DLC18 discussion and predictions

So with only 8 animals this is my best guess to what it will be while keeping it “realistic”. Well, not 100% realistic but as close as to what I think it can be. This isn’t necessarily my preferred outcome either, but I wouldn’t hate it.

Zookeeper Collection
  1. Hamadryas baboon
  2. Black howler monkey
  3. Musk Ox
  4. Ocelot
  5. American flamingo
  6. Mandarin duck
  7. Grey crowned crane
  8. Exhibit: I’m just gonna go with the chameleon for now
Here is my reasoning:
  1. Hamadryas baboon and the black howler are highly requested, while we have never gotten more than one primate in a pack this would be the pack to do it. Also this is where I think a majority of the “effort” will go in. I don’t think much of the pack will need new rigs, but I can see the monkeys being a bit difficult.
  2. The musk ox is a popular Arctic ungulate found in Europe and North America. Frontier loves ungulates so I think this one might be likely. I imagine the shaggy fur may also make it a “high effort” animal. Which could effect the other animal choices on the final pack due to time crunch.
  3. I hate to say this, but I think South America is gonna be stiffed again. I imagine as a carnivore/ cat Frontier will do the ocelot to give just a bit more. The ocelot ranks pretty high, and usually Frontier likes to add more to their popular animal groups anyways.
  4. The birds are the most “unrealistic” in that we have never got more than 1 in an animal pack. With the call for more birds I can see Frontier throwing a bone. My reasoning is that Frontier can also use the “more birds” as a way to add some highly requested filler animals. So that’s why I think the American Flamingo and Grey Crowned Crane can get in. Both have a presence, and both use the same rig so are easy to implement. The mandarin duck reuses the swan rig, and that I imagine is the “high effort” bird. This is me being slightly hopeful that we get more than one, but I won’t be surprised if it is only one.
  5. Exhibit: it’s an animated statue and people have wanted a chameleon for awhile.
The 3 birds and 2 primates in the same pack aren’t realistic, but I find it more realistic than the final pack being 12 animals. I also think Frontier recognizes people want birds and monkeys. Now that wouldn’t stop the birds from being mostly clones/ filler.
What's crazy is I actually like your roster more than most final pack predictions I've seen... Hamadryas baboon is almost a given. Zoo game needs a baboon, Hamadryas apparently occurs in parts of Asia in addition to Africa. It is also much prettier than other baboons IMO. Black Howler Monkey is my favorite of the potential NWP aside from the Golden Lion Tamarin. I have never campaigned for it until after the final roster was probably set in stone but I'd be happy to see it now and added it to my Wishlist. Musk Ox is icon of the arctic, IMO as important to the arctic as takin is to the Himalayas. Ocelot would add a small cat to the New World which as an American I want more than a serval. American Flamingo would probably be my favorite of this roster, even though its a clone I would be glad for a North American bird that is the epitome of its type with its brighter color. I've seen flamingos in real life so I'd love this one. Mandarin Duck is among the most beautiful and exotic of ducks. Grey-crowned Crane is unique in its anatomy and its African range. I'd also love a second crane as much as I wanted a second bat. Plus this is very common in zoos, another one I have seen in real life. Lastly, the Chameleon is as necessary as a baboon for a zoo game.
I feel like this would be a decent note to end PZ on...
I still hope for: pheasant, lagomorph, possum, bush dog OR tanuki, second swan... BUT this is realistic and I'd be happy with it.
 
What about the Howler Monkey???
It's fire honestly, not my most wanted primate (Golden lion tamarin, my beloved) but it's the most different primate compared to the capuchin, and is a great animal by itself, just not good enough to justify the ocelot and flamingo
Considering Frontiers past with South America I also found it to be the most realistic unfortunately.
I have my doubts about it, mainly when the rhea and spec bear (and coati, but that's another 500) are right there
 
The thing I'm scared about is the JWE2 pack had the Segisaurus, which is almost an exact clone to the Coelophysis, like it looks almost the same just bigger. So while I would like to think frontier wouldn't do this with PZ, I can sadly kinda see them putting something like the American Flamingo in.

