In terms of tamarins, I think either of the lion tamarins or the emperor tamarin are most likely if we ever do get one... but I have to say that the only tamarin (and new world monkey in general, sorry) that would really excite me is Geoffrey's tamarin. What's better than a monkey with a mane or a monkey with a moustache?
In terms of tamarins, I think either of the lion tamarins or the emperor tamarin are most likely if we ever do get one... but I have to say that the only tamarin (and new world monkey in general, sorry) that would really excite me is Geoffrey's tamarin. What's better than a monkey with a mane or a monkey with a moustache?
Now I'm picturing all four tamarins, the Geoffreys, Golden Lion, Cotton Topped and Emperor, all in humanoid bodies and rocking like it's a hair metal band.
Random Question:
Why does no one ever seem to consider the goldenhanded tamarin when talking about SA Monkeys?
With 179 holdings spanning across every continent with a zoo on it and especally one of the more common SA monkeys in Asian Zoos youd figure they would rank among the big 5 of the small south american monkeys here on the forums. I get that marmosetts are deamed to small, but this guy got the same stats as the other tamarins but no one talks about them even if its equal to atleast the emperor tamarin, having actually more holdings then the still over 100 holdings of the emperor. Not saying that the emperor tamarin is not common or a great addition, id love em, but its weird how the golden handed is completly left out of the discussion
I think it may be that the other small monkeys like Golden Lion Tamarin and Emperor Tamarin, even the Pygmy Marmoset, are just simply more recognizable. Personally, I had no idea this little guy even existed until seeing this and I've been obsessed with zoos and animals for ages. Even if they're less common in captivity, the other monkeys are probably more iconic if we're basing it on your average zoogoer or casual player.
That being said, any South/Central American primate is welcome in my book.
Honestly they werent bad picks with the mountain goat being fairly well known internationally and the marsh deer probably being the best mid sized deer to represent south america.
God it’s so depressing to me to hear those of you from the Americas and Europe all talk about how “common” certain species are in captivity!
Here in Australia, every single zoo has almost exactly the same roster - it’s like the radio playing the hot hits, just the same 30 exotic species on rotation. Our strict import laws + phasing out of species that were kept in my lifetime is really limiting us. I haven’t even seen a macaw in a zoo for about a decade. Our small reptile collection is alright.
As a continent we have very few exotic animals there are no canis canids besides the dingo barely 2 bear species with a single polar bear in seaworld, and the only new world monkeys that are wide spread are tamarins and marmosets with a handful of zoos also having capuchins and spider monkeys. We have very few of the animals other deem as iconic with less than 5 zoos having the mara or coati and something iconic as hippos are just as rare.
Huh that's interesting, I never really thought of macaws being that uncommon in Australian zoos but that's just because two of my local zoos still display multiple species. Looking at Zootierliste the blue-and-yellow macaw is still decently common with 17 holdings, but all other species are recorded as being kept in less than 10 zoos (next most common is red-and-green macaw with 8 holdings followed by scarlet macaw with a surprisingly low 6 holdings). Would have thought there would be more than that.
At least their presence in the pet trade means species like the blue-and-yellow, red-and-green and scarlet macaws are probably going to remain in captivity in Aus for a while, the same can't be said for other species like hyacinths unfortunately.
I have visited a good handful of zoos along the east coast and have only seen macaws twice (3 times if you count an early childhood memory of a zoo that no longer has them).
also im calling it now the 2 remaining animals are going to be the whitetail deer and bobcat they are super easy clones well known and are from frontiers favourite groups. They also fit the theme and other animals really well. I think the mara and coati fit almost as well aside from the fact that they seem too perfect.
Honestly they werent bad picks with the mountain goat being fairly well known internationally and the marsh deer probably being the best mid sized deer to represent south america.
Of course, it is going to be subjective to everyone else, but for me personally, I would hate to have a second goat in this pack, more so because it is also similar to Dall Sheep visually and regarding the Marsh Deer, while it is very pretty, it is basically non-existant in captivity outside of South America, just something I care about, someone else might love these picks, sure.
Some people thought the same about gibbons some time ago here. Many people claimed that they would be too hard for Frontier to portray accurately. Yet here they are, done quite nice.
