DLC20 Discussion (maybe, but why not?)

[Moonfox]

tbh not many American zoos have South American sections, let alone good ones. The only good ones I know of are Miami’s Amazon, Houston’s Pantanal, National’s Amazonia and my personal favorite, Dallas World Aquarium. Is this the same in Europe and Australia? I feel like the diversity among South American species (in zoos) is pretty similar to PZ aside from the Amazon River giants, birds, and monkeys.

Australian zoos have the worst biodiversity on the planet. Our import laws are too strict, and there’s been a major shift towards regional conservation focus (valid, but a bit of a shame that even within that context species are limited).

South American species in Australian zoos are very much limited to a few species of tamarin, maned wolves, capybaras, capuchins and reptiles. Pretty much only the cotton top tamarins and marmosets are common. To me, SA animals are exciting because I have to travel interstate or internationally to see any of them! I haven’t even seen a macaw in a local zoo for about a decade.

 

[Milurian]

Australian zoos have the worst biodiversity on the planet. Our import laws are too strict, and there’s been a major shift towards regional conservation focus (valid, but a bit of a shame that even within that context species are limited).

South American species in Australian zoos are very much limited to a few species of tamarin, maned wolves, capybaras, capuchins and reptiles. Pretty much only the cotton top tamarins and marmosets are common. To me, SA animals are exciting because I have to travel interstate or internationally to see any of them! I haven’t even seen a macaw in a local zoo for about a decade.

This also extends beyond just zoos australia just generally has some of the strictest animal movement laws making it so that its legitimately easier for americans to legally own and keep native australian mammals and birds as pets than it is for australians and for a majority of exotic pets there is no hope of ever owning them in australia,

 

[DarthQuell]

Australian zoos have the worst biodiversity on the planet. Our import laws are too strict, and there’s been a major shift towards regional conservation focus (valid, but a bit of a shame that even within that context species are limited).

It's a mixed blessing, I believe. I love the biodiversity in American zoos, but at the same time I'd love some more local spotlights.
Australia's rules regarding animal collection I find quite interesting. Yeah, y'all don't have much biodiversity it seems, but at the same time I think it's groovy gravy that y'all focus so much on local species

 

[Swjosdotschka]

Fair and valid.
and because Asiatic lions do feature in a lot of British zoos

So do Coatis... 46 holdings in the UK is not nothing.

I don't even know why we should compare the two. Or while one reduces the likelyhood of the other.

That said, for the longest time I also said "because we need a new model", but lately I heared someone bring up the argument that a bad model work on the base game animal should not be the main reason we want anotehr clone (and be willing to pay for it). Which I agree with, honestly. Doesn't mean I would not want them anymore. Two of the zoos I regularly go to and I kind of love the idea of messing with the average zoo visitors head. I loved the inclusion of the african penguin for example, especially after so many complained that we got no penguins in the ARCTIC pack.

 

[NZFanatic]

I don't even know why we should compare the two.

Because I care about one and not the other. Nobody was having an argument about it. The coati just doesn't matter to me.

 

[FoxyDee]

I am honestly fine with updates being on smaller scale, but I really wish we would at least get some missing basic pieces as more shapes of mesh walls and also a on grid ones. I really cannot wrap my head around why we do not have these pieces. I am sure they would not be that complicated to make. What if the reason we do not have those are as simple as that this feedback did not reach the devs? I feel like they stopped to read the forums except the announce thread ages ago. I wish there was a reliable way of suggesting this to the devs, but I dont really think they read the suggestions section anymore.

Which makes me really sad. Such a small thing but it would be ground-breaking in building meshed enclosures...we now have a decent number of small cats, monkeys and climbing animals that it is almost a nessecity.

 

[Thylaco]

I love how that's such a common missconception around the globe no matter the country or language (well i asume asian and african folks know there are no tigers in África, but for the rest). I wonder how it got so widespread.

Most of the common ABC animals come from Africa, I wouldn't be surprised if every zoo animal gets lumped into Africa. Films and other media also pretty commonly mix all the species on earth together, especially rainforest ones.

Australian zoos have the worst biodiversity on the planet. Our import laws are too strict, and there’s been a major shift towards regional conservation focus (valid, but a bit of a shame that even within that context species are limited).