But on a more positive note, the baboon is probably the most likely for the final pack - especially if its a collection pack. I mean come on, a pack that's theme is the most popular and essential zoo animals basically, they can't not include it. Its common in zoos, is an abc animal, iconic and essential to African areas and is something a lot of people wanted, especially after its missed inclusions from Arid and Grasslands. As long as the baboon makes it, my initial pack rating will already be high lol.
 
It's fire honestly, not my most wanted primate (Golden lion tamarin, my beloved) but it's the most different primate compared to the capuchin, and is a great animal by itself, just not good enough to justify the ocelot and flamingo

I have my doubts about it, mainly when the rhea and spec bear (and coati, but that's another 500) are right there
Good point, honestly what made me think the ocelot is that we got another new Bear recently. Though you are right the bear could also easily work. The Rhea falls into that same category, could also easily replace the flamingo. My thoughts though were that frontier would pick the flamingo due to its color and popularity. Also considering we haven’t got any new flamingos since launch.

Who knows, maybe Frontier picks the Chilean flamingo as the oddball pick.
 
The thing I'm scared about is the JWE2 pack had the Segisaurus, which is almost an exact clone to the Coelophysis, like it looks almost the same just bigger. So while I would like to think frontier wouldn't do this with PZ, I can sadly kinda see them putting something like the American Flamingo in.

But on a more positive note, the baboon is probably the most likely for the final pack - especially if it’s a collection pack. I mean come on, a pack that's theme is the most popular and essential zoo animals basically, they can't not include it. It’s common in zoos, is an abc animal, iconic and essential to African areas and is something a lot of people wanted, especially after its missed inclusions from Arid and Grasslands.
That was also my thoughts. Frontier knows we want birds, but they will probably pick the birds that are the easiest to clone.
  1. Greater Flamingo = American flamingo
  2. Flamingo/ crane = Grey Crowned Crane
  3. Peacock/ Chicken = golden pheasant
  4. Swan = new waterfowl of some sort, my thoughts are duck but wouldn’t be surprised with a goose or black swan
 
So with only 8 animals this is my best guess to what it will be while keeping it “realistic”. Well, not 100% realistic but as close as to what I think it can be. This isn’t necessarily my preferred outcome either, but I wouldn’t hate it.

Zookeeper Collection
  1. Hamadryas baboon
  2. Black howler monkey
  3. Musk Ox
  4. Ocelot
  5. American flamingo
  6. Mandarin duck
  7. Grey crowned crane
  8. Exhibit: I’m just gonna go with the chameleon for now
Here is my reasoning:
  1. Hamadryas baboon and the black howler are highly requested, while we have never gotten more than one primate in a pack this would be the pack to do it. Also this is where I think a majority of the “effort” will go in. I don’t think much of the pack will need new rigs, but I can see the monkeys being a bit difficult.
  2. The musk ox is a popular Arctic ungulate found in Europe and North America. Frontier loves ungulates so I think this one might be likely. I imagine the shaggy fur may also make it a “high effort” animal. Which could effect the other animal choices on the final pack due to time crunch.
  3. I hate to say this, but I think South America is gonna be stiffed again. I imagine as a carnivore/ cat Frontier will do the ocelot to give just a bit more. The ocelot ranks pretty high, and usually Frontier likes to add more to their popular animal groups anyways.
  4. The birds are the most “unrealistic” in that we have never got more than 1 in an animal pack. With the call for more birds I can see Frontier throwing a bone. My reasoning is that Frontier can also use the “more birds” as a way to add some highly requested filler animals. So that’s why I think the American Flamingo and Grey Crowned Crane can get in. Both have a presence, and both use the same rig so are easy to implement. The mandarin duck reuses the swan rig, and that I imagine is the “high effort” bird. This is me being slightly hopeful that we get more than one, but I won’t be surprised if it is only one.
  5. Exhibit: it’s an animated statue and people have wanted a chameleon for awhile.
The 3 birds and 2 primates in the same pack aren’t realistic, but I find it more realistic than the final pack being 12 animals. I also think Frontier recognizes people want birds and monkeys. Now that wouldn’t stop the birds from being mostly clones/ filler.
Alright I'll do my take on this with my reasoning.
Planet Zoo: Keeper's Collection Pack
. Black Howler Monkey (Alt. Squirrel Monkey)
. Mallard Duck (Alt. Mandarin Duck)
. Hamadryas Baboon (Alt. B&W Colobus)
. South American Coati (Alt. Ocelot)
. Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo (Alt. Honey Badger)
. Short-beaked Echidna (Alt. Rock Hyrax)
. Secretary Bird (Alt. Gray Crowned Crane)
. King Cobra (E) (Alt. Parsons' Chameleon (E))

