DLC20 Discussion (maybe, but why not?)

AmazonHippo28

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Rainforest animal pack:

Goeffroy’s Spider Monkey
Southern Coati
Red-Rumped Agouti
Lowland Anoa
Golden-Lion Tamarin
Goodfellow’s TreeKangaroo
Exhibit: Panther’s Chameleon

Temperate Animal Pack:

Patagonian Mara
Western Capercaille
ABB
Reeve’s Muntjac
Musk Ox
Elk
Yellow-Throated Marten

Waterside Animal Pack

Shoebill
African Grey Crowned Crane
Scarlet Ibis
Walrus
Nile Crocodile
Mandarin Duck
Exhibit: African Mud Turtle


Dry Forest Animal Pack

Francois Langur
Aye-Aye
Short-Beaked Echidna
Honeybadger
Blackbuck
Indian Gaur
Gerenuk
 

CharlieXGaming

CharlieXGaming
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RightWhale

RightWhale
I haven’t played in over a month now, and I haven’t even bought the new DLC. While I am happy about the new animals. It does feel like getting back into PZ is some huge hurdle. I know it isn’t gonna happen, but I genuinely think the lack of “new” content isn’t helping me out. The new animals are nice, but it isn’t anything I haven’t seen before.

I’ll probably buy the new DLC soon, and maybe try to build some indoor rainforest again. I don’t know, every time I look at my laptop screen I just stare at PZ and don’t play.

I genuinely think the next DLC won’t be anything out of the blue either, while it may give us some gaps we really need covered it also won’t be anything we couldn’t already expect.
 

Aramar

Aramar
I've been thinking which animals could fill up the gaps that we have in the distribution map thread. I'm marking the ones I would like to be in the next dlc depending if it's a coastal pack, an Africans safari pack or a forest pack:

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  1. Hawaiian goose (coastal pack #1)
  2. Sea otter (coastal pack #2)
  3. American black bear (anniversary or forest pack #1)
  4. Muskox
  5. Canada goose (coastal pack #1, alternative to the Hawaiian goose)
  6. Spider monkey
  7. Squirrel monkey (forest pack #2)
  8. Southern tamandua
  9. South American coati (forest pack #3)
  10. Azara's agouti
  11. Vicuna
  12. Mara
  13. Guanaco
  14. Roe deer
  15. European mink (coastal pack #3)
  16. European rabbit (forest pack #4)
  17. Alpine marmot
  18. White stork
  19. Barbary macaque (safari pack #1)
  20. Great white pelican (coastal pack #4 or safari pack #2)
  21. Nile crocodile (coastal pack #5 or safari pack #3)
  22. Serval (safari pack #4)
  23. Secretary bird (safari pack #5)
  24. Gerenuk (safari pack #6)
  25. Common eland (safari pack #7)
  26. Southern rockhopper (coastal pack #6)
  27. Walrus (coastal pack #7)
  28. Honey badger
  29. Blackbuck
  30. Yak
  31. Golden snub nosed monkey
  32. Reeve's muntjac (forest pack #5)
  33. Goodfellow's tree kangaroo (forest pack #6)
  34. Perentie
  35. Echidna (forest pack #7)
  36. Eastern grey kangaroo
 

NachoB

NachoB
Aramar said:
I've been thinking which animals could fill up the gaps that we have in the distribution map thread. I'm marking the ones I would like to be in the next dlc depending if it's a coastal pack, an Africans safari pack or a forest pack:

