Construction requirements matrix

[limpetdwarf]

The requirements are totally ridiculous. Who would ever want to do that grind, especially since what they do all the work for ends up taken over by one of the rdiculous, oboslete, irrelevant factions that are at every place. And when you have something built, you can't even run it or somehow use it. Why have something built that's totally use- and pointless? It's only grinding for the sake of grinding.

Over 50k to hollow out an asteroid? The developers have now become totally insane and delusional.

 

[SteveWW57]

Building an industrial outpost, tonnage required has gone up. E.G CMM comp 3912 to 4399. Other mats are similar.

 

[Zador]

Building an industrial outpost, tonnage required has gone up. E.G CMM comp 3912 to 4399. Other mats are similar.

The spreadsheet is a guide to which commodities are needed and rough amounts, but for some reason the developers include some additional variation in the amounts when you actually build. Not sure whether there are factors which influence the amounts or just random variation. I gave up making a spreadsheet for all builds for this reason and just have one where I fill out the actual amounts each time I build something.

 

[Tifu]

Building an industrial outpost, tonnage required has gone up. E.G CMM comp 3912 to 4399. Other mats are similar.

That's not bad, the first outpost you build that's a primary starport can cost 20-25% more.

 

[limpetdwarf]

Does that mean you never know what you might be getting into if you make a claim? Are claims that are cancled being refunded?

 

[SteveWW57]

That's not bad, the first outpost you build that's a primary starport can cost 20-25% more.

It's only a few thousand more tons and about half a dozen deliveries.

 

[Kzak]

Does that mean you never know what you might be getting into if you make a claim? Are claims that are cancled being refunded?

No refunds AFAIK.

 

[limpetdwarf]

No refunds AFAIK.

Thanks! So it's not only a useless grind but also a totally unpredictable one that forbids players to even to look into. What a multi-screwover

 

[SteveWW57]

Thanks! So it's not only a useless grind but also a totally unpredictable one that forbids players to even to look into. What a multi-screwover

Cost over runs on the pilot project. That's life.

 

[nemolomen]

Cost over runs on the pilot project. That's life.

And construction...

 

[Sevenperry]

If two identical build types are done next to each other, do they compliment each other, enhance productivity or just act like two times the first one?

Guess the main answer involves a plentiful supply of bio waste.

 

[Markov Chaney]

Nope the answer involves spreadsheets again, because it will depend - there are builds which have a fixed local-to-them market economy, there are builds that have an influence on other nearby builds (and we now know "nearby" is a very strict definition and a hint the definition may change) and there are builds which do at least one of the above AND provide "System Economy Influence."

And beyond that, you will have (presumably) the buffs and nerfs on the sliders, applied twice, which might then have other secondary effects, like for instance it might bump you over "Shipyard" TL all of a sudden.

EDIT: There's another thread for that, this thread is about Tiers. The other thread: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...hat-all-these-numbers-do.634214/post-10589685

 

[Lee Archer]

Here are commodities requirements for all construction types

OUTPOSTS	Outpost commercial	Outpost industrial	Outpost criminal	Outpost civilian	Outpost scientific	Outpost military
Ceramic composites	497​	497​	497​	497​	497​	497​
CMM composite	3912​	3912​	3912​	3912​	3912​	3912​
Computer components	50​	50​	50​	50​	50​	50​
Copper	218​	218​	218​	218​	218​	218​
Food cartridgers	94​	94​	94​	94​	94​	94​
Fruit and vegetables	50​	50​	50​	50​	50​	50​
Insulating membrane	311​	311​	311​	311​	311​	311​
Liquid oxygen	1553​	1553​	1553​	1553​	1553​	1553​
Medical diagnostic equipment	13​	13​	13​	13​	13​	13​
Non-lethal weapons	13​	13​	13​	13​	13​	13​
Polymers	497​	497​	497​	497​	497​	497​
Power generators	19​	19​	19​	19​	19​	19​
Semiconductors	56​	56​	56​	56​	56​	56​
Steel	5588​	5588​	5588​	5588​	5588​	5588​
Superconductors	100​	100​	100​	100​	100​	100​
Titanium	4843​	4843​	4843​	4843​	4843​	4843​
Water	621​	621​	621​	621​	621​	621​
Water purifiers	38​	38​	38​	38​	38​	38​
TOTAL	18473​	18473​	18473​	18473​	18473​	18473​

