Cost of Horizon vs Star Citizen Price Model

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Hardly jealousy Deg. How much does Horizon as an expansion actually cost? They are clearly not giving the base game away for free. You can't tell me Horizon content on its own is worth $60. That is not an expansion price. Ok, so if you own the base game already, they toss in a $10 discount. So the expansion is still 50 bucks. So for those of us that bought the base game already, we're now looking at $110 for the base game and expansion. Like the majority of games out there, they should have offered Horizons as a separate purchase.

I payed 40.-€ for 'Horizons' (including "pre-owner bonus"; no beta participation this time).

StarCraft 2: Legacy of the Void: 30.-€; may or may not be worth the price tag.
Sid Meier's Civilization: Beyond Earth - Rising Tide: 30.-€ (including pre-order bonus); might be okay, but I won't get it at launch day.
Cities Skylines - After Dark: 15.-€; nice Add-on, but a bit pricey for what it deliered (even for the smaller price tag); I am still content with the purchase, as I like the base game.
Age of Wonders - Eternal Lords: 25.-€ (IIRC) and WAY too cheap for what it delivered!

Sure, ED is more expensive than all of those. But not by an unreasonable amount, if it's announced (and assumed further) content is taken into account.

And sure, it might be still considered as too expensive. While I don't share this opinion, it is absolutely valid and should lead to refraining from the purchase.

By the way, did you calculate beta-access into the $110?
Because this wouldn't be a fair comparison to other games, in my opinion.
Charging so much money for testing the game (or, to be honest, playing it earlier for most people) is quite pricey, in my opinion.
Hence I abstained for 'Horizons' in this regard. Easy and consequent decision and no complaining necessary.
 
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They will be making at least another 3 paid expansions on planetary landings alone if they think they can monitize them - doesn't seem such great value then does it?

I'm going to challenge this statement. FD have talked about 2 Seasons of expansions (Seasons 2 & 3) for planetary landings. Not 4 paid seasons. What is your source for that statement?
 
My big issue is price. FDEV have not earned the trust to get me fork over 60 bucks. If their previous updates 1.1-1.4 is any indication of Horizon's content then we're all in for a really big disappointment.

I disagree with this statement. For me, 1.2 was awesome as the Wings feature was a great implementation. CQC is already great fun - I can't wait till it's released live. And 1.5 is shaping up to be the best update ever. If anything, I've only seen the quality of updates improve over the past year in everything from how they conduct beta tests to new features that arrive.

I will say this - a LOT of us on this forum post, about 90%, are arguing in favor of FDs position and stance.
 
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Good and valid points.

SC is a game, looks good. Sure it will be fun. Elite is a journey with a group of developers who will push the boundaries of procedural generation to new limits.

I was late to the party with ED and didn't get to back the KS or even the original Beta, too busy with a work project, didn't even know what day of the week it was for months! Finally I got to get the game as a gift.

I had the chance to buy a LEP recently but didn't, why? Well I did some simple maths.

Season costs £40, number of seasons possibly 10 = £400!
LEP Costs £130 (If it's wrong it's not important). LEP is going to be a huge saving!

But wait... £40 a year is nothing! It's far less than £130 in one chunk not that the amount is the issue.


The total investment in Frontier will be higher.
Call it my kick starter money.
Better late than never!
 
How about PLEX ?

On topic, i have nothing against FD's business model for ED, i just refuse to buy a second copy of the original game in order to get access to Horizons.

Once Horizons is available seperately, i'll reconsider.

Comparing one criticized model against another one that's isn't very convincing btw..

Thats a peculiar line of reasoning. To me, Horizon (if it is what I think it is) is easily worth the money they charge for it. They can give away any number of things to any number of other people and that wouldn't change it the slightest. I refuse to become upset just because other people get something for free (the base game) while we had to pay for that a year ago. That extra money allowed me to play ED a year more, and I found the past year quite pleasant. I dont see how new players having to pay more to join would increase my enjoyment even the slighest bit.

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But wait... £40 a year is nothing!

There you go. If you like ED, that paltry some is no issue. A hobby doesnt get much cheaper than that. If you dont like ED, no amount of money would be worth it.
 
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And on content, FD are only giving you bare bone planetary landings. Essentially moon or rock landings.
They will be making at least another 3 paid expansions on planetary landings alone if they think they can monitize them - doesn't seem such great value then does it?

Those are just assumptions and thus your argument holds no water.

"Just bare bone planetary landings" seem to include surface activities like ground vehicles and some sort of exploration. So that is a lot of underlaying mechanics, not just a quick throw in.

Which other planet landings come after, is unclear. These may all be in the season 2 period or perhaps not. Even if "complete" planetary landings do come in season 3, they may be free for season 2 owners, not additionally charged.

Your argument is invalid.
 
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I'm afraid I'm on the 'you are trying to compare apples to bulldogs' side here, SC's pricing schedule has nothing to do with the price of the game, you are BACKING the development of the game by pledging X monetary units, and as a reward for backing the game, CIG is giving you a special treat, what ever ship package you picked as your pledge level, which include various extras if you pledge early enough, some of those extras being removed if you pledge after X time frame(the new ship for example, Oct 10th to pledge for that and get extras like Lifetime Insurance, an ingame mini-model of the ship and an ingame poster of the ship, after Oct 10th, don't get those extras).

