Considering moving to Windows 10 from Windows 7 - better for ED?

It hurts me when people throw away perfectly good technology every time the next shiny bauble comes along.

I have relatives that get a new smartphone every few months, whereas I've had mine for 5 years and it still works perfectly. I see no reason to upgrade unless stuff flat-out stops working on Windows 7. Besides, my gaming computer is only 1.5 years old, as are the three TITAN X cards inside it. Could I replace them with TITAN X Pascals? Sure, but why?

You misunderstood. I am not talking about hardware but about software. I am using my mobiles for 2-5 years myself, but if it asks me to update the OS because they found a security issue I am going to do it.

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ED is DX11 and all other things being equal, I cannot tell the difference in ED (or much of anything else) between Windows 7 and Windows 10.



The simple fact that Windows 10 is no longer free and has even the barest of learning curves would more than trump it's marginal advances in most areas for a great many people. If you actively don't like some of the changes and don't need DX12, there is really very little reason to move to 10.



What kind of lunatic would use Adobe's (PDF) reader long enough for it to want to update?


I don't care what professionals are doing, but users with outdated software and low security are a risk for the whole internet. I think people should go to jail for it, or at least pay a fine and get their computers removed. :)
 
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make sure you know your password to login to windows. Even if you don't have the current version asking you when you boot the machine up.
It will ask you for it when you install the new version after it has installed it and run the new version of windows.
or you will be locked out of your computer.
 
I was told re Windows 10 issue. Because I installed it over a previous os and during the initial release subsequent update have caused issues. A new PC with Win10 preinstalled. Which by some coincidence they have one here ready for me to take away. Alternatively I could buy a Mac. Linux is for space cadets.

If I decide to build a new pc Ill have to get a paid version. Also there are plans on the business to make it a subscription. Consumer sub could follow. look at office 365. Adobe etc.

Software as service. Maybe they could sell users tea shirts and shinny icons.
 
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I installed 10 when it first came out and was being given out for free, I reinstalled 7 the next day. Felt far too cluttered for me, been using 7 since it came out, is there any news on what they are doing next in terms of windows?
 
Just wondering if there's any actual benchmarks or tests that shows that Windows 10 is better for gaming? Everything that I've read so far suggests a marginal framerate improvement at best, and only for certain games.

Anyway, I'm one of those holdouts that aren't switching to Windows 10 until Microsoft resolves certain "issues".
 
E:D will not benefit from W7 to W10, maybe if it used DX12, but it doesn't. It may actually make it run worse due to all the crap W10 runs in the background that you can't control.
 
I work in the IT industry and as such am able to access all the upto date gear, and some that's so upto date it's not been released yet. That said I have 2 machines on Windows 10 and all the others run 7,8 or Linux. Anything older than that I run as a hyper v or VMware machine.

Just to give you an idea of my computer OS nerdy news, I also run OS X on my Mac which is by no means current, and an Amiga on OS 4, I have a hyper v of everything that MS have made as an archive museum, old install discs from eBay are your friend there, and the crap we throw out at work.

My newest machine built specifically to play ED runs on 10. I did install it with 7 when I first built it and did some bench testing. I then installed 8, and did the same. Finally I installed 10. It runs faster on 10, boots in about 10 seconds, compared to 7 which takes nearly 30 seconds. There are a lot of technical differences under the hood so to speak in 10 but generally it's much less resource hungry.

There is a few things you need to turn off like the annoying feature where it can serve out your windows updates to your local network and other pc's on the internet, this feature eats bandwidth and it saves gigs of space on your hd, if you have an ssd that's important.

Why should I serve out updates to people I don't know on the Internet, just to save M$ bandwidth.

I also turned of Cortana, I don't use Siri on my IPhone, and never used the google voice search on phone or PCs so am not going to need it. Plus paranoia mode, it's set to listen to you if you have a mic on the pc, ready for questions, I don't like that. There's a bunch of stuff that can be disabled, much the same as in Windows 8 and 7 had some M$ snooping built in, agreed 10 has more.


Just for fun I installed it on one of my old PCs that came with 7 and due to the architecture was not able to properly run 7 after all it's updates. Windows 10 runs fine on it, it's useable again. So shows its able to teach an old dog new tricks.

It's not for everyone agreed but my experience with users is after a while they grow to like it, even the old crew who hated Windows xp when it came out. I remember deploying XP people hated it, the same people didn't want their XP stations to go when we sent out 7 to them years later, one even asked if he could keep it to take home. He was blown away when I showed him XP mode in 7 :)

One thing to note some of the old PCs drivers are still being updated in 10 where a system running 7 or 8 says there isn't an update.


My advise to anyone thinking about using 10, who's worried about the changes. Install one of the free Virtual machine platforms on your computer and install 10 onto it, you can try before you buy without a key, try it out to see if you like it.

As discussed here there are ways to get 10 free still, some of the manufacturer based Windows 7 and 8 keys are pre authorised for updates to 10 so you may not need to. Get a Windows key finder to check your key installed and compare it to the sticker on the machine. If they are different you'll likely have a corporate install which may be already authorised, the likes of Dell, HP and Fujitsu to name a few do this. The sticker key is there to licence the individual machine, and for reinstalls without the factory restore discs.


When it comes to change in the IT world I'm a bit of a stick in the mud, but now I'm on 10 I can't go back.
 
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There's nothing wrong with Windows 7. Elite doesn't take advantage of DX12 so there's no real benefit to upgrading to Windows 10.