STARPORTS	Coriolis	Asteroid	Ocellus	Orbis
Aluminum	10055​	10055​	40220​	40220​
Ceramic composites	1207​	1207​	4828​	4828​
CMM composite	11261​	11261​	45044​	45044​
Computer components	145​	145​	290​	290​
Copper	644​	644​	2576​	2576​
Food cartridgers	242​	242​	484​	484​
Fruit and vegetables	145​	145​	290​	290​
Insulating membrane	644​	644​	1288​	1288​
Liquid oxygen	3781​	3781​	15124​	15124​
Medical diagnostic equipment	25​	25​	50​	50​
Non-lethal weapons	25​	25​	50​	50​
Polymers	1046​	1046​	2092​	2092​
Power generators	65​	65​	130​	130​
Semiconductors	161​	161​	322​	322​
Steel	14076​	14076​	56304​	56304​
Superconductors	282​	282​	564​	564​
Titanium	8205​	8205​	32820​	32820​
Water	1609​	1609​	6436​	6436​
Water purifiers	105​	105​	210​	210​
TOTAL	53723​	53723​	209122​	209122​

INSTALLATIONS

Satellite

Communication station

Space farm

Pirate base

Mining outpost

Relay station

Military installation

Security station

Government installation

Medical installation

Research station

Tourist

Bar

Advanced catalysers

44​

Agri-medicines

115​

Aluminum

1322​

1322​

842​

1233​

921​

1033​

1317​

1774​

1959​

1357​

1380​

1269​

1217​

Animal meat

78​

38​

Basic medicines

24​

50​

13​

Battle weapons

23​

30​

19​

Beer

380​

389​

497​

Bioreducing lichen

172​

Biowaste

153​

Ceramic composites

85​

85​

77​

95​

86​

98​

238​

122​

154​

155​

157​

130​

125​

CMM composite

356​

Coffee

130​

63​

Combat stabilisers

48​

25​

19​

Computer components

22​

22​

12​

19​

13​

25​

42​

31​

13​

31​

38​

13​

13​

Copper

85​

85​

46​

57​

52​

88​

131​

122​

93​

112​

126​

78​

75​

Crop harvesters

77​

Fish

39​

19​

Food cartridgers

26​

26​

46​

61​

52​

30​

107​

37​

93​

75​

76​

Fruit and vegetables

9​

9​

69​

16​

18​

10​

48​

13​

37​

50​

26​

65​

38​

Geological equipment

26​

26​

Grain

92​

H.E. Suits

13​

25​

32​

Insulating membrane

106​

106​

192​

95​

129​

122​

178​

183​

247​

309​

314​

259​

249​

Liquid oxygen

678​

678​

1071​

911​

1028​

780​

1424​

1458​

1479​

1727​

1506​

1813​

1738​

Liquor

228​

195​

311​

Medical diagnostic equipment

99​

51​

Micro Controllers

13​

13​

18​

13​

Military grade fabrics

36​

19​

Muon imager

43​

38​

Non-lethal weapons

19​

13​

Pesticides

123​

Polymers

170​

170​

230​

190​

215​

195​

416​

243​

370​

371​

377​

324​

311​

Power generators

9​

9​

8​

8​

9​

10​

18​

13​

13​

19​

13​

13​

13​

Reactive armor

23​

30​

Resonating separators

22​

Robotics

60​

Semiconductors

34​

34​

39​

51​

Steel

2542​

2542​

1912​

1707​

2141​

2437​

2966​

3645​

3080​

3084​

3136​

2589​

2483​

Superconductors

60​

60​

59​

88​

Tea

259​

187​

Titanium

1525​

1525​

1453​

1594​

1628​

1755​

2373​

2309​

2341​

2282​

2383​

1813​

1738​

Water

22​

22​

173​

65​

73​

25​

238​

31​

154​

278​

157​

324​

311​

Water purifiers

13​

13​

31​

16​

22​

15​

42​

19​

31​

38​

38​

39​

38​

Wine

259​

621​

TOTAL

6721​

6721​

6607​

6721​

6723​

6721​

10080​

10082​

10077​

10081​

10039​

10078​

10085​

PLANETARY PORT	Outpost Civilian	Outpost Industrial	Outpost Scientific	Planetary port
Aluminum	7047​	7047​	7047​	42282​
Building fabricators	407​	407​	407​	2442​
Ceramic composites	814​	814​	814​	4884​
CMM composite	6776​	6776​	6776​	40656​
Computer components	102​	102​	102​	408​
Copper	407​	407​	407​	2442​
Emergency power cells	68​	68​	68​	272​
Evacuation shelter	204​	204​	204​	816​
Food cartridgers	136​	136​	136​	544​
Fruit and vegetables	95​	95​	95​	380​
Land enrichment systems	68​	68​	68​	272​
Liquid oxygen	2372​	2372​	2372​	14232​
Medical diagnostic equipment	48​	48​	48​	192​
Non-lethal weapons	34​	34​	34​	136​
Polymers	678​	678​	678​	2712​
Power generators	68​	68​	68​	272​
Semiconductors	102​	102​	102​	408​
Steel	10164​	10164​	10164​	60984​
Structural regulators	678​	678​	678​	2712​
Superconductors	136​	136​	136​	544​
Surface stabilisers	610​	610​	610​	3660​
Survival equipment	55​	55​	55​	220​
Titanium	5760​	5760​	5760​	34560​
TOTAL	36829​	36829​	36829​	216030​

