"Development Level >>"? Figuring out what all these numbers do.
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My guess is that the new building has the tag "construction" in the journal for a while before it gets fully activated. During that time it's economy is "colony". For some weird reason, whatever port is connected with strong links to the new asset, gets 100% "colony" economy as well.
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Seeing that same thing here. Just finished a space farm for my Orbis station, turned it back to colony from the planetary tourism/agri influence (I didn't want the tourism anyway)... I guess, waiting until either next server tick or week for it to update properly*. Not a huge issue since I was only ever going to "need" the water and fruit/veg for main stations (and after the update veggies had gone to being eaten by tourism entirely while they'd survived the first round of planet economies)... but a less minor annoyance when considering I was going to build this system out as an agricultural one so it'd have been helpful to have an in-system source of the goods.
I guess there's no rush, anyway. Also editing in - it does show as if the station should pick up the agri link from the space farm. Figure I’ll keep an eye on whether it actually does though. For now… if I need those supplies I have two other outposts orbiting terraformable water worlds.
*May be worth noting, that installation didn't "appear" immediately like they would before either, requiring re-instancing as the planetary structures do to get it to be there.
I guess there's no rush, anyway. Also editing in - it does show as if the station should pick up the agri link from the space farm. Figure I’ll keep an eye on whether it actually does though. For now… if I need those supplies I have two other outposts orbiting terraformable water worlds.
*May be worth noting, that installation didn't "appear" immediately like they would before either, requiring re-instancing as the planetary structures do to get it to be there.
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I am now wondering what will happen if/when I complete that planetary outpost. Or maybe the security station before it (but arranged in such a way that the metals still available from the coriolis have been delivered to the planetary build site by then)… I guess the chances of things going haywire even more than they have is 50/50.
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I built another refinery hub, on a small rocky planet with just one slot, no geo or bio signals, and nothing in orbit yet. Basically, the perfect location for a refinery.
I wanted to see how much influence will I get from this new weak link.
The answer: 0.05.
If the refinery influence before was 4.1, now it's 4.15.
I wanted to see how much influence will I get from this new weak link.
The answer: 0.05.
If the refinery influence before was 4.1, now it's 4.15.
I don’t think agri will particularly pose problems with refinery, other than having the agri exports eaten by the former (but I don’t think that’s much of a problem when going for a refinery build). Otherwise I would have given up on the idea of setting another refinery up locally, for another system in my cluster, already.
Bunch of 4 slot moons with atmo but not geologicals around a gas giant… while a ringed brown dwarf exists in system too, building that one up for extraction. Of course at least two of its moons have geo activity, but… shrugs was not planning to put the refinery stuff there and just hope it won’t mess up anything by “exporting” its industrial nonsense (it might be those moons I was planning to put colony outposts around because they have two orbital slots, will have to double check in game).
… the weak link refinery would probably not be so “weak” though. It would end up having maybe 14 of them in that system scattered across the moons.
Bunch of 4 slot moons with atmo but not geologicals around a gas giant… while a ringed brown dwarf exists in system too, building that one up for extraction. Of course at least two of its moons have geo activity, but… shrugs was not planning to put the refinery stuff there and just hope it won’t mess up anything by “exporting” its industrial nonsense (it might be those moons I was planning to put colony outposts around because they have two orbital slots, will have to double check in game).
… the weak link refinery would probably not be so “weak” though. It would end up having maybe 14 of them in that system scattered across the moons.
Data Points.
Built 4th Refinery in Victoria Wolf Steel.
Local economy is 4 refineries & 1 Space Farm.
Refinery added +0.8 refinery economy, from 2.8 to 3.6.
This basically doubled the supply of Refinery in the Coriolis. Pops is 400k.
Built 4th Refinery in Victoria Wolf Steel.
Local economy is 4 refineries & 1 Space Farm.
Refinery added +0.8 refinery economy, from 2.8 to 3.6.
