Struthiomimus and Gallimimus are both in the game, and they're extremely similar to each other. Why wouldn't Tarbosaurus be in the game just because it's similar to T. rex?
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Struthiomimus and Gallimimus are both in the game, and they're extremely similar to each other. Why wouldn't Tarbosaurus be in the game just because it's similar to T. rex?
Well - while Archaeornithomimus, Gallimimus, Struithiomimus all look similar - as they are all ornithomimids. There are some major differences, most notably their size.
Archaeornithomimus is the smallest of the trio - at about 3.3 meters/11 feet long, stands about and weighting about the same as an adult Emu (~50 kg/110 lbs).
Struthiomimus is in the middle of the trio - at about 4-5 meters/13.1-16.4 feet long, standing at about 1.6-2 meters/5.6-6.5 feet tall and weighing about 150-200 kg/330-440 lbs.
Gallimimus is the largest of the trio - at 6.1-8 meters/20-26 feet long, standing at about 2.5-3.1 meters 8.2-10.2 feet tall and weighing about 300-400 kg/660-990 lbs.
Basically all three species are separated by at least 20-30% in their length, and their weight is at least doubled.
Like wise if you look at the Spinosaurids in the game Baryonyx(FK DLC), Suchomimus (Deluxe edition) and Spinosaurus.
Spinosaurus is at least 20 longer than Suchomimus, who is about 20% longer than Baryonyx.
On the other hand - Tarbosaurus, was once considered to be the Asian species of Tyrannosaurus. And still Tarbosaurus is considered to be in the Tyrannosaurini tribe, often as the close relative to Tyrannosaurus. In addition - the largest known specimen's of Tarbosaurus' are roughly the same size as average 16-21 year old T.rexes- about 11-12 meters/36-39 feet long. 4-4.5 meters tall, and may weigh as much as young adult T.rex (5-7 tons).
A better option for a smaller tyrannosaur which looks similar to T.rex - would be Daspletosaurus. Daspletosaurus was about 9.14 meters/30 feet long, and only weighed about 3-3.3 tons.
Archaeornithomimus is the smallest of the trio - at about 3.3 meters/11 feet long, stands about and weighting about the same as an adult Emu (~50 kg/110 lbs).
Struthiomimus is in the middle of the trio - at about 4-5 meters/13.1-16.4 feet long, standing at about 1.6-2 meters/5.6-6.5 feet tall and weighing about 150-200 kg/330-440 lbs.
Gallimimus is the largest of the trio - at 6.1-8 meters/20-26 feet long, standing at about 2.5-3.1 meters 8.2-10.2 feet tall and weighing about 300-400 kg/660-990 lbs.
Basically all three species are separated by at least 20-30% in their length, and their weight is at least doubled.
Like wise if you look at the Spinosaurids in the game Baryonyx(FK DLC), Suchomimus (Deluxe edition) and Spinosaurus.
Spinosaurus is at least 20 longer than Suchomimus, who is about 20% longer than Baryonyx.
On the other hand - Tarbosaurus, was once considered to be the Asian species of Tyrannosaurus. And still Tarbosaurus is considered to be in the Tyrannosaurini tribe, often as the close relative to Tyrannosaurus. In addition - the largest known specimen's of Tarbosaurus' are roughly the same size as average 16-21 year old T.rexes- about 11-12 meters/36-39 feet long. 4-4.5 meters tall, and may weigh as much as young adult T.rex (5-7 tons).
A better option for a smaller tyrannosaur which looks similar to T.rex - would be Daspletosaurus. Daspletosaurus was about 9.14 meters/30 feet long, and only weighed about 3-3.3 tons.
I dont think that we get another tyrannosaurid. Daspletosaurus is almost entirely identical to Albertosaurus. And i'd rather think they add Albertosaurus over Daspletosaurus. Not to mention that Daspletosaurus is deconfirmed alphabetically.
