I think you forget about cosmetics, earned and bought. If I was in this unfortunate situation I'd most definitely want those..
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stormyuk
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If cosmetics are the only 'contractual' thing blocking transfers I personally would happily leave mine behind on PlayStation.
The 'progress' data I really can't see how Sony or MS could have any legal right to block that moving over.
I can view it all in inara!!
Financially if there even is an issue. It's about the store items. There might be no issue at all. I guess unless Frontier tell us we will never know.
This account transfer business is rapidly heading into same old story territory.
"We're looking into it!"
... <long silence> ...
'We've no news yet, but we'll tell you as soon as we have!"
... <long silence> ...
"Sorry, we've thought about it really hard honest, ...but we can't do it"
"We're looking into it!"
... <long silence> ...
'We've no news yet, but we'll tell you as soon as we have!"
... <long silence> ...
"Sorry, we've thought about it really hard honest, ...but we can't do it"
If they want, they will be able to, and then a PC version will be bought again.
With the Spand on the Playstation was played there and also buy additional things.
If they don't want to then I'm no longer 100% too old to ride a tethered horse on console.
Will not start again on the PC then just games from other providers in the future.
With the Spand on the Playstation was played there and also buy additional things.
If they don't want to then I'm no longer 100% too old to ride a tethered horse on console.
Will not start again on the PC then just games from other providers in the future.
Microsoft Flight Simulator runs on XBox (and it could run on PS5 if not for "politics").
Thing is, all our CMDR data, including entitlements, such as: Unlocks, Credits, ARX, etc. Is stored on FDev's servers under a unique ID accociated with a Frontier account. There is literally no reason that they can't have one of the options below.
(Option: A)
An account on PC can be linked to an existing ID in their system using your console log in data from whatever console you're from and elect to import a save overwriting the PC account save. Doing this will wipe your Console CMDR to avoid alts and or duping of assets. Would require MS and Sony to allow account linking for verification of account owner unless using "Option: B" to verify owner. This is for people who just want to nuke their PC account in favor of their old Console account so they don't need to buy a third copy of ED.
(Option: B)
Add an option to the console menu, "Import Save". This allows you to create a new profile on PC that is an exact clone of your console save allowing you to log in using the Frontier Launcher on PC. Doing this will also wipe your Console CMDR to avoid alts and or duping of assets. Would require you to enter an email address to tie the ID to and a new password for the account as well. You'd then need to login to Frontier's website using the generated account and purchase a PC licence of ED and it's expansions (hopefully discounted... or have base ED and Horizons free to migrating users) to play ED.
For those going on and on about legal issues, that would only apply to cross progression, cross play, and cross save. Save transfers are their own thing as it's just FDev's data involved. As for usernames, the only real issue would be duplicate names causing player confusion.
(Option: A)
An account on PC can be linked to an existing ID in their system using your console log in data from whatever console you're from and elect to import a save overwriting the PC account save. Doing this will wipe your Console CMDR to avoid alts and or duping of assets. Would require MS and Sony to allow account linking for verification of account owner unless using "Option: B" to verify owner. This is for people who just want to nuke their PC account in favor of their old Console account so they don't need to buy a third copy of ED.
(Option: B)
Add an option to the console menu, "Import Save". This allows you to create a new profile on PC that is an exact clone of your console save allowing you to log in using the Frontier Launcher on PC. Doing this will also wipe your Console CMDR to avoid alts and or duping of assets. Would require you to enter an email address to tie the ID to and a new password for the account as well. You'd then need to login to Frontier's website using the generated account and purchase a PC licence of ED and it's expansions (hopefully discounted... or have base ED and Horizons free to migrating users) to play ED.
For those going on and on about legal issues, that would only apply to cross progression, cross play, and cross save. Save transfers are their own thing as it's just FDev's data involved. As for usernames, the only real issue would be duplicate names causing player confusion.
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Well if anyone would have a copy of the exact text of Frontier developments contracts with third parties, and first hand knowledge of internal meeting at Frontier, it would be a member of the Jameson Family. Thanks for clearing all that up for us. If there's literally no reason not to offer either of those options then Arf must be about to announce save transfers
Next thing to sort out is, when are you going to offer G5 SCB blueprints?
Nice troll. I'll bite.
When it comes to most online titles all of your save data, things like: purchases, unlocks, character data, etc. are stored server side. To verify that is exactly what's going on here, you only need to look at the option to wipe your own save. That button sends a request to FDev to reset your data to the default state on their server.
As for their abillity to clone a profile, one needs to look at how they handle the beta environment or more specifically the way they "snapshot" everyones accounts before the beta period.
On to the third party agreements, FDev own their own data. They can do with it as they please. MS and Sony already got their cut with a percentage of money spent on purchasing ARX and ED as well as its expansion. MS and Sony only own the accounts that access ED not the CMDR data of ED itself, nor the ARX, nor the things bought with ARX. When you log in to ED your MS or Sony console is logging in to a seperate account tied to CMDR data. It's the same as how Warframe does its log in cycle.
Regarding G5 SCBs? Suffer.
All assumption, presented as fact, you don't know any more than anyone else.
I actually agree with you, in part, there is likely little to no technical reason the data can't be transferred. Yet Frontier aren't doing it. Why?
Either 1) its out of spite because they hate console players even more than they hate money, or, 2) there is another factor preventing it that we, as players, are not aware of.
