out that in the developers eyes, combat logging against an NPC isn't OK and is considered cheating the same as if you did it against a Player.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I quite agree, cheating is cheating.

 

[L0CI]

And I bet there will be an overwhelming majority that knows their way around it and would be able to cheat the system and the ones that know their way around will definetly use their knowledge do exploit the game. That isn't the case? Oh..

I could interpret that in a few different ways, rephrase please?

 

[Comrade Error]

I could interpret that in a few different ways, rephrase please?

Sorry, can't forgive your ignorance, or something.

 

[L0CI]

If we're going to resort to childishness, Error, please go yourself. Three cheers for the censor.

 

[wisperingdeathh]

Banning people for combat logging is the dumbest idea i have heard, mostly because they payed real money to play the game, and i think it is blatantly unfair to deny a person their purchase for breaking a arbitrary law. I would only go as far as suspensions but that is still iffy.

Also is this really the best way to handle this, i mean most people combat log to escape death because even if you afford your re buy you don't want to lose money. In fact ill start recommending everybody to play on solo in case they get banned or better yet play the other 99% of games that don't do this.

 

[Gully Foyle]

Are they not kind of chickening out?
Maybe just give the a big yellow stripe and change their CMDR names to My Little Pony would be awesomer.

 

[Comrade Error]

If we're going to resort to childishness, Error, please go yourself. Three cheers for the censor.

You meany you started it

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Banning people for combat logging is the dumbest idea i have heard, mostly because they payed real money to play the game, and i think it is blatantly unfair to deny a person their purchase for breaking a arbitrary law. I would only go as far as suspensions but that is still iffy.

I guess I'll just hax the game and I better not get banned because I payed with MY money and it is now MY game.

 

[VTEC DRIFTER667]

Too much hassle to quote when posting from a mobile. Oh I get it perfectly well and I'm glad at least some others do. DDoS, err no. Not at all. Not too sure how you came to that conclusion. What I said makes perfect sense if you understand P2P, what can be achieved if you know your way around it and how it is applied in this game. I can't be the only one here who suffered under Halo 2, surely? I learned a lot from that experience.

Well I despise Halo so I'm clueless as to what goes on there, anyway my guess was wrong. --Momentai ;3

 

[wisperingdeathh]

I guess ill just QUIT the game and i better not get banned because i payed for it with MY money and i now OWN this copy (not the devs) if i do get banned ill just play a game with reasonable punishments.

 

[EponymousCowherd]

I guess ill just QUIT the game and i better not get banned because i payed for it with MY money and i now OWN this copy (not the devs) if i do get banned ill just play a game with reasonable punishments.

Actually, you don't, legally, own the game. You merely purchase a licence to use it. The publisher can rescind that licence any time they wish.

The only time you ever actually own software is when you commission it yourself. I write bespoke software for a living and charge £900 per day for my time (and that's cheap, BTW). How many dev/hours did creating ED take? You do the maths.

The bottom line is that, yes, griefers are a problem. Combat loggers are a problem, the lack of private groups is a problem, the instability of the game is a problem. But it is still a great game and great value compared to most other major titles on XB!.

 

[wisperingdeathh]

Oh you don't actually own your game hmmm i wonder why they would do that, beats me it's definitely not anti consumer.

Combat logging is not a problem because the same effect is reached by not playing in open, there is no difference it has the same effect so maybe instead of trying to police the game we change it to prevent quitting from happening in the first place.

 

[EponymousCowherd]

oh you don't actually your game hmmm i wonder why they would do that, beats me it's definitely not anti consumer

I think you misunderstand me. Unless you actually commission software, or write it yourself, you only purchase a licence to use it. This isn't just ED, or just games, it is all software. You don't own the operating system on your computer, you don't own any of the programs running on it. You don't own Android, iOS, Windows, OSX. You don't even own the software running your washing machine. It is all licenced, and the copyright owner can rescind any licence at any time. The reason it is done this way is very simple. Software is not a physical product and can be copied. If you were given ownership of a piece of software (i.e the copyright), then you would have the right to distribute it. Obviously any software author wants to be paid for his/her work. If the first person to "buy" it was legally entitled to sell it on to anyone they like then nobody would be writing software for a living and game like ED would not exist.

So, software is licenced, and that licence sets out exactly what you are, and are not, permitted to do with that software. If the Ts&Cs for ED specifically prohibit combat logging (they do), then they are, absolutely, within their rights to rescind your licence to use it.

 

[livijambo]

wow this thread is a good one .
so the next time i am in combat and am down to 20% hull i think i will switch off my console and make my self a cup a coffee or phone my mate or worse talk to the missus ....hey its not logging its real life right .....

get real if real life happens which it does message the player and apologizes .i would even go as far as offering the player to destroy me .

unlike some player i am not a cheat or a coward and i play fair .i wouldn't like to see players get kicked but punished. i started this thread as an idea but so many are against it i can only assume that most have logged and would log again

 

[madbruiser]

assume what you like... you dont hear exactly what you wanted and are upset, welcome to the real world mate... it gets even better lol

 

[livijambo]

hardly upset by a game but some here seem to be any mad have you logged ?

 

[EponymousCowherd]

wow this thread is a good one .
so the next time i am in combat and am down to 20% hull i think i will switch off my console and make my self a cup a coffee or phone my mate or worse talk to the missus ....hey its not logging its real life right .....

get real if real life happens which it does message the player and apologizes .i would even go as far as offering the player to destroy me .

unlike some player i am not a cheat or a coward and i play fair .i wouldn't like to see players get kicked but punished. i started this thread as an idea but so many are against it i can only assume that most have logged and would log again

Sorry, but its a game. Real life comes first. I can, and will, switch my XBox off without notice if something requires my attention. I will, of course apologise and explain to any other player if I meet them again, but if the phone rings, the doorbell goes, the cat starts puking, then I'm gone.

I reiterate. This is a game. Great fun, but in the great scheme of things, utterly unimportant. If you want to kick up a humongous fuss because you think someone "combat logged", then, I guess, that's up to you. Unless you can show someone doing it just as you are about to kill them, and doing it repeatedly, I doubt, very much, you will get anywhere with it.

Still, if it makes you feel better.......

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hardly upset by a game but some here seem to be any mad have you logged ?

Nope. Read that 3 times. Still doesn't make sense.

 

[livijambo]

sorry mate had to switch off my router there as my dog had a bad dream..... but she is all good got to hate real life

Sorry, but its a game. Real life comes first. I can, and will, switch my XBox off without notice if something requires my attention. I will, of course apologise and explain to any other player if I meet them again, but if the phone rings, the doorbell goes, the cat starts puking, then I'm gone.

I reiterate. This is a game. Great fun, but in the great scheme of things, utterly unimportant. If you want to kick up a humongous fuss because you think someone "combat logged", then, I guess, that's up to you. Unless you can show someone doing it just as you are about to kill them, and doing it repeatedly, I doubt, very much, you will get anywhere with it.

Still, if it makes you feel better.......

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Nope. Read that 3 times. Still doesn't make sense.