I've also found a screenshot from ingame that generalizes the dig site to "Tegama Beds". This probably involves both Elrhaz dig sites (Elrhaz & Echkar Formations)
So the possible list over cool dinosaurs we can expect from the area is:
- Carcharodontosaurus
- Rugops/Kryptops
- Ouranosaurus
- Eocarcharia
Suchomimus is the only confirmed dinosaur that will be on this dig site with the deluxe edition. Carcharodontosaurus will likely not be here but will be a addition later on into the Chenini formation as DLC. It is after all, alphabetically deconfirmed. (same with Alberto, so eh.)
That leaves us:
- Rugops
- Eocarcharia
- Ouranosaurus
3 Potential dinosaurs that would each add something unique to the game. Smaller carcharodontosaurid, isnt similar to the Giganotosaurus. Rugops being a Abelisaurid for classic version. And Ouranosaurus as a unique herbivore only found at this dig site.
I dont think they will add any more tyrannosaurids after your mention of how they are all similar. And they all are. Smallest tyrannosaurids seem to be 9 meters long. And i think they're saving that spot for Albertosaurus.
With this estimate rolling around.... the list becomes this:
1. Muttaburrasaurus
2. Giganotosaurus
3. Yangchyanosaurus
4. Iguanodon
5. Sinosaurus
6. Eocarcharia
7. Ouranosaurus
8. Torosaurus
9. Rugops
Daspletosaurus is in a completely different sub-family than Albertosaurus & Gorgosaurus. Daspletosaurus is part of the Daspletosaurini tribe in the sub-family of Tyrannosaurines. While Albertosaurus & Gorgosaurus are in the sub-family of Albertosaurine Tyrannosaurus. Although Daspletosaurus may be roughly the same length(about 9 meters) as Albertosaurus and Gorgosaurus. Daspletosaurus is of a stockier build than either Albertosaurus or Gorgosaurus, and would have out weighed them by about 1 ton.
Still if I had to guess which other tyrannosaurid is most likely to be included in the game at the time of release - my top pick is Gorgosaurus - as it is very similar to Albertosaurus and found in at least 3 formations.
That just it - They ARE NOT all similar. At least not any more than Dromaeosaurids, Ornithomimids, or Spinosaurids are. And the smallest known tyrannosaurids are not about 9 meters. There are smaller tyrannosaurids - like Lythronax & Teratophoneus which were about 7-8 meters long. Qianzhousaurus(of the Alioramini) is about estimated at about 8-9 meters. Nanuqsaurus is estimated to be about 6-7 meters. Alioramus is estimated to be about 6 meters(although it was estimated to be a juvenile/sub-adult).
Based on the known dig sites in the game. Only other Tyrannosaurs which could be in the game are Tarbosaurus, Zhuchengtyrannus, Daspletosaurus, Bistahieversor, Albertosaurus, Gorgosaurus, Alioramus or possible Qianzhousaurus.
Still my guess is that only one of those will be in the game at the time of it's release - and that is Gorgosaurus/Albertosaurus.
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Both Daspletosaurus and Albertosaurus is alphabetically deconfirmed. Same with Bistahieversor and Alioramus. So i didnt make much out of the details before writing my reply.
Excluding most of the Tyrannosaurids that have nearly no bones it would leaves us with 2 alternatives that suit the ingame dig sites. Tarbosaurus or Gorgosaurus. (i'm leaning on Tarbosaurus as the more likely one) Zuchengtyrannus is as big or perhaps even larger than the tyrannosaurus Rex. But you do strike a good argument with Qianzhousaurus. Very likely that we'll see either Gorgosaurus, Tarbosaurus or Qianzhousaurus.
Updated List:
1. Muttaburrasaurus
2. Giganotosaurus
3. Yangchuanosaurus
4. Tarbosaurus/Gorgosaurus
5. Qianzhousaurus
6. Eocarcharia
7. Ouranosaurus
8. Torosaurus
9. Rugops
-Removed Sinosaurus due to similarities with dilophosaurus.
-Removed Iguanodon due to too many hadrosaurs.
Well - if we go with the assumption that their will be 42 species (with the Deluxe edition)
Here is the List of 30 confirmed dinosaur species.
