Yes, a wing could be a trader and three fighter escorts.
News Content Recap - Beyond Chapter One Livestream (16.01.2018) - Part 1 Recap
Yes, a wing could be a trader and three fighter escorts.
My take on the recap of part 1
Sounds pretty solid to me!
Had to make sure to read *all* the details of Notoriety, heh. All seems pretty great!
Cool! Definitely feels like it would fit.
Huh, sounds dangerous. I'm sure there's many folks who look forward to this. Personally...I'm worried about it continuing the path of Engineer-induced power creep. But, then, I personally don't anticipate ever triggering the ATR on myself.
Ooh, this sounds pretty cool too. Wonder what the Detention Centers will look like and what future ideas that could open up?
How will this likely impact those who use bounty hunting as their primary source of credit income, though? Would it be better or worse? Will this mean you'll consider reducing the base scan times?
The basic system for this sounds solid. Being able to pick from differing rewards sounds neat too, I suppose.
The 'mission depot', though, sounds like a great idea that needn't apply only to wing missions - couldn't you bring that into regular delivery missions too (as in enabling players to take multiple trips if they wish rather than requiring a minimum cargo space)?
Sounds pretty solid to me!
Had to make sure to read *all* the details of Notoriety, heh. All seems pretty great!
Cool! Definitely feels like it would fit.
Huh, sounds dangerous. I'm sure there's many folks who look forward to this. Personally...I'm worried about it continuing the path of Engineer-induced power creep. But, then, I personally don't anticipate ever triggering the ATR on myself.
Ooh, this sounds pretty cool too. Wonder what the Detention Centers will look like and what future ideas that could open up?
How will this likely impact those who use bounty hunting as their primary source of credit income, though? Would it be better or worse? Will this mean you'll consider reducing the base scan times?
The basic system for this sounds solid. Being able to pick from differing rewards sounds neat too, I suppose.
The 'mission depot', though, sounds like a great idea that needn't apply only to wing missions - couldn't you bring that into regular delivery missions too (as in enabling players to take multiple trips if they wish rather than requiring a minimum cargo space)?
I know it was partially talked about in the stream, at least as far as what happens if a wing mate in a wing mission dies, or otherwise absconds with mission cargo - but what about the wing leader? Since they're the only one who can turn in a partial completion, what happens if that person leaves, dies, or otherwise absconds with mission cargo? Are the other wing members just S.O.L.?
I really like the wing missions concept, and have a couple of friends that would be down to do them.
The C&P - meh. So many commanders have been ganked or have heard about ganking I don't think there is sufficient incentive to return to Open. If I get robbed in downtown city x irl, I will not return to downtown city x ever. If someone I know or I hear about that I identify with is robbed in downtown city X, then I'm equally likely to not go to downtown city X. I'm pretty sure that's the mindset of the majority of folks that left open for PG / solo.
C&P is so long overdue I think the horse has left the barn before the door has been closed. All of this effort about hot modules and hot ships and notoriety. Gankers gonna gank and just kill eachother to scoop bounties. Infamous and rich - that's pretty cool. Not my cup of tea, but those guys will be happy. If they can find people to kill.
I guess the changes will be relevant for PP. I guess that's a thing - PP. Also for the BGS - yeah the BGS. I play with 5 friends in game. Not really feeling the BGS thing.
Mobius / Mobius PVE is the "Open" server option still for PVE players. Kinda wish FDEV would look at other MMO models where the base environment is PVE and PVP zones are a thing (with ranks and rewards). Kind of feel like FDEV lives in a bubble sometimes.
FDEV seems to really feel good about this C&P thing. I wonder what the actual numbers of players will experience notoriety and get a hot ship. 50? 100? 500? How much of the player base is that? It would be nice to see some actual numbers on how many players are recidivist PKr's . If the number is small, this is clearly a PR move to incentivize Open. I don't think it will work for that purpose. If the number is huge, then all of this effort makes sense - but I think it's just a loud minority doing the PKing.
Good luck FDEV. Think you might have some confirmation bias going on - but that's normal. At least arguing about the C&P will be good for the forums...
The C&P - meh. So many commanders have been ganked or have heard about ganking I don't think there is sufficient incentive to return to Open. If I get robbed in downtown city x irl, I will not return to downtown city x ever. If someone I know or I hear about that I identify with is robbed in downtown city X, then I'm equally likely to not go to downtown city X. I'm pretty sure that's the mindset of the majority of folks that left open for PG / solo.
C&P is so long overdue I think the horse has left the barn before the door has been closed. All of this effort about hot modules and hot ships and notoriety. Gankers gonna gank and just kill eachother to scoop bounties. Infamous and rich - that's pretty cool. Not my cup of tea, but those guys will be happy. If they can find people to kill.
I guess the changes will be relevant for PP. I guess that's a thing - PP. Also for the BGS - yeah the BGS. I play with 5 friends in game. Not really feeling the BGS thing.