Howler: South American monkey. We need one. Like desperately, and Frontier definitely knows that. I think that it would be the least work on their part, as well as it uses the forgotten chorus behavior, so ultimately I think this would be the pick. Squirrel monkey is the Alt because it is also fairly low work and while it definitely wouldn't replace the Howler it would at least help fill thee niche.

Mallard: Duck. It's that simple. Its also the most common one. They have the rig now and can make it fairly easily just by reusing stuff from the swan. It would also open the gate to better duck modding, which would fill out some of the other species once support wraps up. Mandarin is the closest second because it fills the same need as well as it being pretty common in zoos.

Hamadryas Baboon: A Baboon is definitely one of the last iconic zoo animals that we are still lacking in the game. Hamadryas I chose because of popularity and the supposed 'leak' on the Planco dictionary. B&W Colobus is next in line because we still don't have any true African monkeys which are definitely less desirable than the Baboon but it's still a decent pick.

South American Coati: South America is severely lacking in animal diversity in PZ. Coatis are somewhere near the top if not at the top of the wishlist, so that definitely gains it points. The sub is the ocelot which is definitely not an adequate alternative for the coati but it is probably the next best thing for SA diversity.

Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo: This was also leaked on the dictionary and is also one of the most glaring commissions from the Oceania pack. It would probably be the most work out of all the picks but some theorize they did a simpler pack for Barnyard so they could buy extra time for the finale, which I could definitely see as a possibility. The Alternative is the Honey Badger which while it doesn't share the same niche, it is also a fairly highly requested species that would definitely be welcome in the game.

Short-beaked Echidna: This is another one that was a possibility for Australia and Oceania but was left out, probably because of its complex quills. But now that we have the porcupine it could be easier to pull off. The second in line for this spot is the Rock Hyrax which would probably be taken as an at least somewhat reasonable substitute.

Secretary Bird: Also a part of the leaked gang, this has been a popular pick for a while now. It would be a welcome addition to a final pack as it has been on or near the top of the meta wishlist for a while now. It's substitute is another African bird, the Gray Crowned Crane, which would also be a very good addition to the game's roster.

Finally, we have the exhibit species the King Cobra. As some say, it's funny to have a zoo game without the species the platform it runs on is named after. It is also a very unique species that is iconic and semi-popular. The Alternative would be the Parsons' Chameleon because it is also an iconic, semi-popular species to be added.
 
But on a more positive note, the baboon is probably the most likely for the final pack - especially if its a collection pack. I mean come on, a pack that's theme is the most popular and essential zoo animals basically, they can't not include it.
I mean they booted it in arid aswell despite it being the most requested animal for the theme, so never say never. Especially since its a monkey and were still talking about frontier here :D
 
the baboon is probably the most likely for the final pack

come on, a pack that's theme is the most popular and essential zoo animals basically, they can't not include it.
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Good point, honestly what made me think the ocelot is that we got another new Bear recently. Though you are right the bear could also easily work. The Rhea falls into that same category, could also easily replace the flamingo. My thoughts though were that frontier would pick the flamingo due to its color and popularity. Also considering we haven’t got any new flamingos since launch.

Who knows, maybe Frontier picks the Chilean flamingo as the oddball pick.

Frontier would pick the flamingo not because of popularity (which is divisive) or colors (is not something they have prioritize before) but because is basically a reskin. Doesn't need much more that turning up the hue of the greater flamingo. I do understand that people like the animal irl, it can even be your favorite animal but wanting it as one of the few animals left over other options is something i really don't get.

Like yeah is realistic to expect it because is easy for Frontier to make, but wanting it as one of the final 8 is just wasting a slot in the final roster imo.
 
Me seeing Frontier make a pack and exclude one of the most popular and fitting animal from the pack by no reason at all:
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Oh I’m sure there is a “good reason” as to why they don’t add certain animals. We will just never hear their reasoning so we will never know.