Ankylosaurus
Apatosaurus
Archaeornithomimus (Deluxe Edition)
Brachiosaurus
Camarasaurus
Ceratosaurus
Chasmosaurus
Corythosaurus
Crichtonosaurus (Deluxe Editon)
Deinonychus
Dilophosaurus
Dracorex
Edmontosaurus
Gallimimus
Huayangosaurus
Kentrosaurus
Majungasaurus (Deluxe Edition)
Metriacanthosaurus
Nodosaurus
Pachycephalosaurus
Parasaurolophus
Spinosaurus
Stegosaurus
Struthiomimus
Styracosaurus (Deluxe Edition)
Suchomimus (Deluxe Edition)
Triceratops
Tsintaosaurus
Tyrannosaurus rex
Velociraptor
With the Fallen Kingdom DLC - we will likely get the following species.
Allosaurus (Fallen Kingdom DLC)
Baryonyx (Fallen Kingdom DLC)
Carnotaurus (Fallen Kingdom DLC)
Sinoceratops (Fallen Kingdom DLC)
Stygimoloch (Fallen Kingdom DLC)
And of course the Hybrids
Indominus Rex
Indoraptor (Fallen Kingdom DLC)
Other species which are yet to be confirmed but likely based on screen shots.
Diplodocus/Mamenchisaurus
Chungkingosaurus
Maiasaura/Iguanodon
Here's my best guess for the remaining 9 species in the game at it's release.
1. Giganotosaurus (Candeleros Formation)
2. Gorgosaurus (Dinosaur Park/Egg Mountain)
3. Muttaburrasaurus (Mackunda formation)
4. Ouranosaurus (Tegama Beds)
5. Mamenchisaurus/Diplodocus or Supersaurus *
6. Iquanodon/Maiasaura*
7. Therizinosaurus (Nemegt Formation)
8. Torosaurus
9. Rugops
* I basically think that both Iguanodon and Maiasaura , as well as Mamenchisaurus and Diplodocus/Supersaurus will be in the game. Iguanodon to unlock the Isle of Wight dig site. Maiasaura for the Egg Mountain dig site. Mamenchisaurus as China's most well known sauropod. Diplodocus/Supersaurus as a large, slim alternative diplodocid to Apatosaurus. Dicraeosaurus/Limaysaurus as a smaller diplodocoid, from Africa or South America.
There are no indications that Zhuchengtyrannus as large or larger than the largest known specimens of Tarbosaurus and T.rex. And reported claims of it being such are considered to be over-exaggerations. Based on the maxilla and dentaries from the holotype for Zhuchengtyrannus with the same bones from the T.rex holotype - the maxilla is about 8.5% shorter, and the dentary is about 13% shorter than those of the T.rex holotype. Keep in mind that the Zhuchengtyrannus holotype is less complete than the T.rex holotype. Still it does suggest that Zhuchengtyrannus is at best about 10-11 meters/33-36 feet in length.
By comparison - the largest known specimen of Tarbosaurus is roughly the same size as the holotype of T.rex (CM 9380) which is estimated to be about 11.9 meters/39 feet long.
While I would like to see Qianzhousaurus in the game. I won't be holding my breath. It is such as new discovery that I think very few non dino-philes will have even heard of it. Gorgosaurus on the other hand is well known, and would make an excellent alternative to Albertosaurus. Which is why I believe is will likely be in the game.
Another small tyrannosaur - which is highly debated is Nanotyrannus. Yes - most paleontologists presently consider it to be a juvenile T.rex. However since - we have Dracorex and (Stygimoloch in the Fallen Kingdom DLC) in the game. Both of which are consider to be juvenile/sub-adult forms of Pachycephalosaurus by many of the same paleontologists. Who knows? Nanotyrannus would make a nice alternative to T.rex - kind of like comparing a Cheetah to an African Lion.
Here is the List of 30 confirmed dinosaur species.