PLANETARY SETTLEMENT

Settlement agricultural small

Settlement agricultural medium

Settlement agricultural large

Settlement extraction small

Settlement extraction medium

Settlement extraction large

Settlement industrial small

Settlement industrial medium

Settlement industrial large

Settlement military small

Settlement military medium

Settlement military large

Settlement research bio small

Settlement research bio medium

Settlement research bio large

Settlement tourism small

Settlement tourism medium

Settlement tourism large

Advanced catalysers

41​

82​

123​

95​

190​

285​

Agri-medicines

Aluminum

559​

1118​

1677​

632​

1264​

1896​

585​

1170​

1755​

593​

1186​

1779​

607​

1214​

1821​

509​

1018​

1527​

Animal meat

71​

142​

213​

Basic medicines

36​

72​

108​

14​

28​

42​

Battle weapons

24​

48​

72​

Beer

311​

622​

933​

Bioreducing lichen

162​

324​

486​

Biowaste

280​

560​

840​

Building fabricators

42​

84​

126​

59​

118​

177​

55​

110​

165​

60​

120​

180​

54​

108​

162​

29​

58​

87​

Ceramic composites

28​

56​

84​

59​

118​

177​

55​

110​

165​

60​

120​

180​

41​

82​

123​

43​

86​

129​

CMM composite

356​

712​

1068​

Coffee

71​

142​

213​

Combat stabilisers

36​

72​

108​

Computer components

14​

28​

42​

30​

60​

90​

28​

56​

84​

42​

84​

126​

41​

82​

123​

15​

30​

45​

Copper

21​

42​

63​

30​

60​

90​

28​

56​

84​

30​

60​

90​

34​

68​

102​

22​

44​

66​

Crop harvesters

210​

420​

630​

Emergency power cells

84​

168​

252​

96​

192​

288​

28​

56​

84​

24​

48​

72​

27​

54​

81​

15​

30​

45​

Evacuation shelter

14​

28​

42​

30​

60​

90​

21​

42​

63​

36​

72​

108​

27​

54​

81​

22​

44​

66​

Fish

36​

72​

108​

Food cartridgers

42​

84​

126​

45​

90​

135​

41​

82​

123​

36​

72​

108​

41​

82​

123​

Fruit and vegetables

63​

126​

189​

30​

60​

90​

28​

56​

84​

24​

48​

72​

27​

54​

81​

71​

142​

213​

Geological equipment

52​

104​

156​

27​

54​

81​

Grain

77​

154​

231​

H.E. Suits

15​

30​

45​

14​

28​

42​

27​

54​

81​

Insulating membrane

Land enrichment systems

70​

140​

210​

Liquid oxygen

224​

448​

672​

177​

354​

531​

272​

544​

816​

172​

344​

516​

351​

702​

1053​

227​

454​

681​

Liquor

128​

256​

384​

Medical diagnostic equipment

41​

82​

123​

Microbial furnaces

82​

164​

246​

Micro Controllers

14​

28​

42​

12​

24​

36​

14​

28​

42​

Military grade fabrics

24​

48​

72​

Mineral extractors

164​

328​

492​

Muon imager

45​

90​

135​

95​

190​

285​

Non-lethal weapons

Pesticides

126​

252​

378​

Polymers

91​

182​

273​

118​

236​

354​

109​

218​

327​

119​

238​

357​

115​

230​

345​

114​

228​

342​

Power generators

Reactive armor

24​

48​

72​

Resonating separators

