DirectX 12 support, any news?

[Windscreen Smudge]

Yesterday I read: "ARK : Survival Evolved, proves that it is complicated to carry a game in DX12. For now the project is abandoned. Many people are surprised at the absence of DX12 titles, while Windows 10 arrived, worries met by Studio Wildcard are probably those that meet other developers, and it therefore seems that a DX12 game is not just a writing the same DX11 game, and that it is necessary write and encode much more" ---- Elite Dangerous for DX12 is not for tomorrow ...

Sorry, but this is because the devs chose to try and ram a square peg into a round hole with the engine they're using.

Meanwhile other devs are putting 2 guys on converting entire MMO's in their spare time as a gag and getting it done in a couple months.

 

[Kristov]

But you don't get it. I don't have a problem with Microsoft nor DirectX 12, I just won't be using Windows 10, which means I and many other gamers won't be using DirectX 12. Because of this, it's better for everyone except Microsoft if developers focus on utilizing Vulkan instead. I'm not sure why that's so difficult for you to understand.

I'm happy using Windows 7. It isn't my fault that Microsoft wants to push a new OS on me that I don't need nor want. Volkan looks to be the solution going forward. DirectX 12 could have been a solution, but Microsoft isn't interested in solutions. That's the difference.

I've read your reasons for not upgrading to Win10, nice try though. MS has replaced the Windows OS many times over the past 20 years, they'll continue to do that in the future. 'Nix, name your poison, same thing, they constantly replace/update it. Apple's OSs have been replaced/updated over the years as well. Android does the same thing. You make it sound like ONLY MS does this and they ONLY do it to bend you personally over, which is beyond silly. It's the natural progression of software, as time goes on better code is created, either to take advantage of better hardware or simply because people figured out better ways to get the code to do things. This is NOT a marketing scheme by MicroSoft or anyone else, it's electronic evolution in action.

Do you have any idea how you appear with this stuff, any idea at all? I'm in IT, I waited to upgrade systems at home and work to Win10 to make sure there weren't any little hidden issues and bugs, and so far, I've been quite happy with the upgrades. Faster performance even on the older systems we have here at work, much faster performance on my personal gaming rig, including FPS increases in all my games. I was running Win7 on my gaming rig, I had 8 on various systems here at work and hated it, but 10 is better than 7 on my gaming rig and it removed 8 from the work systems, THAT alone is worth giving it my firstborn! You can keep going on about how it's the work of the devil and all, I'll just ask if you've got enough tin foil or need any cat food if you do, just an fyi.

You keep on praying that Vulkan will let your Win7 system do half of what DX12 will do for my Win10 system, despite the fact that MS doesn't support Vulkan at all. I think about all the other things that MS never supported, look at Vulkan and feel bad, it's a great idea, could really be nice, but I really don't think it's going to get far, not on PCs at any rate. Mobiles, it could be really awesome, well, ok, it'll make Angry Birds look really awesome, Clash of Clans will be amazing! Seriously, it's probably just going to end up being an Android based video API and that's about it if MS doesn't support it. You can keep on wishing for more, but looking at history, MS doesn't support something, what tends to happen to that something? You need users, MS has them for the PC market, without their support, you don't get far in the PC market, that is reality, sad to say.

 

[WR3ND]

I've read your reasons for not upgrading to Win10, nice try though. ...

So you confirmed that I have reasons why I don't want to use Windows 10. Good job. It isn't difficult to understand the reasons for my opinion on the matter, cosidering that Vulkan should work with ALL the OSs that I personally use and DirectX 12 will work with NONE of them, so I guess there is no point discussing this with you.

Check out that video I posted though, if you haven't seen it. Some interesting stuff in there.

Oh, and by the way, I've worked in IT too, for many years even, deploying, working with, and supporting every widely used desktop, enterprise, and server version of Windows, except for Windows 10 (so far) in both financial and educational institutions. So lets not go touting irrelevant factoids about ourselves. What I find rather telling about your comments are your petty and irrelevant attempts to discredit and belittle my opinion, not your career decisions. (Though I would advise against updating user PCs to Windows 10 for quite some time yet in any kind of mainstream enterprise environment, but that's your call, not mine.)

