"Development Level >>"? Figuring out what all these numbers do.

[Ian Doncaster]

Okay, so mine could be at 1.4 because the gas giant boosts industrial, but intrinsic economy stations experience that as a strong link (and only of types they already have) rather than as an planetary influence.

This might need a bit more investigation...

 

[Ned Flandalorian]

Okay, so mine could be at 1.4 because the gas giant boosts industrial, but intrinsic economy stations experience that as a strong link (and only of types they already have) rather than as an planetary influence.

This might need a bit more investigation...

I'm saying practically all the industrial outposts start at 1.40 because they're getting a 0.4 boost from the system having pristine reserves. The host body type doesn't matter because it's a boost being applied to the intrinsic economy, planetary influence is not involved.

In the case of the industrial planetary outpost, I suspect a 0.5 base + 0.4 boost.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

Though that's a boost which is only supposed to apply to strong links.

I don't rule out that intrinsic economies have been implemented by strong-linking stations to themselves though it would I think have other consequences we don't see if that was literally true.

 

[hutandrei]

Just finished an industrial planetary port (tier 1) and the outcome is not quite what I expected.
The planetary body: a High Metal Content with geologicals and pristine reserves. One refinery hub is already present.
The economy mix of the finished station:
Refinery 1.25: this checks out, 0.8+0.4 from the local refinery and 0.05 from a remote refinery.
Industrial 0.9: <- this is the "what" value
Agriculture 0.15: 3x weak links
Extraction 0.05: 1x weak link
HighTech 0.05: 1x weak link

What I would have expected for Industrial is 1.0 (from the outpost type) + 0.4 boost from the pristine reserves. But it seems like maybe the industrial planetary outpost only gets 0.5 base instead of 1.0? Or there's some strange dampening being applied?

I can confirm that 0.9 is the base stat for a specialized surface port.
In my case, it is a High Tech surface port, on a HMC with geologicals.

It was 0.65 initially, then there was a patch (3.1) some weeks ago (or maybe it was 3.0?), and the new base stat (I just checked) is 0.9 now.

 

[cmdr remo_d]

On moon A, I have an inherent HT orbital outpost, with 3 strong links(2 surface and 1 research orbital).
On moon B, I have an inherent Industrial outpost which shows these 3 HT links as weak links - what I expect.
On moon C, I have a T1 planetary post and a coriolis which both show only 2 HT weak links. Is the 'shielding effect' of the planetary post and coriolis in play here? Why only 2 and not 3? I assume the 3rd weak link that is not showing would be the research orbital since there is only 1 of them and 2 ground research facilities.

 

[Greasetrap42]

On moon C, I have a T1 planetary post and a coriolis which both show only 2 HT weak links. ..... Why only 2 and not 3?

If I understand, your system looks like this.

I would have expected:

• Moon A T1 orbital should receive 0 weak link
• Moon B T1 orbital should receive 3 weak links.
• Moon C T2 coriolis and surface port should each receive 3 weak links.

I can't explain why this didn't happen, hopefully someone else can.

 

[hutandrei]

My guess, it is just a visual bug. Those 2 planetary HT weak links are redirected to the orbital, and for some reason only that is displayed as a weak HT link.
Check the actual numbers, you should have on moon C 0.15 extra HT from the 3 weak links.

 

[Ned Flandalorian]

I think the UI has a limit on the number of different types of links it can show, I have quite a few stations that don't show all that they should.

 

[cmdr remo_d]

I have checked the numbers. The HT is .1 for the planetary port and the coriolis.

Coriolis:
"StationEconomies":[ { "Name":"$economy_Refinery;", "Name_Localised":"Refinery", "Proportion":4.600000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Agri;", "Name_Localised":"Agriculture", "Proportion":2.300000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Terraforming;", "Name_Localised":"Terraforming", "Proportion":1.400000 }, { "Name":"$economy_HighTech;", "Name_Localised":"High Tech", "Proportion":0.100000 } ]

T1 Planetary Port:
"StationEconomies":[ { "Name":"$economy_Refinery;", "Name_Localised":"Refinery", "Proportion":3.800000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Agri;", "Name_Localised":"Agriculture", "Proportion":1.500000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Terraforming;", "Name_Localised":"Terraforming", "Proportion":1.000000 }, { "Name":"$economy_HighTech;", "Name_Localised":"High Tech", "Proportion":0.100000 } ]

 

[cmdr remo_d]

The chart shows the strong-weak links that are shown in the game map when focused on each port/orbital. The eco inf adds up to what is shown in the game map.