South American species in Australian zoos are very much limited to a few species of tamarin, maned wolves, capybaras, capuchins and reptiles. Pretty much only the cotton top tamarins and marmosets are common. To me, SA animals are exciting because I have to travel interstate or internationally to see any of them! I haven’t even seen a macaw in a local zoo for about a decade.

It looks more like a money issue to me. Our zoos can apply to add any foreign species to the list and generally seem to succeed, but the cost of importing them, on top of application cost (which covers an ecological risk assessment), seems the real limiting factor.

Due to our low population size, tourism from other countries should be proportionally more significant than Europe and America, so local species would also get a bias towards them.

 

[Moonfox]

Most of the common ABC animals come from Africa, I wouldn't be surprised if every zoo animal gets lumped into Africa. Films and other media also pretty commonly mix all the species on earth together, especially rainforest ones.


It looks more like a money issue to me. Our zoos can apply to add any foreign species to the list and generally seem to succeed, but the cost of importing them, on top of application cost (which covers an ecological risk assessment), seems the real limiting factor.

Due to our low population size, tourism from other countries should be proportionally more significant than Europe and America, so local species would also get a bias towards them.

Good point. My total lack of regard for finance is why I always go broke in Franchise Mode haha.

 

[NZFanatic]

Good point. My total lack of regard for finance is why I always go broke in Franchise Mode haha.

As far as I'm aware, you guys in Aus have it better than we do in New Zealand. All our zoos have the same species with a few exceptions (such as great apes - Auckland has the orangutans, Wellington the chimps, and Orana the two bachelor male gorillas).

 

[Utahraptor Arcanus]

Australian zoos have the worst biodiversity on the planet. Our import laws are too strict, and there’s been a major shift towards regional conservation focus (valid, but a bit of a shame that even within that context species are limited).

South American species in Australian zoos are very much limited to a few species of tamarin, maned wolves, capybaras, capuchins and reptiles. Pretty much only the cotton top tamarins and marmosets are common. To me, SA animals are exciting because I have to travel interstate or internationally to see any of them! I haven’t even seen a macaw in a local zoo for about a decade.

I'm always surprised to see that the exotic situation on Brazil and Australia is so similar. Here our only australian animals are emus, cassowarys and red kangoroos, all the rest is either very rate or nonexistant.

 

[Bughs]

I got a feeling that as we got the promo art so early after previous DLC it means they just wanted to calm down the community that they comunicate with players again and show some info compared to other streams the PZpc was just swept away quickly and it created blacklash, so they show something they work on (and most likely the only stuff they have finished right now and it will be further polished) but also it doesn't mean it's ready before release just like with the timing of few previous DLCs.
Meaning they shown us what they work on, that they are working on something, but we will wait much longer than before with more info to be said next Frontier Unlocked, no earlier.
Considering also their own words during the stream being:
"Um, but we can't show any more than that really, can we?"
"No, absolutely not, no no no. Nothing else there.
But if you want to keep up to date with anything around this release you can just keep an eye on our socials at PlanetZoo game."

So that made my theory that this was just to make comunity happy, not that it's about to be released like it happened with previous DLC. Whilst also maybe why they chose to not post it on other platforms just yet and they will do it once they will know when it's ready to promise release.
Idunno

 

[CaprinemasterAT]

Considering also their own words during the stream being:
"Um, but we can't show any more than that really, can we?"
"No, absolutely not, no no no. Nothing else there.
But if you want to keep up to date with anything around this release you can just keep an eye on our socials at PlanetZoo game."

They were saying stuff like that every time before. Why should they say more? Should they say : "Yeah, animal x is coming and animal y"? Or what else should they show about this upcoming pack? I still think, there is a high possibility we will see the announcement on Tuesday, but again, everything is possible....

 

[Swjosdotschka]

I love how that's such a common missconception around the globe no matter the country or language (well i asume asian and african folks know there are no tigers in África, but for the rest). I wonder how it got so widespread.

Probably media still influenced by colonialism. When I grew up, and old series still aired here. It was called Daktari. It was an animal clinic and at first glance the series was wholesome. At second glance... not so much.
And it played in africa and they also had a tiger in the hospital. So as a small child, it was logical to me that there must be tigers in africa. Now, I was the small child that was interested in animals and so corrected her misconception later. Other people don't, because they are not as interested in animals. I am not up to date with current media, but I am sure you still find tons of those misconceptions spread if you're looking for them.

I mean, if I would asked my mum where the Jungle Book was taking place, I am pretty sure she would say Africa.