"StationEconomy":"$economy_Refinery;", "StationEconomy_Localised":"Refinery", "StationEconomies":[ { "Name":"$economy_Refinery;", "Name_Localised":"Refinery", "Proportion":2.800000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Extraction;", "Name_Localised":"Extraction", "Proportion":2.400000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Agri;", "Name_Localised":"Agriculture", "Proportion":0.500000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Military;", "Name_Localised":"Military", "Proportion":0.100000 }, { "Name":"$economy_HighTech;", "Name_Localised":"High Tech", "Proportion":0.050000 } ]
"StationEconomy":"$economy_Refinery;", "StationEconomy_Localised":"Refinery", "StationEconomies":[ { "Name":"$economy_Refinery;", "Name_Localised":"Refinery", "Proportion":3.600000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Extraction;", "Name_Localised":"Extraction", "Proportion":2.400000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Agri;", "Name_Localised":"Agriculture", "Proportion":0.500000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Military;", "Name_Localised":"Military", "Proportion":0.100000 }, { "Name":"$economy_HighTech;", "Name_Localised":"High Tech", "Proportion":0.050000 } ],
This basically doubled the supply of Refinery in the Coriolis. Pops is 400k.
I am the Weakest Link... 
So I have this little Civilian outpost I built around a waterworld, it also has a spacefarm in orbit with it.
It looks like the the space farm added nothing, both outpost and spacefarm have been up and running for 3-4 weeks I think.
The waterworld is a binary with a HMC which is terraformable and has a water heavy atmosphere, the binary seems to add nothing to the station.
The HMC is not landable.
Do we think this maybe bugged?
| Docked, Type: Outpost in system Synuefai XA-C d14-49, State: None, Faction: Azura Corporation in state Unknown Allegiance: Unknown, Economy: Tourism, Government: Corporate Station services: Dock, Autodock, Market, Contacts, Missions, Restock, Refuel, Repair, Workshop, Missions Generated Interstellar Factors Contact, Flight Controller, Station Operations, Powerplay, Search And Rescue, Station Menu, Social Space, System Colonisation Economies: Tourism 140%, Agri 140% |
It looks like the the space farm added nothing, both outpost and spacefarm have been up and running for 3-4 weeks I think.
The waterworld is a binary with a HMC which is terraformable and has a water heavy atmosphere, the binary seems to add nothing to the station.
The HMC is not landable.
Do we think this maybe bugged?
The only minor thing to watch for is Surface Stabilisers, if the market itself is a surface one. Everything else it should be fine with.
… I think I can live with that honestly. I’ll be having both surface and space ports in that system, of various tiers (with 4 moons of 4 slots each I can afford to), so the surface stabilizers should be available regardless - and I wouldn’t go to a ground port to get them anyway.
Of course, I first need to build the whole thing. Which is another matter that is going to take a lot of work.
Is it intentional that orbital installations do not create any link, neither strong nor weak, to a planetary port beneath it? I assumed a strong link... but there is none. The number of weak links at the port indicates that this installation is not counted as a weak link. Other ports on other bodies "see" this orbital installation via a weak link... not good.
Judging by the infographic FDev shared orbital installations should give a strong link to its surface port, assuming there is no other higher-tier port in the immediate area.
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So I took a quick peek and no change after the weekly tick and the war between two factions ending. The bugged station (I now firmly believe it to be) is still bugged and the other system still is isolated with no links between anything and like before the update. Looks like I'll have to build something to hopefully get some changes through and perhaps, finally, a shipyard (my only real goal for the first system).
I've seen some reports of things reverting or being bugged on construction completion though so who knows if even that will work or affect things. I might wait a little to see if things calm down bug wise.
This may be fixed now. I built a commercial outpost over a rocky moon and it came up straight away with refinery economy (although hi-tech and military weak links have eaten some of the produce).
I'm currently pondering how to build a Refinery system with no hi-tech, military or industrial links.
Can be avoided by not having stations around a star directly, and none of the military/security structures. A partial workaround for the security issue might be to build lots of comm and/or government installations which at least provide some without any economic influence. If it was Frontier's intent for us to have either military influence and higher security or lesser security but no weak link 'pollution'... this does a great job of at least giving the consideration to people.
Meanwhile, my Orbis has gone back to "Tourism/Agriculture" but it stubbornly refuses to just dump the tourism (I did not check the different influences) so it stops eating the agricultural produce. Although I'm not sure which ones I might be missing aside from fruit and vegetables, those remain absent... still have natural fabrics. Whatever that is good for.