I don’t think there is an animal species that would impossible for them to create. It’s just their will to make them or not.
Your missing my point. If its just the color, then why are the most commonly requested howler and spider monkey the black ones and not the much more colorfull red howler and golden spider monkey?
If its that simple, then this is a 2/3 situation where the black monkeys are winning, just kidding, 3/4 if we count guerezas as the most commonly requested african monkey eventhough their are many more colorfull mangabeys and guenons to fill that spot
It's not just colour, but colour plays a big role. With the other examples, people go for the most recognisable one. Black howlers and Geoffroy's spider monkeys are more common (besides, the howler has different colours). The guereza is also quite distinct from other African monkeys and very common in zoos. When you talk about tamarins, however, they're just not all that different and the GLT is definitely a recognisable species to many, for a big part because of its striking colour.
also im calling it now the 2 remaining animals are going to be the whitetail deer and bobcat they are super easy clones well known and are from frontiers favourite groups. They also fit the theme and other animals really well. I think the mara and coati fit almost as well aside from the fact that they seem too perfect.
It may be possible but certainly disappointing. I have doubt though. Would Frontier ignore the meta wishlist for this DLC when it looks like they've taken it into account over the years? From the species we know for the moment, the Rhea is the highest in the current wishlist while being "only" at the #14 place. American Flamingo and White-Faced Saki are #37, Coyote is #64 tied with a lot of other species and Bighorn Sheep is #89.
White-Tailed Deer and Bobcat are #79 and #141 while the Mara and the South American Coati share the #1 spot. I don't think we'll have both but I would be shocked, to say the least, if they ignore the coati.
It may be possible but certainly disappointing. I have doubt though. Would Frontier ignore the meta wishlist for this DLC when it looks like they've taken it into account over the years? From the species we know for the moment, the Rhea is the highest in the current wishlist while being "only" at the #14 place. American Flamingo and White-Faced Saki are #37, Coyote is #64 tied with a lot of other species and Bighorn Sheep is #89.
White-Tailed Deer and Bobcat are #79 and #141 while the Mara and the South American Coati share the #1 spot. I don't think we'll have both but I would shocked, to say the least, if they ignore the coati.
Random Question:
Why does no one ever seem to consider the goldenhanded tamarin when talking about SA Monkeys?
With 179 holdings spanning across every continent with a zoo on it and especally one of the more common SA monkeys in Asian Zoos youd figure they would rank among the big 5 of the small south american monkeys here on the forums. I get that marmosetts are deamed to small, but this guy got the same stats as the other tamarins but no one talks about them even if its equal to atleast the emperor tamarin, having actually more holdings then the still over 100 holdings of the emperor. Not saying that the emperor tamarin is not common or a great addition, id love em, but its weird how the golden handed is completly left out of the discussion
I'm pretty confident that we will at least see the iconic tail hanging pose of the Saki. We've seen quite a few custom resting animations for arboreal animals starting with the siamang in 2022, so I have no doubt that the Saki will have its famous pose
I'm pretty confident that we will at least see the iconic tail hanging pose of the Saki. We've seen quite a few custom resting animations for arboreal animals starting with the siamang in 2022, so I have no doubt that the Saki will have its famous pose
Is it that famous though? It's just the way the animal's tail works, it's not like the siamangs brachiation or the way leopards lie down on branches, it's just the way the animal's tail moves. I really want regular falling tails (as I do with the lemurs, mostly the ruffed lemurs, it looks so un-natural to see their tails constantly up in that curved pose) but I don't know if Frontier will care that much for it.
God it’s so depressing to me to hear those of you from the Americas and Europe all talk about how “common” certain species are in captivity!
Here in Australia, every single zoo has almost exactly the same roster - it’s like the radio playing the hot hits, just the same 30 exotic species on rotation. Our strict import laws + phasing out of species that were kept in my lifetime is really limiting us. I haven’t even seen a macaw in a zoo for about a decade. Our small reptile collection is alright.
Adelaide zoo has a couple Macaw and Amazon types, Melbourne zoo has a Macaw experience.