Personally I don't like how much more snooping Win10 has compared to 7...

My PC has boot speed of about 10 seconds, on regular hard-drives. Elite starts in about the same. Only thing that's slow is Chrome, but that's because IT'S A RAM CONSUMING SON OF A THAT TAKES AN ADDED 15 SECONDS TO OPEN 6 TABS WHY DID I LEAVE YOU FIREFOX??!!

Any performance boosts that Win10 "offers" can probably be achieved by turning off "run at start" programs you don't need, and cleaning up some processes. I try to keep mine no more than 60 running.

Oh, and unparking cores.
 
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WOW win 7 is still being used! dump it and move to ten. I have been using pcs since win95 and have used all MSos. win 10 fastest, most stable os I have tried. also this one I idiot proof :)

I see Win10 doesn't have a grammar checker.

There are 2 problems with making things idiot proof:

1. It hampers the non-idiots
2. A better idiot always appears

Stick with Win7 - Win10 appears to be made for idiots - unless you are an idiot of course LOL
 
I have yet to see a DX 12 game run better than the same game with DX 11. Even Hitman, a game heavily optimized for DX12 did not have improvements.
Windows 10 gaming mode doesn't offer improvements to a high end system running a bare bones operating system. Maybe for someone using a system with limited resources running too many startup programs it will be an improvement.

The best argument for windows 10 is the Xbox library.

There have been quite a few problems with windows 10 patches. Anniversary update deleting linux partitions. Windows 10 anniversary update also opened up the same vulnerabilities that linux has, expect in this situation anti-virus isn't configured to handle linux files. A later patch introduced black screen/flickering when using SLI with 2 monitors (microsoft's solution is to unplug 1 monitor...) Windows 7 has a 10 year shelf life, which means microsoft will still provide security updates, despite saying that they have massive vulnerabilities and using scare tactics to try and force people to switch over.

Windows 10 is a spy platform. To be fair a lot of telemetry was added to windows 7 and 8 as well. It's just easier to remove the telemetry updates in windows 7 while windows 10 literally requires a host file and a lot of effort to keep it up to date. I could go on and on about this, but the bottom line is: If you don't care about your privacy and don't know what your computer is doing, 10 is a better operating system. If you want to play xbox games, 10 is a better operating system. If you want full control of your hardware and what is running on it, 10 is not the way to go.

Personally I prefer to control my computer, what runs on it and what it's doing. That option isn't available for windows 10. I might also be biased because of the windows 10 forced updates and shenanigans such as clicking X continued to install anyways. I found it ironic that right after windows 10 stopped being free, the roll back period was shortened from 1 month to 2 weeks. A lot of computers were updated with 10 and the update didn't go well. Ethernet drivers not functioning, master boot records getting corrupted, etc. I've spent a fair bit of time restoring systems that had 10 installed on an unsuspecting user. Make no mistake, Microsoft wouldn't have pushed 10 as hard as they did if they weren't collecting tons of information from it.
 
For ED specifically I doubt there's much benefit, but w10 is an overall faster and smoother experience (and w7 was already pretty good coming from 98 and XP), although you'll probably want to get rid of some of stuff phoning home and other unnecessary telemetry tools like that bloody compattelrunner.

And of course you can't beat free through the accessibility upgrade.
 
It has built-in witchcraft alright.
Your IT buddy gives good advice.
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I upgraded to Win10 for the VR voodoo magic witchcraft thing that this buddy was talking about.

I thought it was for supporting the XBOne wireless gamepad that came with my headset?
 
Every time I have to set up or fix someone's 10 machine I end up in the command line.
I never had to know anything about NETSH until 10 nerfed all the visibility of wifi set up.
Only thing I've seen that I go "Yes! QOL" is that cued pausable large file transfers thing in task manager.
Start menu, desktop environment, file navigation, wifi config - it all makes me gag a little.
 
Windows 10 is a spy platform. To be fair a lot of telemetry was added to windows 7 and 8 as well. It's just easier to remove the telemetry updates in windows 7 while windows 10 literally requires a host file and a lot of effort to keep it up to date.

You can disable most telemetry features. Everything that remains was already present in Win 7/8.

"But users don't know and just click express installation..."

If they don't know how to install windows they shouldn't do it. I don't try to fix the breaks of my car either.
 
He knows me well enough to know that I'd probably hate some key aspect of it. Besides, Microsoft spent months trying to push Windows 10 on me, and I don't respond to that kind of advertising.

Another IT guy here. Win 10 had some serious when it first came out, including security concerns as to what was being reported back to M$. Those have pretty much been sorted or can be disabled now, and it's otherwise a very smooth OS. The bottom line is that M$ will eventually stop supporting Win 7, and they've said that Win 10 will be the last windows platform they do, with just an endless stream of updates to it. Sooner or later you're going to have to bite the bullet if you want to stay current & secure.
 
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There's no significant advantage to Win10 over Win7 in terms of DX11 performance. There's a new feature releasing soon which will enable you to put Win10 into some kind of "game mode," but details on that are somewhat thin on the ground, and I doubt it will offer significant performance improvements on a high-end machine.

The only thing you definitely need windows 10 for is DX12, which E:D doesn't use.

Other than that, Win10 boots a lot quicker than 7 on an SSD.

Quicker!!??? Holy moly, it's pretty darned fast at the mo!! Seriously,, by how much quicker?
 
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