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  1. Hawaiian goose (coastal pack #1)
  2. Sea otter (coastal pack #2)
  3. American black bear (anniversary or forest pack #1)
  4. Muskox
  5. Canada goose (coastal pack #1, alternative to the Hawaiian goose)
  6. Spider monkey
  7. Squirrel monkey (forest pack #2)
  8. Southern tamandua
  9. South American coati (forest pack #3)
  10. Azara's agouti
  11. Vicuna
  12. Mara
  13. Guanaco
  14. Roe deer
  15. European mink (coastal pack #3)
  16. European rabbit (forest pack #4)
  17. Alpine marmot
  18. White stork
  19. Barbary macaque (safari pack #1)
  20. Great white pelican (coastal pack #4 or safari pack #2)
  21. Nile crocodile (coastal pack #5 or safari pack #3)
  22. Serval (safari pack #4)
  23. Secretary bird (safari pack #5)
  24. Gerenuk (safari pack #6)
  25. Common eland (safari pack #7)
  26. Southern rockhopper (coastal pack #6)
  27. Walrus (coastal pack #7)
  28. Honey badger
  29. Blackbuck
  30. Yak
  31. Golden snub nosed monkey
  32. Reeve's muntjac (forest pack #5)
  33. Goodfellow's tree kangaroo (forest pack #6)
  34. Perentie
  35. Echidna (forest pack #7)
  36. Eastern grey kangaroo
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Nice list. Missing ducks and i would replace the GSNM for the golden pheasant. Would also add the golden lion tamarin somewhere and find a place for the scarlet ibis and the grey crowned crane so to get two of the most popular and common birds in zoos from those regions. I would probably fill patagonia even more with the either the elephant seal, south american sea lion or another penguin as well.
 

yoav_r

yoav_r
Aramar said:
I've been thinking which animals could fill up the gaps that we have in the distribution map thread. I'm marking the ones I would like to be in the next dlc depending if it's a coastal pack, an Africans safari pack or a forest pack:

View attachment 429349
  1. Hawaiian goose (coastal pack #1)
  2. Sea otter (coastal pack #2)
  3. American black bear (anniversary or forest pack #1)
  4. Muskox
  5. Canada goose (coastal pack #1, alternative to the Hawaiian goose)
  6. Spider monkey
  7. Squirrel monkey (forest pack #2)
  8. Southern tamandua
  9. South American coati (forest pack #3)
  10. Azara's agouti
  11. Vicuna
  12. Mara
  13. Guanaco
  14. Roe deer
  15. European mink (coastal pack #3)
  16. European rabbit (forest pack #4)
  17. Alpine marmot
  18. White stork
  19. Barbary macaque (safari pack #1)
  20. Great white pelican (coastal pack #4 or safari pack #2)
  21. Nile crocodile (coastal pack #5 or safari pack #3)
  22. Serval (safari pack #4)
  23. Secretary bird (safari pack #5)
  24. Gerenuk (safari pack #6)
  25. Common eland (safari pack #7)
  26. Southern rockhopper (coastal pack #6)
  27. Walrus (coastal pack #7)
  28. Honey badger
  29. Blackbuck
  30. Yak
  31. Golden snub nosed monkey
  32. Reeve's muntjac (forest pack #5)
  33. Goodfellow's tree kangaroo (forest pack #6)
  34. Perentie
  35. Echidna (forest pack #7)
  36. Eastern grey kangaroo
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Great list.
I have no idea what's going on at spot 25, but there's like 0 animals with distribution there. The Eland doesn't cover it, neither does any other animal in the game.
 

Aramar

Aramar
yoav_r said:
Great list.
I have no idea what's going on at spot 25, but there's like 0 animals with distribution there. The Eland doesn't cover it, neither does any other animal in the game.
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I can't move the existing icons in the map. The gap there seems to be Angola approximately, so either the common eland or greater kudu could fit there.
 

Marvinb

Marvinb
Narwhaler said:
Yes it is better but Ive said that I do not expect future packs to have new rigs, and a rabbit would definitely be a new rig.

Also am I the only one who kinda wants support to be over? We had a good run and it's time Frontier starts focusing on the sequel fully.
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Nah im also in that boat. Frontier and i seem to be on very different pages when it comes to what animals should be added, so every animal roster of the last 2 ish years was rather underwhelming for me.
So waiting 6 months for a nonexisted free update, lackluster (for me) roster of animals and a bunch of funky scenery of which only like 5 pieces are actually usefull just isnt a great experience.
 
