ANNOUNCEMENT Community Update (22/10)

[Eliza]

Well, as I said, you can always say "we warned, go read it carefully." I'm eagerly looking for any new information both on the forum and on reddit and on Twitter, and its absence (with the exception of similar community update, in which there is zero useful information) is frustrating.

Point given, that it could be frustrating. I learned, to be frustrated, depends solely on oneself. One is frustrated over things they cannot change no matter what one's doing. So it's not the circumstance to blame but oneself. It's just a result of impatience and lack of "knowledge". Life's hard but unfair.

"Hate the player, not the game" (famous poker-quote)

 

[Diagbar]

Point given, that it could be frustrating. I learned, to be frustrated, depends solely on oneself. One is frustrated over things they cannot change no matter what one's doing. So it's not the circumstance to blame but oneself. It's just a result of impatience and lack of "knowledge". Life's hard but unfair.

"Hate the player, not the game" (famous poker-quote)

how can I say that if I am guilty of worrying about the future of ED (maybe one of the few who really doesn’t give a damn), because even after 3337 hours of play, it is my favorite game for me, then I admit it’s to blame

 

[Konan]

and you know, I seem to be starting to guess why the Fadeevs moved the carriers release. in fact, I can conclude that this decision is purely “political”, since carriers will certainly not be anything more than just a large stationary object, on which players can land their ships and replenish supplies, as well as who can jump for 500 years . which means the release of carriers will not bring any new mechanics. which means that all the mechanics for him are already in the game from its very start. when transferring carriers, they wanted to “punish” the community for “daring” to point out bugs and oh dear, ask for their corrections. they decided "ah, do you want us to fix bugs ?! fine, we will do it
now as a minimum half a year there will be nothing but fixing bugs! " but in my opinion, by doing so, the fdev was no longer punished but really disappointed the community, at least part of it. although, I personally did not see in the appeals or that petition requests to fix bugs instead of releasing new content.

I agree. Correct me if I'm wrong on the big fixes, they said a bug fix patch would come out every 3 or 4 months. If that's so then there will be only ONE bug fix before the FCs come out? That better be one helluva bug fix then.

 

[Diagbar]

I agree. Correct me if I'm wrong on the big fixes, they said a bug fix patch would come out every 3 or 4 months. If that's so then there will be only ONE bug fix before the FCs come out? That better be one helluva but fix then.

it is, if fleet carriers flew away already in the 2nd quarter of 2020 and did not fly even further, then, before their release there will be only 1-2 "updates" consisting solely of "bugfixes". but, I am almost sure that in the spring or maximum in the summer, fdev will announce the transfer of both fleet carriers to the end of 2020 and the new era at least to the end of 2021-mid-2022.

 

[Konan]

But one thing I will say - even with my sometimes jaundiced view of ED - buy Arx. Help the development - albeit that for which they have enough money already - by buying arx.

If anyone has spent less than £2.99 on Arx they should not be allowed on this forum. (£10 for avatar pic).

I own appx. 85% of all paint jobs and other stuff in the store. I feel like I have paid for at least a Christmas party or two of fdevs with my support BEFORE arq. Having said that, they continue to procrastinate and perform horribly with their development. I'll say what I want on the forum, thank you very much. And I say I ain't buying another frakking thing until they start doing what they say. Keeping my money (and you keeping yours) is the only thing game developers and publishers understand.

 

[Diagbar]

I own appx. 85% of all paint jobs and other stuff in the store. I feel like I have paid for at least a Christmas party or two of fdevs with my support BEFORE arq. Having said that, they continue to procrastinate and perform horribly with their development. I'll say what I want on the forum, thank you very much. And I say I ain't buying another frakking thing until they start doing what they say. Keeping my money (and you keeping yours) is the only thing game developers and publishers understand.

I completely agree, you can search my early posts, I say the same thing if the community really wants to help fdev deal with their problems. you need to treat them in a mirror. fdev don't say anything about elite development? excellent, you just don’t have to buy anything at the frontierstore until you say it. I try to say this to everyone.