I don't know what that something is (because I don't believe it's option 1). Having dealt with contractual issues involving big corporations where simple non-contracted issues don't get sorted because no one is willing to rock the boat and risk the wrath of the beancounters for incurring unreclaimable costs or even worse - set a precedent, when I apply Occam's Razor, contractual issues feel like the most likely.
What you wrote about third party agreements is, from the developers perspective, what the contract should say. All that matters though, is what it does say.
I could be wrong, but so far I've not heard any alternative explanations that, to me, seem more likely.
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It could well be that they have “dumped” players because they’re running down ED to focus on their big F1 and Jurassic World titles? Why try and keep players in a game when potentially the game has a limited future? Today they have announced the suspension of streams again.
I’m probably wrong but it appears to me that it’s all about saving money.
stormyuk
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I actually agree with much of your post. ARX (paid for) and potentially cosmetics already paid for might be the only sticking point.
There is precedent with Epic / Sony where Epic actually pay Sony to allow cross save on Fortnite due to what Sony believes is a potential loss of revenue with people not spending £/€/$ on the PlayStation store for cosmetics. (Fortnite has a big player base on PlayStation, or it did).
Having said that its honestly my belief that loss of revenue for Sony with Elite Dangerous (which is effectively discontinued from future updates such as Odyssey) is minimal. Sony won't lose revenue of people buying Odyssey on PlayStation because it's not going to be launched and I doubt many people will be spending much on ARX on the PlayStation store at this point.
Hopefully Frontier will at some point sort this out.
That did also cross my mind, but if that were the case, why come clean about ending console development? If they're stringing some of us along why not all? Can't be ruled out, but I still think it's unlikely.
Whatever plans they do have may still fail in the end, but I do believe that they believe they can turn things around.
Hopefully they're capable of doing so.
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I don’t recall them encouraging us to play on PC? Even if they had offered existing console players a discounted copy of EDO and 10,000 free ARX it would have been something.
Post in thread 'Console accounts transfer to PC'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/console-accounts-transfer-to-pc.600256/post-9826103
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/console-accounts-transfer-to-pc.600256/post-9826103
I'm surely unfortunately and almost certainly beating a dead horse into an unidentifiable paste on the floor at this stage, however in particular Obsidian Ant's latest video, along with some of general discussion on the future of the game and the news of some new announcement from Frontier, I made the following post on his video which I feel like sharing here, in the vain hope that one of the Devs reads it and by some miracle I help to save the game by posting it!
Anyway, here goes:-
My biggest hope is that they'll announce that they made a terrible mistake when they announced that they were abandoning console development and with the direction they were taking the game in general.
I hope they'll commit to release the game on "next gen" consoles, which will launch with full Odyssey support and while they might have to hold off releasing Odyssey for "last gen", until it's fully optimised and will run well on PS4 and Xbox One, but promise that they WILL NOT abandon a large section of their community.
Furthermore, they will hopefully say, while they're committed to making Odyssey fully work in its' current form, they realise that it's not the direction that they should have been taking the entire game...
They are very happy to announce that in six months to one year, they will release a new expansion which focuses heavily on expanding and improving ship based gameplay, in particular in terms of exploration, trade and player engagement in how they affect and experience the games' story and interact with each other...
The new expansion will nearly double the amount of ships in the game, introduce new ship types and increase the number of available modules by more than one third.
Say that all these changes will build the game into something that the community embraces for generations to come!
In short, I want the vision that we were sold of the possible game Elite could be to come true
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Anyway, here goes:-
My biggest hope is that they'll announce that they made a terrible mistake when they announced that they were abandoning console development and with the direction they were taking the game in general.
I hope they'll commit to release the game on "next gen" consoles, which will launch with full Odyssey support and while they might have to hold off releasing Odyssey for "last gen", until it's fully optimised and will run well on PS4 and Xbox One, but promise that they WILL NOT abandon a large section of their community.
Furthermore, they will hopefully say, while they're committed to making Odyssey fully work in its' current form, they realise that it's not the direction that they should have been taking the entire game...
They are very happy to announce that in six months to one year, they will release a new expansion which focuses heavily on expanding and improving ship based gameplay, in particular in terms of exploration, trade and player engagement in how they affect and experience the games' story and interact with each other...
The new expansion will nearly double the amount of ships in the game, introduce new ship types and increase the number of available modules by more than one third.
Say that all these changes will build the game into something that the community embraces for generations to come!
In short, I want the vision that we were sold of the possible game Elite could be to come true
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If you are a console player and do not already have a gaming PC I would be very careful about spending the money for one if you don't want to. I spent upwards of $5000.00 to play this game in VR. Along comes ODY, not at launch they said. Still not one tap has been turned on VR. Be aware that FD will lie to you about many things. Right now they are talking about account transfers I would not spend one thin dime on this till they actually turn the crank on it. Right now they are saying they will but you never know with FD anymore.
I do wish Frontier would say one way or the other if Horizons is going to be replaced with Odyssey Lite. Imagine buying a lower-end gaming PC with the perfect specs for Horizons, only to have Horizons replaced with the much more demanding Odyssey Lite a week later.
On the other hand, it sounds like most people abandoning console for PC are doing so because they want Odyssey, so I guess they'll be buying a new PC with the much higher minimum specs (though they better get those specs from the forum rather than Frontier's website).
From what I have heard there is no chance for a ODY LITE but good luck.