Ankylosaurus
Apatosaurus
Archaeornithomimus (Deluxe Edition)
Brachiosaurus
Camarasaurus
Ceratosaurus
Chasmosaurus
Corythosaurus
Crichtonosaurus (Deluxe Editon)
Deinonychus
Dilophosaurus
Dracorex
Edmontosaurus
Gallimimus
Huayangosaurus
Kentrosaurus
Majungasaurus (Deluxe Edition)
Metriacanthosaurus
Nodosaurus
Pachycephalosaurus
Parasaurolophus
Spinosaurus
Stegosaurus
Struthiomimus
Styracosaurus (Deluxe Edition)
Suchomimus (Deluxe Edition)
Triceratops
Tsintaosaurus
Tyrannosaurus rex
Velociraptor
With the Fallen Kingdom DLC - we will likely get the following species.
Allosaurus (Fallen Kingdom DLC)
Baryonyx (Fallen Kingdom DLC)
Carnotaurus (Fallen Kingdom DLC)
Sinoceratops (Fallen Kingdom DLC)
Stygimoloch (Fallen Kingdom DLC)
And of course the Hybrids
Indominus Rex
Indoraptor (Fallen Kingdom DLC)
Other species which are yet to be confirmed but likely based on screen shots.
Diplodocus/Mamenchisaurus
Chungkingosaurus
Maiasaura/Iguanodon
Here's my best guess for the remaining 9 species in the game at it's release.
1. Giganotosaurus (Candeleros Formation)
2. Gorgosaurus (Dinosaur Park/Egg Mountain)
3. Muttaburrasaurus (Mackunda formation)
4. Ouranosaurus (Tegama Beds)
5. Mamenchisaurus/Diplodocus or Supersaurus *
6. Iquanodon/Maiasaura*
7. Therizinosaurus (Nemegt Formation)
8. Torosaurus
9. Rugops
* I basically think that both Iguanodon and Maiasaura , as well as Mamenchisaurus and Diplodocus/Supersaurus will be in the game. Iguanodon to unlock the Isle of Wight dig site. Maiasaura for the Egg Mountain dig site. Mamenchisaurus as China's most well known sauropod. Diplodocus/Supersaurus as a large, slim alternative diplodocid to Apatosaurus. Dicraeosaurus/Limaysaurus as a smaller diplodocoid, from Africa or South America.
There are no indications that Zhuchengtyrannus as large or larger than the largest known specimens of Tarbosaurus and T.rex. And reported claims of it being such are considered to be over-exaggerations. Based on the maxilla and dentaries from the holotype for Zhuchengtyrannus with the same bones from the T.rex holotype - the maxilla is about 8.5% shorter, and the dentary is about 13% shorter than those of the T.rex holotype. Keep in mind that the Zhuchengtyrannus holotype is less complete than the T.rex holotype. Still it does suggest that Zhuchengtyrannus is at best about 10-11 meters/33-36 feet in length.
By comparison - the largest known specimen of Tarbosaurus is roughly the same size as the holotype of T.rex (CM 9380) which is estimated to be about 11.9 meters/39 feet long.
While I would like to see Qianzhousaurus in the game. I won't be holding my breath. It is such as new discovery that I think very few non dino-philes will have even heard of it. Gorgosaurus on the other hand is well known, and would make an excellent alternative to Albertosaurus. Which is why I believe is will likely be in the game.
Another small tyrannosaur - which is highly debated is Nanotyrannus. Yes - most paleontologists presently consider it to be a juvenile T.rex. However since - we have Dracorex and (Stygimoloch in the Fallen Kingdom DLC) in the game. Both of which are consider to be juvenile/sub-adult forms of Pachycephalosaurus by many of the same paleontologists. Who knows? Nanotyrannus would make a nice alternative to T.rex - kind of like comparing a Cheetah to an African Lion.
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Are you a paleontologist, Dinoken? :O
Same here, but your knowledge blows mine out of the water. You should seriously consider becoming a paleontologist.
Same here, but your knowledge blows mine out of the water. You should seriously consider becoming a paleontologist.
My best friend Is one and it is no way near as glamorous as people make it out to be. Mostly writing papers, looking at rocks and being very underpaid and underappricated.
