I know this is a fast moving thread, but Manticore has made his point so succinctly in this post. Could you please crawl up the quote to give that post the "likes" it deservesO.k. if you're serious about wanting this information anyway I'll put out a short analysis:
1. Frontier has, over time made representations (given information) that Odyssey would be available for consoles as part of the Elite franchise and IP.
2. A consumer buys EDH (folded now to just ED) for their console because there is a presumption that Odyssey is going to be available at some point in time. (This could be very difficult for Frontier to defend against as it can't be proved that anyone who bought ED after the announcement of coming Odyssey didn't buy it with the anticipation of the Odyssey being delivered at some stage. Additionally the menu screen, at least for the PS4 version I have, has a patch/update identifier that states "Odyssey Compatibility Update" which has been there as long as I can recall that further reinforces the presumption that Odyssey is coming to the consoles).
3. The representations made by Frontier on console stores are now unfulfilled because Odyssey DLC for console and ED console support has been withdrawn which could create an impression that Frontier's representations were false and misleading console customers who bought the game after the announcements that Odyssey was going to come to consoles. (How long ago was that now?)
The above could be construed as a breach of Consumer Law in the relevant jurisdiction (UK). Therefore there is a potential cause of action that may argue for restitution (refunds).
If someone thinks the above hypothetical fits their current position as a consumer of Frontier's products:
Contact the consumer service
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Sony Playstation also has a European office I believe.
.... and I'm done I think.
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I've been playing this on PS4 since 2017 and loved the detail and realism of it, it's not a game I'd normally go for, so this is very sad news.
However, if Frontier could make it so we can transfer our whole PS4/XBOX account of the game to PC (credits, ships, engineering; basically the save state as is) I will get a gaming laptop just to continue playing this.
I couldn't play it though if it means losing all my ships, engineering etc, too much love put into my corvette alone! Please consider this Fdev.
However, if Frontier could make it so we can transfer our whole PS4/XBOX account of the game to PC (credits, ships, engineering; basically the save state as is) I will get a gaming laptop just to continue playing this.
I couldn't play it though if it means losing all my ships, engineering etc, too much love put into my corvette alone! Please consider this Fdev.
Yes he puts his point well, unfortunately its completely flawed as far as UK Law goes.
Do you really think Fdevs Legal team didn't look at this?
O7
To put the internet not-actually-a-lawyer argument for the defence:
Summary: Frontier's actions are upsetting, disappointing, worrying, angering, and a whole bunch of other stuff too. They're not illegal.
1) The console players bought Horizons, which was sold as Horizons. They were delivered Horizons. Frontier will argue that the dreams of playing Odyssey later have no tangible value, as many people have bought Horizons for the same price with no intent of playing Odyssey, that Horizons has value in and of itself to the amount charged, etc. etc.
2) Anyone wanting to play Odyssey but not Horizons on console has no reason not to wait until Odyssey was delivered to buy that. Frontier will then drag out your play time records in Horizons as evidence that you at least weren't solely motivated by Odyssey availability, but also wished to have access to Horizons, which you still do. So any sort of refund is highly unlikely unless you bought Horizons but didn't actually play it at all - in which case, just go get the refund from your sales platform. (Buying any ARX for Horizons content damages your case here because it shows you enjoy and get value out of Horizons in itself!)
3) The maximum you could even implausibly claim as damages would be the amount you paid for Horizons. No actual lawyer is going to get out of bed for that little, so you need to represent yourself. Remember that there is a chance - if you mess up your case dramatically - that the judge may award costs against you, and then you'll have to pay for Frontier's lawyers too (highly unlikely in normal court operation, but in normal court operation you'd be represented by a competent lawyer who'd not bring the case that far if that was a likely outcome).
4) There is absolutely no chance that UK law - we're a business-friendly jurisdiction, in the sense that we allow businesses to operate! - can be construed such that on the shutdown of an ongoing service, people who had previously paid for and used that service while active without complaint get refunds for that too. There's no "Bob's MMO has closed after three years, all purchases get refunded" precedent or law for very obvious reason. So if actually removing the service entirely wouldn't be in general grounds for a refund, deciding not to provide a not-yet-paid-for enhancement for it won't either.
5) Even in the event that your case succeeded, Frontier could declare that it had restarted console development, and therefore was delivering your dreams of being able to play Odyssey in future again. This could be one developer, one hour a week, expected delivery date 2175 - because they stated back in July that they were switching from "expected date" to "indefinite delay" on the console release, and you didn't raise a claim then (See point 2, you'd better not have played since then!) - so you've already shown, especially if your purchase was after 12 July, you're not paying for an actual target date, just the dream that it's possible in future.
NO because as far as im aware arm chair lawyering is frowned upon on the forums.
Timeline that might come in handy...
Elite Dangerous for PC was released in December 2014.
Elite Dangerous for Xbox was released December 2015.