What is not shown in the game map are the 3 T1 strong links given to the coriolis inherited from each of the the planetary ports economies derived from planetary influence.

Since there aren't any HT overides to convolute the numbers, only the weak links attribute the HT economy to the port and the other orbitals making the discrepancy plainly visible.

This system was started after the update with the '35 tech-level will give you a shipyard', so no old rules apply.

 

[Greasetrap42]

??? I'm not understanding your system at all. In addition to what you described you also have a bunch of other assets - refinery hubs and agricultural settlements. Maybe other stuff too, who knows ?. Okay, so the graphical picture I made based on your original system description is completely wrong. Why do I feel like I wasted a bunch of time here?

 

[cmdr remo_d]

??? I'm not understanding your system at all. In addition to what you described you also have a bunch of other assets - refinery hubs and agricultural settlements. Maybe other stuff too, who knows ?. Okay, so the graphical picture I made based on your original system description is completely wrong. Why do I feel like I wasted a bunch of time here?

Your graph is spot on with my explanation. The 2 refinery hubs are on Moon C, the Ag settlements are on Moon B. The strong/weak links they attribute are as expected. I appreciate your help and am sorry if you feel this way.

 

[cmdr remo_d]

 

[Ralph Vargr]

Charts are only valid, if drawn in crayon on a bar napkin.

 

[cmdr remo_d]

Yes. It's Weak.

 

[Darrack]

I have checked the numbers. The HT is .1 for the planetary port and the coriolis.
View attachment 431065

Coriolis:
"StationEconomies":[ { "Name":"$economy_Refinery;", "Name_Localised":"Refinery", "Proportion":4.600000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Agri;", "Name_Localised":"Agriculture", "Proportion":2.300000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Terraforming;", "Name_Localised":"Terraforming", "Proportion":1.400000 }, { "Name":"$economy_HighTech;", "Name_Localised":"High Tech", "Proportion":0.100000 } ]

T1 Planetary Port:
"StationEconomies":[ { "Name":"$economy_Refinery;", "Name_Localised":"Refinery", "Proportion":3.800000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Agri;", "Name_Localised":"Agriculture", "Proportion":1.500000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Terraforming;", "Name_Localised":"Terraforming", "Proportion":1.000000 }, { "Name":"$economy_HighTech;", "Name_Localised":"High Tech", "Proportion":0.100000 } ]

Holy crap batman, i had more fun understanding Relativity.

O7

 

[Ian Doncaster]

I don't think anyone was specifically doubting it was possible, but I hadn't seen a test: yes, you can Retreat the faction you bought the colonisation contract from.

(Since before the switch to Brewer they still owned all the new construction sites even long after losing system control, it's possible that there's some residual side-effects of this.)

 

[Ned Flandalorian]

Perhaps more importantly, if a faction is retreated while still owning assets do they switch ownership correctly? Because there's been cases in the past (before colonization) where that didn't happen. IIRC there's still a stuck settlement in T Tauri owned by "Frontline Solutions" because Aegis won the battle but ultimately lost the war.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

All seems to have transferred as expected.

I suspect the T Tauri case is because Frontier skipped the normal retreat process and just removed Aegis from the system influence table without checking if they still had assets to clean up too.

 

[_Flin_]

Coriolis:
"StationEconomies":[ { "Name":"$economy_Refinery;", "Name_Localised":"Refinery", "Proportion":4.600000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Agri;", "Name_Localised":"Agriculture", "Proportion":2.300000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Terraforming;", "Name_Localised":"Terraforming", "Proportion":1.400000 }, { "Name":"$economy_HighTech;", "Name_Localised":"High Tech", "Proportion":0.100000 } ]

T1 Planetary Port:
"StationEconomies":[ { "Name":"$economy_Refinery;", "Name_Localised":"Refinery", "Proportion":3.800000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Agri;", "Name_Localised":"Agriculture", "Proportion":1.500000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Terraforming;", "Name_Localised":"Terraforming", "Proportion":1.000000 }, { "Name":"$economy_HighTech;", "Name_Localised":"High Tech", "Proportion":0.100000 } ]

Lately i just use a screenshot of Inara for the economy. More readable. Needs to be updated, of course.