EDIT: I stand corrected. She actually said India. And yes, I tested her now, lol.

 

[Bughs]

...Huh? Don't we learn at school what iconic animals are from what country?
I know absolutely noone from my surroundings who would think there are tigers in Africa.
But yep, worse is them knowing that elephant and lion don't have species ONLY in Africa.

 

[RightWhale]

...Huh? Don't we learn at school what iconic animals are from what country?
I know absolutely noone from my surroundings who would think there are tigers in Africa.
But yep, worse is them knowing that elephant and lion don't have species ONLY in Africa.

We do (sort of) maybe it was my experience but in the US there isn’t a lot of focus on ecology/ animals in our sciences. We learn some of the stuff early on (salmon migration, butterflies and frogs changing, hibernation) but I remember in Middle School into High School we learn a lot more about the hard sciences. Like chemistry, physics, etc.

I vaguely remember learning a bit about animals here or there, but that’s kind of it. My high school had one Zoology class that I unfortunately couldn’t take. So for animals, most people probably stop learning about the basics in elementary school, and then whatever they pick up from social media going forward

Because I care about one and not the other. Nobody was having an argument about it. The coati just doesn't matter to me.

I got to be honest I respect that opinion much more than trying to argue circles about how it would be a “bad addition to the game”, like I’ll be honest myself. There are very few ungulates or members of Carnivora that I would care to see at this point. Simply because of what we have in game, I just don’t have as much interest in the remainder.

 

[The_Riot22]

Considering also their own words during the stream being:
"Um, but we can't show any more than that really, can we?"
"No, absolutely not, no no no. Nothing else there.
But if you want to keep up to date with anything around this release you can just keep an eye on our socials at PlanetZoo game."

As CaprineMasterAT said, this is what they've routinely said after a teaser.

So that made my theory that this was just to make comunity happy, not that it's about to be released like it happened with previous DLC. Whilst also maybe why they chose to not post it on other platforms just yet and they will do it once they will know when it's ready to promise release.
Idunno

I can't think of a worse way to "calm the community down" than to tease new DLC art, making the entire community assume a new DLC is coming within the month(as they have always done before), only to do a vague post a few weeks later saying something like "The new and exciting DLC is in the works. Be patient."

Frontier has always been poor at communicating, so that's a far more likely reason why they haven't teased it everywhere yet...they probably forgot to.

 

[biggest_dreamer]

...Huh? Don't we learn at school what iconic animals are from what country?
I know absolutely noone from my surroundings who would think there are tigers in Africa.
But yep, worse is them knowing that elephant and lion don't have species ONLY in Africa.

Certainly not in the US. Animal-related education is basically nonexistent here, and I assume the extent of the average person's animal knowledge boils down to whatever little they retain from any picture books or educational shows they may have been fortunate enough to consume as children. Thinking tigers are from Africa isn't remotely an uncommon thought. Another really big one is thinking ostriches are from Australia.

 

[DarthQuell]

In defense of the public, I will say that social media is also giving spotlights on animals. There are several channels/users that try to educate people on strange animals, so I think that we're only seeing 1 side of the coin.

Like, as an example: Ewan McGregor. There's a video of him talking about otters and he's giving several otter facts. So, I think it's safe to say that the public isn't ignorant, just that there are those who know amd those who don't

 

[Bughs]

As CaprineMasterAT said, this is what they've routinely said after a teaser.

I can't think of a worse way to "calm the community down" than to tease new DLC art, making the entire community assume a new DLC is coming within the month(as they have always done before), only to do a vague post a few weeks later saying something like "The new and exciting DLC is in the works. Be patient."

Frontier has always been poor at communicating, so that's a far more likely reason why they haven't teased it everywhere yet...they probably forgot to.

Oh, ok, sorry for wrong assumption. I was kinda hoping they are slowly going for route of how they tease other games roadmap in the FrontierUnlocked, like PlanCo2 a EliteD having roadmap for few months ahead. ...For PlanetZoo it might be too late for that but I had a hope they would tease stuff earlier ^^"

 

[Doran]

I can't think of a worse way to "calm the community down" than to tease new DLC art, making the entire community assume a new DLC is coming within the month(as they have always done before), only to do a vague post a few weeks later saying something like "The new and exciting DLC is in the works. Be patient

I know worse way. Put some elephants on it.