14​

28​

42​

Robotics

59​

118​

177​

55​

110​

165​

Semiconductors

14​

28​

42​

21​

42​

63​

Steel

768​

1536​

2304​

1028​

2056​

3084​

1019​

2038​

3057​

949​

1898​

2847​

945​

1890​

2835​

707​

1414​

2121​

Structural regulators

56​

112​

168​

74​

148​

222​

68​

136​

204​

101​

202​

303​

81​

162​

243​

57​

114​

171​

Superconductors

14​

28​

42​

21​

42​

63​

Surface stabilisers

56​

112​

168​

89​

178​

267​

68​

136​

204​

60​

120​

180​

81​

162​

243​

57​

114​

171​

Survival equipment

14​

28​

42​

15​

30​

45​

14​

28​

42​

24​

48​

72​

14​

28​

42​

15​

30​

45​

Tea

170​

340​

510​

Thermal cooling units

14​

28​

42​

Titanium

Water

Water purifiers

Wine

156​

312​

468​

TOTAL

2839​

5678​

8517​

2845​

5690​

8535​

2804​

5608​

8412​

2842​

5684​

8526​

2746​

5492​

8238​

2690​

5380​

8070​

PLANETARY HUB	Extraction hub	Civilian hub	Exploration hub	Outpost hub	Scientific hub	Military hub	Refinery hub	Hightech hub	Industrial hub
Advanced catalysers					170​		112​
Agri-medicines		235​
Aluminum	2352​	2433​	2483​	2797​	2581​	2414​	2697​	2512​	2407​
Basic medicines					72​	109​
Battle weapons						42​
Bioreducing lichen	714​
Biowaste		630​
Building fabricators	210​	84​	89​	290​	178​	333​	233​	135​	208​
Ceramic composites	252​	126​	134​	145​	223​	375​	279​	225​	249​
CMM composite						333​		270​	166​
Combat stabilisers						25​
Computer components	38​	21​	49​	25​	67​	75​	42​	68​	38​
Copper	84​	68​	178​	78​	112​	105​	93​	113​	83​
Crop harvesters		210​
Emergency power cells	42​	42​	45​	49​	63​	63​	47​	59​	42​
Evacuation shelter	51​	68​	36​	49​	36​	75​	56​	45​	50​
Food cartridgers	51​	68​	54​	174​	54​	125​	56​	54​	50​
Fruit and vegetables	34​	42​	36​	87​	36​	42​	38​	36​	34​
Geological equipment	210​		621​		401​
H.E. Suits	126​		249​		156​		117​		83​
Land enrichment systems		126​
Medical diagnostic equipment					161​
Microbial furnaces									415​
Micro Controllers					49​	55​		90​	50​
Military grade fabrics						42​
Mineral extractors									415​
Muon imager	160​				107​
Pesticides		378​
Polymers	672​	630​	666​	724​	712​	708​	744​	673​	664​
Power generators	26​	26​	32​	25​	36​	38​	28​	27​	25​
Reactive armor						42​
Resonating separators							84​
Robotics	252​						419​	449​	332​
Semiconductors					72​			108​	75​
Steel	3359​	3775​	3547​	4051​	3560​	3746​	3720​	3768​	3320​
Structural regulators	504​	336​	267​	338​	445​	542​	465​	404​	498​
Superconductors					72​			108​	75​
Surface stabilisers	756​	588​	1419​	1061​	534​	583​	558​	539​	498​
Survival equipment	26​	38​	18​	29​	27​	50​	28​	27​	25​
Thermal cooling units							103​	211​	117​
TOTAL	9919​	9689​	9923​	9922​	9754​	9922​	9807​	9921​	9919​

Thanks for your excellent work. Do you have any comments on the work flow for quick system startups for solo architects?