 

[BirdWisdom]

I would very much have waited until 2025 if we could fly the Fleet Carrier in Supercruise

 

[IceMike]

In all honesty, I think I've been fortunate that I haven't run into anything game-breaking or even bugs in general. Mind you I'm an occasional player that jumps in whenever I feel like it, or when I have other day-1 buddy CMDR's around.
This year in particular however, I've been struggling for motivation to log in. Makes sense I said if they're focusing all their effort into making more content and more stuff for us to do. When the announcement was made "We'll essentially be gone for a year, but we'll still be around to put in QOL improvements to the game." It was a hard swallow, but I understood it.
As we neared the end of the year, and all the content that was revealed, I was genuinely stoked. But then the rug was pulled from under me and find out I have to wait just shy of another half a year if I'm lucky. I really felt the game stagnating, and was hoping that feeling would've been relieved. Alas 't was not to be.
I reached out to other squadron members and close friends, and realize I'm not alone feeling this way.

Guess we're all going to give our CMDR's an extended furlough. Fly back to our respective home starports and just take an extended vacation. Haven't been to my condo in the mars high orbital in a while..

 

[shadowwar]

Sadly lacking is FDEV commentaries once again. What is with these people are they too scared to post? To react when everything seems to be falling down yet again. Yet again! They break the game without proper QAQC and we take the blame. Am I the only one who thinks this is kind of weird?

 

[Riverside]

Sadly lacking is FDEV commentaries once again. What is with these people are they too scared to post? To react when everything seems to be falling down yet again. Yet again! They break the game without proper QAQC and we take the blame. Am I the only one who thinks this is kind of weird?

It's the weekend. I'm sure some placatory remarks will be coming on Monday. Because this time it'll be different

 

[Dutchman141]

I own appx. 85% of all paint jobs and other stuff in the store. I feel like I have paid for at least a Christmas party or two of fdevs with my support BEFORE arq.

And

Havingsaid that, they continue to procrastinate and perform horribly with their development.

You do realise that these two things aren't in the slightest related yes?

You made the choice to spend money on store items all by yourself, just like me btw.
It says nowhere that Fdev will customise their game to your wishes in any way when you buy store items, or even more so a lot of store items.

If you wanna complain then do so but don't use your spending spree as an excuse for your entitlement.

 

[Riverside]

You do realise that these two things aren't in the slightest related yes?

You made the choice to spend money on store items all by yourself, just like me btw.
It says nowhere that Fdev will customise their game to your wishes in any way when you buy store items, or even more so a lot of store items.

If you wanna complain then do so but don't use your spending spree as an excuse for your entitlement.

It's just pre-empting the "but you wouldn't have bought anything anyway" argument.

I'm not a habitual cosmetics buyer. But I used to be.

 

[Eliza]

how can I say that if I am guilty of worrying about the future of ED (maybe one of the few who really doesn’t give a damn), because even after 3337 hours of play, it is my favorite game for me, then I admit it’s to blame

Oh yes then "Guilty as charged"!
Like me and many of the silent majority of passionate players. Unlike some of the loudmoths here at the forum's. I won't call out any names, but a really nice example of latter is present in this very thread, calling out the incompetence of the dev-team, DEMANDING stuffs over and over again, "suggesting" that FDev should sell out the Elite-Project etc. pp. and THEN remain also silent like a mouse when one (me) points out the flaws in their statements.

OMG... You seemed to have forgotten something very relevant: Your significant lack of knowledge how digital products are beeing produced.

2D-Cockpits? Really? That is soooo 90's. In times of VR, 2D-Cockpits are complete nonsense.
Sell it to another company and resign the profits made by the best selling IP?
Reprogramming the whole product, just to fit into a 3rd party engine and to PAY for the licence that comes with that engine instead using the "homemade" (and very good) one?

Before I get really unpolite, I once again get my coat and search for more popcorn. The amounts of mine just isn't enough for all your salt.

I'm one of the louder "whiteknight" forumites. I just have to stand the ground. I won't give it up without a fight. Unfortunatly the most of the doomongers are undergunned.
I'm really eager to see what "New Era" will bring, but don't expect anything. Just looking forewards what the future will bring to Elite.

FDev won't give an insight of their plans about the upcoming things. One have to simply accept that. DEMANDING insights is not an option, unless one is paying into FDev quite heavily to have the RIGHT to demand insights.

 

[Konan]

You do realise that these two things aren't in the slightest related yes?

You made the choice to spend money on store items all by yourself, just like me btw.
It says nowhere that Fdev will customise their game to your wishes in any way when you buy store items, or even more so a lot of store items.