Exotic birds are decently common in the Australian pet trade, including Macaws. In terms of non-aviary birds though, flamingoes don't exist in Australia anymore (there was a Greater and Chilean at Adelaide, that they never invested in getting more of), though there's some in New Zealand.
In the case of exotic mammals, they're certainly a lot more restricted, but with a Zoo license, I think it's more of a cost barrier for transporting international species, on top of the application cost.
There's some post 2001 additions that are in the game: Red-ruffed Lemur in 2022, Cougar in 2020 (on the condition it's desexed), Pygmy Hippo in 2019 (housed at Adelaide zoo), Okapi in 2018, Yellow Anaconda in 2018 (Males only), Colombian White-faced Capuchin in 2015 (only for filming purposes, re-exported after filming), Aldabra Giant Tortoise in 2011 (requires high security facilities, enclosed by knee high fence at Adelaide).
Adelaide zoo has a couple Macaw and Amazon types, Melbourne zoo has a Macaw experience.
Exotic birds are decently common in the Australian pet trade, including Macaws. In terms of non-aviary birds though, flamingoes don't exist in Australia anymore (there was a Greater and Chilean at Adelaide, that they never invested in getting more of), though there's some in New Zealand.
In the case of exotic mammals, they're certainly a lot more restricted, but with a Zoo license, I think it's more of a cost barrier for transporting international species, on top of the application cost.
There's some post 2001 additions that are in the game: Red-ruffed Lemur in 2022, Cougar in 2020 (on the condition it's desexed), Pygmy Hippo in 2019 (housed at Adelaide zoo), Okapi in 2018, Yellow Anaconda in 2018 (Males only), Colombian White-faced Capuchin in 2015 (only for filming purposes, re-exported after filming), Aldabra Giant Tortoise in 2011 (requires high security facilities, enclosed by knee high fence at Adelaide).
Adelaide zoo has a couple Macaw and Amazon types, Melbourne zoo has a Macaw experience.
Exotic birds are decently common in the Australian pet trade, including Macaws. In terms of non-aviary birds though, flamingoes don't exist in Australia anymore (there was a Greater and Chilean at Adelaide, that they never invested in getting more of), though there's some in New Zealand.
In the case of exotic mammals, they're certainly a lot more restricted, but with a Zoo license, I think it's more of a cost barrier for transporting international species, on top of the application cost.
There's some post 2001 additions that are in the game: Red-ruffed Lemur in 2022, Cougar in 2020 (on the condition it's desexed), Pygmy Hippo in 2019 (housed at Adelaide zoo), Okapi in 2018, Yellow Anaconda in 2018 (Males only), Colombian White-faced Capuchin in 2015 (only for filming purposes, re-exported after filming), Aldabra Giant Tortoise in 2011 (requires high security facilities, enclosed by knee high fence at Adelaide).
I just made a big “create my own challenge” spreadsheet and would have liked to use that list! I did end making my own. In terms of mammals, we have fewer than 100 exotic species in Australian zoos, with many species represented by only 1 or 2 elderly individuals. I think that’s pretty sad.
Anyway, that just makes me more hyped for Planet Zoo exotics!! Personally, I’m hoping for coati + burrowing owl/roadrunner or coati + a second NA monkey, or coati + elk.
Adelaide zoo has a couple Macaw and Amazon types, Melbourne zoo has a Macaw experience.
Exotic birds are decently common in the Australian pet trade, including Macaws. In terms of non-aviary birds though, flamingoes don't exist in Australia anymore (there was a Greater and Chilean at Adelaide, that they never invested in getting more of), though there's some in New Zealand.
In the case of exotic mammals, they're certainly a lot more restricted, but with a Zoo license, I think it's more of a cost barrier for transporting international species, on top of the application cost.
There's some post 2001 additions that are in the game: Red-ruffed Lemur in 2022, Cougar in 2020 (on the condition it's desexed), Pygmy Hippo in 2019 (housed at Adelaide zoo), Okapi in 2018, Yellow Anaconda in 2018 (Males only), Colombian White-faced Capuchin in 2015 (only for filming purposes, re-exported after filming), Aldabra Giant Tortoise in 2011 (requires high security facilities, enclosed by knee high fence at Adelaide).