 

[Vasja]

I found CMDR Mechan videos very informative on this topic. Also check DaftMav spreadsheet on https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...truction-spreadsheet-is-now-available.635762/
I only have one system so far and I started with industry outpost. After that I added some settlements and installations and currently am constructing orbis station.
If you are solo start with outpost

 

[limpetdwarf]

Cost over runs on the pilot project. That's life.

That's outright stupid. It's not like the costs change because deliveries get attacked by pirates or by unforeseeable factors during the process. You're paying to be allowed to grind for nothing and you can't even see in advance how much grinding is involved, and when you decide you don't want to do it because the grinding is too much, you lose all your money. That's merely a scam.

Imagine what construction companies in real life would answer to a proposal like that, if they even give an answer. They don't work for nothing to begin with and may or may not do extra work and if they do, they still don't work for free. They have their resources scheduled and tied up for the next project; and when more work is required, they might not do it because they may get fined when they don't do the next project in time. If you want them to operate like that, you'll have to pay for it, and still they might not do it for all the money in the world because there aren't so many people able to do the work. I don't know where you live, but it's reality here. Even supermarkets are partly closed here because they can't find the employees they would need so you can't buy meat anymore even if you could afford it.

 

[zZCannonFoddaZz]

Hopefully someone can answer this? Do construction points gained from building in one system carry over into a new claim or are they only for use in the system you earned them in?
Thanks.

 

[Tifu]

Hopefully someone can answer this? Do construction points gained from building in one system carry over into a new claim or are they only for use in the system you earned them in?
Thanks.

Only in the system where you earned them.

 

[zZCannonFoddaZz]

Only in the system where you earned them.

Thanks that’s what I guessed it would be.

 

[Jack Schitt]

Well, this is definitely a thread I wish I'd read before experimenting with Colonisation.

Having come back from the deep for the recent CG I thought I'd finally dip my toes into this new feature, so I found an unclaimed system close to one of my regular haunts; very basic, just two stars, no planets, and four slots for orbitals.

The first problem was that either the Tier system is broken, or my understanding of it is. I have no Construction Points that I'm aware of (where do I even find them listed?) yet the game seemed happy for me to pick a Tier 2 Coriolis as my Primary Port. Perhaps I should have erred on the side of caution since this is technically a beta, but the commodity requirements for the Coriolis didn't seem much higher than those for a basic Military Outpost, and just about within my means if I dedicated a few hours a week for the next month to solo trucking in the T9. So I pulled the trigger on the Coriolis, deployed the beacon and watched the megaship arrive, which revealed...

The second problem, which is that all of the commodity requirements are significantly higher than those "advertised" on the pick-a-Port screen. In some cases, such as Steel and CMM Composites, the requirements are more than 4x the original quote. There's no way I'm going to be able to pull off those sorts of logistics in four weeks on my tod, so I guess that's a few million credits up the Swanee. Annoying but hey, it's a beta.

Still, I'm kinda hoping these are bugs of some sort rather badly-documented design choices (or poor comprehension on my part). Because if the numbers I've seen are representative then it looks as though Colonisation, like Fleet Carrier ownership before it, is another feature that I'll be priced out of by virtue of not having multiple hours per week to dedicate to the game. I understand the need to appeal to group play and to reward cooperation, but it does feel as though solo players forced into the "involuntary casual" category* through lack of free time are being dealt a poor hand again.

* "incas?" ​

 

[Raedawn]

I appreciate the succinct approach your post took, no filler: all awesomeness !

ALSO, REQUESTING STICKY