If you wanna complain then do so but don't use your spending spree as an excuse for your entitlement.

lets set something straight...i didnt say i was entitled to anything. My response was to the sstatement by a poster that we should all buy arx points if we want to speak on the forums. Having said that, my spending is relevant. I spend my money on stuff i like. Fdev may not have to make things i like in the game, true, but i dont have to spend my money either. As a consumer i can complain all i like. As long as there is an open forum, i can complain, give suggestions and give supportive or non supportive comments. As a consumer i may not be "entitled" but neither are they entitled to my hard earned money.

 

[Stigbob]

Sadly lacking is FDEV commentaries once again. What is with these people are they too scared to post? To react when everything seems to be falling down yet again. Yet again! They break the game without proper QAQC and we take the blame. Am I the only one who thinks this is kind of weird?

Same reason the DDF got shut down. People get overly toxic no matter what they say and its just not worth FDEV trying to talk to them.

Break the game lol, I avoided remote engineering for a day and pressed 4 twice to clear a softlock its hardly broken. ED has always been an incredibly stable game compared to anything by Bethesda, and they are in a different league to Egosoft entirely they need a decade to sort the kinks out for their stuff.

 

[Stigbob]

lets set something straight...i didnt say i was entitled to anything. My response was to the sstatement by a poster that we should all buy arx points if we want to speak on the forums. Having said that, my spending is relevant. I spend my money on stuff i like. Fdev may not have to make things i like in the game, true, but i dont have to spend my money either. As a consumer i can complain all i like. As long as there is an open forum, i can complain, give suggestions and give supportive or non supportive comments. As a consumer i may not be "entitled" but neither are they entitled to my hard earned money.

He was kidding. As a supplier FDEV can choose their marketing strategy, who is worth talking to and who is allowed to post in their forum.

 

[Konan]

He was kidding. As a supplier FDEV can choose their marketing strategy, who is worth talking to and who is allowed to post in their forum.

Nice to know he spoke in jest. Yes they can control their forum.....much like i control my wallet. Let us both choose wisely

 

[Konan]

He was kidding. As a supplier FDEV can choose their marketing strategy, who is worth talking to and who is allowed to post in their forum.

Thinking on this a bit as i patrol the county, my mind wonders on the feasibility of trust in kickstarter programs such as ED and Star citizen. I myself, would not donate to such a thing. I believe its natural to want to believe in these companies, that they would bw good stewards with the money donated. Im sure many who gave believe that they are like investors....that maybe they are owed at the very least, an explanation for Fdevs stance and business actions. I'm not sure if they are or not due anything. They donated their money...buyer beware...i am in law enforcement, for almost 20 years now, chasing down criminals....including thieves. In all these years, i learned something thing about thieves. The best ones don't steal during the dark of the night or when youre not looking....they talk you into giving them your money willingly. Am i calling Fdev thieves? No.........not yet anyway. Only time will tell. Until then i will do business with them as i do business with others. I will pay for products upon receipt and not upon promises. And my return business transactions will be determined on how well the ones went before. Prudence demands it.

 

[Stigbob]

Nice to know he spoke in jest. Yes they can control their forum.....much like i control my wallet. Let us both choose wisely

Controlling your wallet is the only sensible approach to entertainment. FDEV are fairly laid back about the forum, they let people who do nothing who gripe and bang on about refunds/legal action hang around for years after they stopped playing.

There is a limit though :

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/blocked-on-facebook.527532/#post-8112470

Thinking on this a bit as i patrol the county, my mind wonders on the feasibility of trust in kickstarter programs such as ED and Star citizen. I myself, would not donate to such a thing. I believe its natural to want to believe in these companies, that they would bw good stewards with the money donated. Im sure many who gave believe that they are like investors....that maybe they are owed at the very least, an explanation for Fdevs stance and business actions. I'm not sure if they are or not due anything. They donated their money...buyer beware...i am in law enforcement, for almost 20 years now, chasing down criminals....including thieves. In all these years, i learned one thing about thieves. The best ones don't steal during the dark of the night or when youre not looking....they talk you into giving them your money willingly. Am i calling Fdev thieves? No.........not yet anyway. Only time will tell. Until then i will do business with them as i do business with others. I will pay for products upon receipt and not upon promises. And my return business transactions will be determined on how well the ones went before. Prudence demands it.

I've backed a few games at early access (ED included) and been happy with them I looked into gameplay first. With ED I checked out the flyable demo before buying which is also why I noped out on star citizen (that and the ship prices it just stretches credulity beyond breaking point).

 

[Patrick_68000]

Excellent. First things first, what?

Pizzas ?