Well as for the knowledge - I have spent a couple of decades looking at research papers, and studies done by actual paleontologists. Trying to keep up to date on the latest theories and findings.
As for becoming a paleontologist myself. Well - maybe an amateur paleontologist, since it doesn't require the actual college degrees that a professional paleontologist requires.
As for becoming a paleontologist myself. Well - maybe an amateur paleontologist, since it doesn't require the actual college degrees that a professional paleontologist requires.
- I would be surprised if Therizinosaurus is in. It's too unique, it would need pretty much a complete set of animations, with very little overlap to any confirmed dinosaurs. If it is in, I'd expect Deinocheirus as well, or some other dinosaur that can share at least some of the animations. I don't think any of the confirmed dinos fit.
- No clue what they'll pick from Lower Lufeng. Since Prosaurupods suffer from the same problem as Therizinosaurus, I'd probably put my money on Sinosaurus. Alternatively, they might just use the interpretation of Sinosaurus as a species of Dilophosaurus and put the Dilo digsite there.
- Even less of a clue: Bahariya and Chenini. Spino is obvious, but one dinosaur for 2 digsites? Pretty much the only other reasonable possibility would be Carcharodontosaurus, and that one appears to be disproved... An elaborate prank by Frontier developers when they created the build for ign, and Carcha is in after all? Won't go as far as predicting that, but it makes me wonder...
- Because of what is known about the Bissekty and Maevarano Formations, I'll go out on a limb and say that the 5 Deluxe Dinos will each get their own digsite with only the deluxe dino in it. This would mean no additional dinos from Tegama or Yuliangze either. Styracosaurus could come from multiple American Sites with overlapping dinos, so that doesn't mean much.
roughly in order of most to least certain:
Torosaurus
Giganotosaurus
Muttaburrasaurus
Mamenchisaurus/Diplodocus (I agree, I expect both)
Polacanthus
Iguanodon/Maiasaur
Gorgosaurus
Sinosaurus
Torvosaurus?
- No clue what they'll pick from Lower Lufeng. Since Prosaurupods suffer from the same problem as Therizinosaurus, I'd probably put my money on Sinosaurus. Alternatively, they might just use the interpretation of Sinosaurus as a species of Dilophosaurus and put the Dilo digsite there.
- Even less of a clue: Bahariya and Chenini. Spino is obvious, but one dinosaur for 2 digsites? Pretty much the only other reasonable possibility would be Carcharodontosaurus, and that one appears to be disproved... An elaborate prank by Frontier developers when they created the build for ign, and Carcha is in after all? Won't go as far as predicting that, but it makes me wonder...
- Because of what is known about the Bissekty and Maevarano Formations, I'll go out on a limb and say that the 5 Deluxe Dinos will each get their own digsite with only the deluxe dino in it. This would mean no additional dinos from Tegama or Yuliangze either. Styracosaurus could come from multiple American Sites with overlapping dinos, so that doesn't mean much.
roughly in order of most to least certain:
Torosaurus
Giganotosaurus
Muttaburrasaurus
Mamenchisaurus/Diplodocus (I agree, I expect both)
Polacanthus
Iguanodon/Maiasaur
Gorgosaurus
Sinosaurus
Torvosaurus?
I have noticed a issue with my/your list. We've yet to see any dinosaurs from the Yuliangze Formation ingame. The 2 most well-known from there is Ornithomimus and Tarbosaurus.
The problem with the Yuliangze Formation is it poorly known(in terms of species), especially when compared with the very similar aged Nemegt Formation(in Mongolia) & Wangshi Group(eastern China). In fact the only thing separating these three formations is distance. And even then - they are not any farther apart than we see in many of the similar age formations found in Western North America.
So I would not be surprised if the Yuliangze Formation will likely have the fauna of the near by Wangshi Group - most notably - Tsintaosaurus and Sinoceratops (FK DLC).
So I would not be surprised if the Yuliangze Formation will likely have the fauna of the near by Wangshi Group - most notably - Tsintaosaurus and Sinoceratops (FK DLC).