 

[Soopyyy]

So you confirmed that I have reasons why I don't want to use Windows 10. Good job. It isn't dificult to understand the reasons for my opinion on the matter, cosidering that Vulkan should work with ALL the OSs that I personally use and DirectX 12 will work with NONE of them, so I juess there is no point discussing this with you.

Check out that video I posted though, if you haven't seen it. Some interesting stuff in there.

This is about as intelligent as not wanting to upgrade from an IBM 386 and still wanting ED to work...

 

[WR3ND]

This is about as intelligent as not wanting to upgrade from an IBM 386 and still wanting ED to work...

Your analogy makes no sense, because in it, ED works just fine on a 386. I guess you're not understanding what I'm saying and why.

It's about the future. (ED is in the present and doesn't fully utilize resources already available to it.)

It's pretty simple. Want your games to run well on something other than just Windows 10 and Xbox One? (I know I do.) Thankfully, there's a next gen. API for that, and it isn't DirectX 12.

Spoiler

[video=youtube;NqensKmmRfE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqensKmmRfE[/video]

 

[CmdrJacks]

Sometimes a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. 256bit processors? Really? Jeezy Creezy.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Sorry, but this is because the devs chose to try and ram a square peg into a round hole with the engine they're using.

As with Apollo XIII, when they try to regulate the CO2 ?

 

[popuptoaster]

I don't know why people are reluctant to upgrade to W10, somehow just because its from MS, is free and collects user data it's a bad thing?

You guys do realise MS are gradually adding the same data collection to W7 and W8?

If you have auto updates on then you already have very similar set up to W10 as far as that goes, currently you can disable those updates but I dare say it won't be long before they become compulsory.

If this kind of thing bothers you you'll need to be moving over to Linux or similar.

Check these out, they are a month or so old now so there may be new ones.


KB3068708 Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry - This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices. By applying this service, you can add benefits from the latest version of Windows to systems that have not yet upgraded. The update also supports applications that are subscribed to Visual Studio Application Insights. (Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1), and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1)

KB3022345 (replaced by KB3068708) Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry - This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to in-market devices. By applying this service, you can add benefits from the latest version of Windows to systems that have not yet been upgraded. The update also supports applications that are subscribed to Visual Studio Application Insights. (Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1), and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1)

KB3075249 Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 - This update adds telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels. (Windows 8.1, Windows RT 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1), and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1)

KB3080149 Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry - This package updates the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to existing devices. This service provides benefits from the latest version of Windows to systems that have not yet upgraded. The update also supports applications that are subscribed to Visual Studio Application Insights. (Windows 8.1, Windows RT 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1), and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1)

 

[CmdrJacks]

It is true that win10 "upgrades" will be deployed in to all supported versions of windows. Nobody can really control it unless they also turn off security updates, MS loves to hide their data collection behind security. You may as well accept it. It is also true that it's probably not worth updating unless you need something you can't get on 7/8/8.1. If you do update you can roll back (personally, I'd keep an image to do my rolling back manually, but you still have to use their rollback tool first for license purposes). I needed win10 for reasons, and since then I've been stuck on an older AMD driver and my realtek ethernet port just refuses to power up.

The moral of the story is: keep backups, upgrade if you want/need but at the end of the day: you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. People should be used to this by now.

 

[WR3ND]

I run a lot of custom software on my Windows 7 machine, and am well versed in the art of Microsoft breaking things, even their own supported products with security update... "side effects." (I've mentioned this before, but something tells me that isn't what that fellow back a handful of posts was going on about.) Basically, Windows 7 will work better for me than 10.

I view the privacy concerns more from a security risk perspective. People (IT professionals especially) need to take a real hard look at the potential risks associated with using Windows 10, other than just looking at the normal compatibility concerns, before deciding to use it. In my opinion, it isn't ready for primetime anyway, but again, that's for you guys to sort out for yourselves. Good luck.