Mobius / Mobius PVE is the "Open" server option still for PVE players. Kinda wish FDEV would look at other MMO models where the base environment is PVE and PVP zones are a thing (with ranks and rewards). Kind of feel like FDEV lives in a bubble sometimes.
FDEV seems to really feel good about this C&P thing. I wonder what the actual numbers of players will experience notoriety and get a hot ship. 50? 100? 500? How much of the player base is that? It would be nice to see some actual numbers on how many players are recidivist PKr's . If the number is small, this is clearly a PR move to incentivize Open. I don't think it will work for that purpose. If the number is huge, then all of this effort makes sense - but I think it's just a loud minority doing the PKing.
Good luck FDEV. Think you might have some confirmation bias going on - but that's normal. At least arguing about the C&P will be good for the forums...
Wow this is certainly a big step in the right direction. I didn't expect so many good changes to come to C&P.
Does this mean that gankers and griefers now have a badge they can earn for all to see on bulletin boards? What is stopping them from CL'ing to protect this badge of "honour"?
I have one question about this bit:
Am I to understand that Pilot's Federation Bounties are going away and being replaced with this (as I hope) or will the two coexist?
Am I to understand that Pilot's Federation Bounties are going away and being replaced with this (as I hope) or will the two coexist?
I can't recall right now; but was threat in Wing Missions mentioned?
By this I mean, if you have a delivery mission of say 2000t of gold to system X, is the threat and strength of piracy during this mission increased to make it challenging/interesting.
The image I have is of a cargo-kitted Cutter, for example, being escorted by his 3 mates in combat-ready ships; I'm wondering if the piracy response would be commensurate to the strength of the wing to offer up a sufficient challenge for the wing.
By this I mean, if you have a delivery mission of say 2000t of gold to system X, is the threat and strength of piracy during this mission increased to make it challenging/interesting.
The image I have is of a cargo-kitted Cutter, for example, being escorted by his 3 mates in combat-ready ships; I'm wondering if the piracy response would be commensurate to the strength of the wing to offer up a sufficient challenge for the wing.
I have one question. I'm an old school player from Eve. Pirating had profit there so high cost were understandable. And before it's asked most people compare these two games is why I'm pointing this out. In elite your raising cost to pirate with ship rebuys and making it so that those who don't build good ships won't have an incentive to try to get better. I haven't ever did pirating in elite because there has never been a real profit zones dedicated to pirates or anything to indicate piracy was a valid part of game. I understand your using forums as a basis for updates bit many like myself don't use forums due to many games in past having forums as a simple way to say we are reading your post but then moderators are put in place and people who would actually use info to help game never read the post. So my biggest question is people get killed in open play but they lose nothing but some credits. It is called pvp. People die in pvp. Why put something in play that will guaranteed bankrupt pirates within a few months and make them leave your game completely just to please people who don't bother to try to get better ships. I play private because I admit I can't figure out best builds plus cost of parts and rebuys are to high to mission payouts currently in place. Even a 19 mil mission is only half the rebuy for my anaconda. And those kind of payouts are rare. What actually needs balancing is payouts ways for piracy to become a valid gameplay where you could afford to do it, and some part of all that empty useless space to be utilized for pirate bases random faction bases etc. The game is huge but only utilizes about a tenth of it's space. Just a tip for the ones who can do it. Make a space for pirates or allow player stations to be built so players can make a pirate sector, provide a source of income.to them. Keep all this your doing but give a way for a pirate to make the money to make it worthwhile to pirate. Right now there truly is no value to pirating. People get killed they call it greifing but every other game out there that has pvp in open world's it's a clear thing you play there you risk dying. Find a way to help players learn to build good ships so in your open world they can fight back and live, make weaker newer ships less appatizing to hit, and give pirates an alternate way to make cash. This patch won't stop greifing it will kill piracy in your game thereby taking an aspect out of elite. Some will give me hate over this but it is the truth. Most of the rich players in your game keep there way of getting high cash secret because Everytime someone finds a way it gets nerfed out. Noone wants to put 60 hours of play in just to lose money you made in first buyback of your in a high-end ship. At least give people an option to make some kind of income as a pirate. Honestly good idea you had but don't base patches on a forum. Forums only represent about 1 percent of your game population. Most don't even come here. This is my first post and probably won't be another one for a yr. Of the game is still active then. And I put in massive hrs playing. I play the game I don't troll forums. You want a game that will survive for yrs.more then start looking at game in terms of what do people get for time played. I have a little over 300 mil in creds, and it took me 8 months to get it. That's far from a profit. That only 8 buybacks for anaconda and it took 8 months to get. Would I pirate right now, no way. There's no money in it. I play on my brothers safe private server where I don't get blown up except on rate occasions. If I ever did go bankrupt in no way would I start over, I would just leave game. Lots of people would be sent way something to think about.