Could be technical, limitations of the game make certain things harder.

Could be they decide almost a whole year in advance, so the ship corrects course way too slowly.

Could be that the sales team shows that birds and monkeys don’t sell as well as other animals.

Could be that some of the leaders have their own biases and want to see animals. Like one higher up must love hoofstock.

Could be that the team has certain skill sets, and are on a time crunch. If you have 5 out of 8 animals made it might be easier for them to make hoofstock/ Carnivora over other animals.
 
If we get the american flamingo instead of the scarlet ibis or roseate spoonbill im gonna be mighty dissappointed ngl
Yeah i know blahblah clone but especally in a grabback pack they could just clone something else instead, for example a squirrel monkey from the capuchin or another lemure like the crowned lemure or even just a smaller tortoise.
Speaking of crowned lemure, if madagascar should be revisited i wouldnt be mad at all to get them for the game.
Just a very solid and distinct looking addition if we should get another basic true lemure with very pretty gender dimorphism for the cherry or should i say crown on top.
Madagascar might not be in dire need of attention and completly fine, but withhow little primates we have i dont think we should forget the true lemures as some of the best clone options
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Frontier would pick the flamingo not because of popularity (which is divisive) or colors (is not something they have prioritize before) but because is basically a reskin. Doesn't need much more that turning up the hue of the greater flamingo. I do understand that people like the animal irl, it can even be your favorite animal but wanting it as one of the few animals left over other options is something i really don't get.

Like yeah is realistic to expect it because is easy for Frontier to make, but wanting it as one of the final 8 is just wasting a slot in the final roster imo.
I’d much rather get the Roseate Spoonbill or Scarlet Ibis over another flamingo unless it is included as en extra because it is such a simple reskin.
Oh don’t get me wrong, I would pick the roseate spoonbill over the American flamingo any day. When I was making that list I was thinking what was realistic, and the American Flamingo is probably a safer bet over others.

Also I wouldn’t say the American Flamingo is divisive. It might be divisive on this forum, which is full of animal/ zoo nerds. To the general public it might be more popular. 10 very people active on this forum might not want the American Flamingo, and 600 people placed it below 50 on the meta wishlist. Then they could be 1,000+ players who do not care and want it anyways. They may not care in the slightest how much of a “reskin” it is. It will be similar to the barnyard pack, what was divisive on this forum was very popular off of it.

Don’t get me wrong spoonbill > another flamingo, but I don’t know if I would call it divisive over just being less interesting. I just know @Captain Callum and I are American Flamingo apologists.
 
I just want a colourful South American bird. 😢

Would I prefer Roseatte Spoonbill or Scarlet Ibis over the American Flamingo? Yes, but I will take what I can get at this point. In an ideal world, we would get all three, but I want at least one of them… To be honest, the roster of the next pack is already set in stone at this point, so our current wishlists we post here do not matter anyways.
 
Oh don’t get me wrong, I would pick the roseate spoonbill over the American flamingo any day. When I was making that list I was thinking what was realistic, and the American Flamingo is probably a safer bet over others.

Also I wouldn’t say the American Flamingo is divisive. It might be divisive on this forum, which is full of animal/ zoo nerds. To the general public it might be more popular. 10 very people active on this forum might not want the American Flamingo, and 600 people placed it below 50 on the meta wishlist. Then they could be 1,000+ players who do not care and want it anyways. They may not care in the slightest how much of a “reskin” it is. It will be similar to the barnyard pack, what was divisive on this forum was very popular off of it.

Don’t get me wrong spoonbill > another flamingo, but I don’t know if I would call it divisive over just being less interesting. I just know @Captain Callum and I are American Flamingo apologists.
I think for general public a flamingo is just a flamingo and they got that in the base game 🤷🏻‍♂️

My issue with it is that is literally just a reskin. Is not even that different in anatomy. Like an Andean flamingo is more distinctive from the greater flamingo because it also looks different and has a different size. The american flamingo is just the greater flamingo with a paintjob.

I have no doubt it will look beautiful but with SO many other options out there for american birds it really isn't a priority.

Anyway discussing this is kind of pointless because knowing Frontier the flamingo is probably exactly what they choose for the next pack lol
 
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