Horizons expansion for PC was released December 2015
Horizons expansion for Xbox was released in December 2016.
Elite Dangerous including Horizons for PS4 was released in June 2017.
Horizons becomes a free update in October 2020.
Odyssey announced in June 2020
Odyssey released on PC in May 2021.
Please correct it if you spot errors.
Edit: Added Horizons to PS4 release.
Elite Dangerous for PC was released in December 2014.
Elite Dangerous for Xbox was released December 2015.
Horizons expansion for PC was released December 2015
Horizons expansion for Xbox was released in December 2016.
Elite Dangerous including Horizons for PS4 was released in June 2017.
Horizons becomes a free update in October 2020.
Odyssey announced in June 2020
Odyssey released on PC in May 2021.
Please correct it if you spot errors.
Edit: Added Horizons to PS4 release.
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I played both Elite 2 and FFE just fine without issues on performane with Atari 520ST in the 90´s, think I remember Atari version were praised as a best version of FFE by the computer gaming magazines, even better than PC port...
Pretty sure I played FFE on Amiga 500 also, later on.
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FFE was never released on the Amiga, it was DOS, Windows only. Here is a nice page detailing the history of the game...
http://www.jades.org/whatsffe.htm
This extract should have warned of future events...
History repeating itself I guess.
I´m sure they checked their lawyers before making this announcement, so that there will not be any financial setbacks, what company would not?
Pretty sure this is also a reason in this constantly developed game, why they don´t give out more than very vague information and estimations about game developement (like putting "delayed so far unknown time" at console EDO), so that they can not be taken to court for not delivering what were "promised".
Ignorance is bliss. I don’t know the difficulties in porting a game from one platform to another but after reading this article from pc gamer
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/why-porting-games-to-pc-is-hard/
I can see why Frontier have had so many issues with the game.
I don’t believe it’s the end for Elite as has been suggested in previous posts, I do believe frontier had every intention of bringing the game to console but can’t (and here’s the thing, I don’t think it matters why they can’t) and I sincerely hope Fdev can port our commander profiles over to pc. I know I don’t have the passion or time required to re-do my progress to date on the PC version.
I’ve great fun since alpha on Xbox, had more value for money in this game than any other in my 40 years of buying and playing games so other than disappointment I’m good. Keep your chins up people, as one door closes, another will open. Hang in there Fdev community team, the darkest hour is just before the dawn. 07
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/why-porting-games-to-pc-is-hard/
I can see why Frontier have had so many issues with the game.
I don’t believe it’s the end for Elite as has been suggested in previous posts, I do believe frontier had every intention of bringing the game to console but can’t (and here’s the thing, I don’t think it matters why they can’t) and I sincerely hope Fdev can port our commander profiles over to pc. I know I don’t have the passion or time required to re-do my progress to date on the PC version.
I’ve great fun since alpha on Xbox, had more value for money in this game than any other in my 40 years of buying and playing games so other than disappointment I’m good. Keep your chins up people, as one door closes, another will open. Hang in there Fdev community team, the darkest hour is just before the dawn. 07
Odyssey would also not form part of any agreement in the EULA, so there is no reasonable argument for damages to be attributed. There is no enforceable agreement to say Frontier would deliver Odyssey on console (if anyone thinks otherwise- show me).
You've as much chance of getting money back as you would in the case of a game update that made a change you didn't like, so any legal talk is utterly pointless and either an attempt to mislead people or shows a lack of knowledge of legal process.
Porting shouldn't be difficult nowadays, as long as the game is based on the right engine 
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My energy provider went bust a few months ago. I demand for all the money I paid to them for the electricity I've used over the last 5 years I was with them to be returned to me!
Kind of a deal. Not 1-2-1 exactly, but at the high level it's the same level of absurdity.
Not many suggesting they're illegal, just a really bad idea.
I've given up trying to keep up with everything in this thread but I've seen a number of people giving their total hours played and saying it's now all been wasted.
This made me curious about mine. So, according to the codex:
Hours played;
pc1= 2567
pc2= 394
pc3= 183
xb1= 857
xB2= 40
Total= 4041
Or, if my maths are correct. Approximately 1.2% of my life so far.
Whatever happens to Elite in the future I will never consider that wasted time as it's given me great pleasure.
Many thanks to the entire team at Frontier who have made that possible.
This made me curious about mine. So, according to the codex:
Hours played;
pc1= 2567
pc2= 394
pc3= 183
xb1= 857
xB2= 40
Total= 4041
Or, if my maths are correct. Approximately 1.2% of my life so far.
Whatever happens to Elite in the future I will never consider that wasted time as it's given me great pleasure.
Many thanks to the entire team at Frontier who have made that possible.
I've played Elite Dangerous about 30min in total on my Xbox Series X. I have no salt to mine. Just show me the money new ships.
Unknown, your guess is as good as anyones outside of FDev. We'll find out in due course.