On my other personal PCs (clarification through redundancy), I have switched to Linux and will be continuing to move in that direction going forward. It's ironic that by not supporting their own OS, Windows 7, with updates to DirectX 12 and the like, Microsoft hopes to push me to Windows 10, when what they're really doing is pushing me away to another OS platform altogether. Though at present, I don't use Linux as my main OS on my main PC for some of the same reasons why I won't be using Windows 10.

 

[V3teran]

Because the game barely uses 1.5GB of RAM as it is.
It doesn't even reach the limit that 32bit has.

If the game had a 64bit client, players would see absolutely no benefit. There would not be any performance improvements in the slightest.

Actually my game uses about 3.2gb in stations using MLAAx4 at 1440p.
There is always room for improvement regarding the visuals in my opinion.
The game should include the latest PC technology when it becomes available but also support older technologies.
Remember this is a PC game first and foremost and not console, which means it should be taking advantage of the best tech that there is.

 

[Kristov]

I run a lot of custom software on my Windows 7 machine, and am well versed in the art of Microsoft breaking things, even their own supported products with security update... "side effects." (I've mentioned this before, but something tells me that isn't what that fellow back a handful of posts was going on about.) Basically, Windows 7 will work better for me than 10.

I view the privacy concerns more from a security risk perspective. People (IT professionals especially) need to take a real hard look at the potential risks associated with using Windows 10, other than just looking at the normal compatibility concerns, before deciding to use it. In my opinion, it isn't ready for primetime anyway, but again, that's for you guys to sort out for yourselves. Good luck.

On my other personal PCs (clarification through redundancy), I have switched to Linux and will be continuing to move in that direction going forward. It's ironic that by not supporting their own OS, Windows 7, with updates to DirectX 12 and the like, Microsoft hopes to push me to Windows 10, when what they're really doing is pushing me away to another OS platform altogether. Though at present, I don't use Linux as my main OS on my main PC for some of the same reasons why I won't be using Windows 10.

I don't use Windows OS because it's secure, no one in IT does, we use it because it's the defacto standard and is catered to by the rest of the software world, that's reality and we have to deal with it no matter how much we dislike it. And if security is your issue, man...seriously, wtbf.

I have very tight security on my systems at work, I have to, cellphone business, we have both federal regs on that AND the major telecom requirements and the big boys do NOT mess around with the security. And I know it'll take someone who's simply bored very little time to get into my systems without me knowing about it until well after the event. And that's the only security risk I need to worry about, someone who's bored, as we aren't a target for the pro's, nothing we have is worth taking and our access to the big boys is purely tech side, nothing with customer data at all, we're simply not targets. My home system, I don't worry for the same reason, only someone who's bored will be hitting it and I won't even know it's happening until it's over if they are even halfassed decent. If you are connected to the internet, you are wide open and you can't stop it without cutting that line. And you know all this, so what the hell are you off about?

You don't like MS, get over it, I don't know anyone in IT who does like MS, never met anyone in IT who did except for MS Certificate holders who couldn't even find the power button on a PC(not a joke). MS is what it is, the 800lb gorilla, everyone caters to them because they are on more PCs than all the other options combined. Combined. ALL the other options. I want to play video games, so I use Windows. I want to play the latest and most cutting edge video games, so I use Windows 10. If I wanted to play old games with crappy graphics, I'd jump on my 'Nix box, but I'm not really into that. Buddy of mine is, he doesn't have a game made in the last 10 years or so and doesn't run on 'Nix. He watches me play Elite and SC and MWO and gets ALL kinds of upset and starts ranting and raving about security and all that. I tell him to take another hit and shut up, he's got a XBone for his kid that HE won't touch, has a Pentium II system that he uses to play all his games, and always wants me to load up one of MY games so he can live vicariously, break down and upgrade as I did OR keep making your stand and shut up. I think he's going to get Elite for the XBone...for his kid....uh huh.