I'm pretty sure the notoriety will become the measurement of the best RPK / murder hobo. Those with the highest score will have bragging rights. If your score is too low, you'll not be considered a real RPK. They'll not wear that down, unless the god mode NPCs are too strong and actually prevent future killings of players.
Frankly the notion of adding really powerful special police to deal with RPK is finally giving me hope for Open. The ineptitude of police forces even in high security systems has always been a huge problem. Even with multiple police vessels on you, you could still easily destroy the other player and then just boost away with no risk to yourself.
AI wanteds carry 0-1 KWS bounties in my experience. It won't affect PVE.
Why not simply make all missions the same and shareable?
The recommended level could extend beyond ELITE to Wing of 2 to Wing of 4.
And you could solve cargo missions for example in multiple trips in a small ship, or in small ships wing or in a large ship in one trip... it's up to you.
The recommended level could extend beyond ELITE to Wing of 2 to Wing of 4.
And you could solve cargo missions for example in multiple trips in a small ship, or in small ships wing or in a large ship in one trip... it's up to you.
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thanks or the excellent recap.
looks pretty good so far.
Beta (hopefully) will reveal where practice diverges from theory.
Hopefully, FDev will deploy ATR on bugs and undesirable divergencies from Beta results.
looks pretty good so far.
Beta (hopefully) will reveal where practice diverges from theory.
Hopefully, FDev will deploy ATR on bugs and undesirable divergencies from Beta results.
I was answering the complaint about Obsidian Orbital not enforcing the speed limit/no fire zone.
No because if you use correct defenses (to survive in a cut throat galaxy) you are not an easy/soft target. Yes i am responsible for destroying them but not for their bad decision. I should face consequences for my crimes not for my target bad loadout choices. It is fair that the victim face consequences as well.
Anyway we will see how it goes. (thinking about station ganking and detention center atm).
I didn't say it was that difficult to earn money, I love collecting ships. However, to make money in the diverse uhh, let's say careers available, the payscales suck. Unless you live at one rock and maintain your constantly fading rep there. I already live on one rock, thanks, lol, I relish my simulated freedom.
Robert Maynard
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The victim always faces consequences - the rebuy screen in the case of destruction. Up to now the attacker has had very little in the way of consequences to deal with - that would seem to be about to change....
Howdy Will. To start with, Great Stream. I would, however, like to pose a few questions:
Notoriety: So glad you guys went with this idea in the end. However, I was wondering if there are any plans to expand on the concept later on during the Beyond Season? For example, having a separate Notoriety within each of the Super-Powers, & having all criminal activities contribute to said notoriety (with loitering & trespassing having the lowest points, & murder having the highest)?
Also, it might be nice to tie notoriety into other game-play elements. Someone with High Notoriety might experience delays in responses from Air Traffic Control, or experience more frequent interdiction and/or scanning from local security, or encounter higher material costs for Engineer Upgrades.....that kind of thing. The flip-side being that Anarchy Factions will have greater respect for you!
Detention Facilities: I know you guys are currently focused on Mega-Ships as Detention Facilities, but what about also using the various Penal Colonies that are already within the game? Also, how about tying how far away you re-spawn to how large your bounty and/or notoriety was at the time of your incarceration? Lastly, how about an additional penalty for the most notorious/most wanted pilots out there? If caught & "incarcerated", you have to fly a stock sidewinder to get back to one of your own ships (a nice Prison Orange).
Mission Rewards: As with everything else, I do like what you've done with mission rewards. However, I am wondering if the team had considered letting players "Call in Favours" as a means of further adjusting the pay-out? At the moment, once you're allied to a Faction, that is pretty much it. However, what if Reputation could be "cashed in" as a form of currency to get other in-game benefits? Like a bigger Credit Pay-out than they're currently offering, or a longer time-frame for completing the mission, or different materials/cargo to what they're offering? Favours could also be used as a means of reducing fines and/or bounties, or increasing the payouts for bounties and/or Combat Bonds......just as a few examples.
Anyway, thanks again for the stream, & I hope all the questions make sense. I look forward to hearing back on some-if not all-of them soon
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Excellent recap, thanks Will!
Hi
I missed the Live, live stream but something I would have asked is about friendly fire.
Given that NPC's have a habit of flying into your firing arc without warning or chance to react, it seems a tad harsh to become wanted given all the negative consequences now.
I propose that if you hit an NPC for 20% of its shield or Hull you are issued an onscreen warning. If you continue to fire then you become wanted as it's clear you are doing it on purpose.
That way you do not get punished for things you cannot control.
I missed the Live, live stream but something I would have asked is about friendly fire.
Given that NPC's have a habit of flying into your firing arc without warning or chance to react, it seems a tad harsh to become wanted given all the negative consequences now.
I propose that if you hit an NPC for 20% of its shield or Hull you are issued an onscreen warning. If you continue to fire then you become wanted as it's clear you are doing it on purpose.
That way you do not get punished for things you cannot control.
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