FD did much the same with the KS, CIG is simply extending the KS rewards through their continued development cycle, which is now over a year beyond the originally scheduled release date. They've also raised over $80 million US Dollars via this system and are actually considering offering their pledging system FOR SALE to other companies(damn good idea, they've done incredibly well using it).

FD has gone to a simple pay for the game system, more content in the future is also sold as a distinct and separate unit. What CIG will do once they actually go LIVE with SC is up in the air, it was supposed to be a Free To Play game after all, that may or may not have changed, I haven't seen or heard anything on the subject either way, but if it does indeed stick with the original F2P system, then you can bet that they'll continue to offer the packages they offer now for cash. You'll hear LOTS of Pay2Win complaints either way with SC, regardless of the fact that anything you purchase with real money can be obtained ingame via ingame money, you can see this with games like MechWarrior Online which offers early access to new toys for real cash and then releases them for ingame coin later on, also called Paywalling(a term used here no less concerning the Cobra Mk IV).

I'm not sure which system I actually prefer as a consumer, I've backed other games in the past without having anything but concept artwork on paper to look at, I've also played F2P games that I rather enjoyed without ever spending a dime on them, and some F2P games I've spent thousands on(like MechWarrior Online) simply because I wanted to show my support for the development team. I bought Elite Dangerous directly from FD, I missed the KS or I would have been a backer of that, probably a Lifetime, simply due to the nostalgia involved with Elite(I played the original in 84), much as I did with MechWarrior Online for that reason. I've purchased the Horizons package as well, didn't get the Lifetime because I honestly don't want the beta access and I'm quite comfortable giving FD $50 USD every year for the next expansion, that way if they do something I don't like, I can show my disapproval by not giving them more money, a vote that actually counts as opposed to whining on a forum ;)

I'm waiting to drop money on SC, I have members of my unit, SRM, who have dropped a lot on SC and they all say the same thing still, wait, don't buy in yet, it's not worth the money at this time. They always add that caveat, 'at this time', because they see it becoming worth the money sometime in the near future, so I'm waiting for their go ahead. They are friends who know what I enjoy and I trust their advice. They aren't as interested in Elite because it's less social and PvP based than SC is, and that's their main focus(mine too usually), killing other players, Elite is an exception for me.

Two very different marketing strategies going on with Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous, you simply can't compare those.
 
IDK, ED's model is just fine - and a whole lot cheaper than any subscription based game in long run. SC's model is SC's model ... haven't much more than that to say about it. And there's games which make you pay for both expansions AND monthly fee *shrug* - some of them real good games, however, too.
 
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I don't really have a dog in this race as I backed ED during the KS for a silly amount of money so get all the add-ons as part of that, but I do criticise it for its current content and the direction they've taken the game with certain updates. However, I'd be much more comfortable handing over money to Frontier than to those behind Star Citizen. One has delivered a working game with updates being added on top of that whereas the other is effectively stuck in development hell and yet they are still expanding it. My guess is that if you think there are a lot of people moaning about Elite then just wait until Star Citizen is released. Assuming it ever is.
 
I bought Destiny on the Xbox One last year when it came out. It's RRP is £60, I think (though I paid £40 or so). They've just released Destiny: The Taken King. When you buy it, it includes both Destiny and the two DLCs released during the year (which I didn't buy). I don't begrudge them that I could have waited a year and just bought the Taken King, saving myself the original £40. I had hours of entertainment from it. Just like E: D. This is hardly an unusual model.
 
To me the heart of the matter is i could have bought a game with tons of content, like GTAV or a bunch of games with loads of content for the cost of what Elite cost me. Because the genre has such a slim amount of quality games, I gambled that for my 80$ US, there would be much more content added before they tried to reach into my pockets again. From my perspective, i lost that gamble. So i completely lost interest in the game. Whats the point? i will have to wait 3-5 more years to see the expansions as a bundle, grinding pirates ad vitam aeternam got old the first week. It feels like the online part of the game was just DRM so you are forced to buy expansions for their no content game. The mind boggles when i think about the content i got when i bought X-3 and modded it, and what could have happened with elite if it took that route. I truly do not care to compare SC with Elite. I want to compare elite with x-3, or modded Bethesda games, or Unreal tournament 2004, modded half-life 2, modded mount and blade, modded neverwinter nights, as a gauge of what we used to get for our money compared to cash grabs like this and star citizen.
 
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I am invested in Star Citizen. I never compare the two games. They are so different from each other. I pre ordered Horizons because the game is fun for me and my friends. I plan on playing both.
 
Fact: As a gamer since the 80's I can say that I've paid way more and received way less when it comes to games, software, hardware, and women.

Aye, there's the rub. I feel the same. It was also all trees and fields round our way back then... ;)
 
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When Star Citizen releases 1 ship for 900$ USD that you cannot even fly yet!

The difference between the two games is that ED has been released whereas SC is still being developed.

When ED was being developed (ie during the KS) some people paid 300 pounds to name a star system, 1500 pounds to be able to call themselves "Jameson" and one clown paid 5000 pounds to name the Founders system ;)

In otherwords you can't compare the two at different stages of development - when (if) SC has been released let's see what RSI ask afterwards for additions and compare then.
 
Because the genre has such a slim amount of quality games, I gambled that for my 80$ US, there would be much more content added before they tried to reach into my pockets again. From my perspective, i lost that gamble. So i completely lost interest in the game.

Clearly you didn't. You're still hanging around the forums. Did you get lost?
 
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