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NachoB

NachoB
Marvinb said:
Nah im also in that boat. Frontier and i seem to be on very different pages when it what animals should be added, so every animal roster of the last 2 ish years was rather underwhelming for me.
So waiting 6 months for a nonexisted free update, lackluster (for me) roster of animals and a bunch of funky scenery of which only like 5 pieces are actually usefull just isnt a great experience.
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Honestly same. But I'm also frustrated because they choose to focus the few resources they have into giving the new animations and behaviours to the oddball picks (sifaka, bush dog) instead of doing it with the top picks like the coati that is arguably less work than any of those two. So is not like they aren't capable to make a coati, howler, etc. they are actively choosing not to.
 

RightWhale

RightWhale
Narwhaler said:
Yes it is better but Ive said that I do not expect future packs to have new rigs, and a rabbit would definitely be a new rig.

Also am I the only one who kinda wants support to be over? We had a good run and it's time Frontier starts focusing on the sequel fully.
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I’m happy with what we got. But dang it, it can be really hard to make some zoo sections with what we have sometimes. I wish we didn’t see the exhibit system get abandoned for two years, I really feel like birds and fish would have helped me a lot. Due to Zoo Tycoon 3 my expectations for flying birds were low, but I still expected them at some point. Since Oceania came out I don’t see it happening at all, which is crazy we got flying insects and bats before birds. (Which you think wouldn’t be that far off).

Either way the more important thing is WHY DONT I HAVE ANY DUCKS. WE STILL HAVE ONLY ONE WATERFOWL SPECIES AND ITS BEEN TWO YEARS SINCE THE MUTE SWAN.

I really hope the next DLC is a bit more surprising considering we are “caught up” with DLC to port over. But I really don’t see it, I predict we might get more DLCs so Frontier can make more money while they work on PC2 and JWE3.
 

Alvarodayne

Alvarodayne
Aramar said:
I've been thinking which animals could fill up the gaps that we have in the distribution map thread. I'm marking the ones I would like to be in the next dlc depending if it's a coastal pack, an Africans safari pack or a forest pack:

View attachment 429349
  1. Hawaiian goose (coastal pack #1)
  2. Sea otter (coastal pack #2)
  3. American black bear (anniversary or forest pack #1)
  4. Muskox
  5. Canada goose (coastal pack #1, alternative to the Hawaiian goose)
  6. Spider monkey
  7. Squirrel monkey (forest pack #2)
  8. Southern tamandua
  9. South American coati (forest pack #3)
  10. Azara's agouti
  11. Vicuna
  12. Mara
  13. Guanaco
  14. Roe deer
  15. European mink (coastal pack #3)
  16. European rabbit (forest pack #4)
  17. Alpine marmot
  18. White stork
  19. Barbary macaque (safari pack #1)
  20. Great white pelican (coastal pack #4 or safari pack #2)
  21. Nile crocodile (coastal pack #5 or safari pack #3)
  22. Serval (safari pack #4)
  23. Secretary bird (safari pack #5)
  24. Gerenuk (safari pack #6)
  25. Common eland (safari pack #7)
  26. Southern rockhopper (coastal pack #6)
  27. Walrus (coastal pack #7)
  28. Honey badger
  29. Blackbuck
  30. Yak
  31. Golden snub nosed monkey
  32. Reeve's muntjac (forest pack #5)
  33. Goodfellow's tree kangaroo (forest pack #6)
  34. Perentie
  35. Echidna (forest pack #7)
  36. Eastern grey kangaroo
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No more american camelids in a while please... I think the gaps in that part of the world could be filled with the southern pudu or the long-tailed chinchilla
 

NachoB

NachoB
Alvarodayne said:
No more american camelids in a while please... I think the gaps in that part of the world could be filled with the southern pudu or the long-tailed chinchilla
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Southern Pudu for sure 🙌🏻

But yeah... Guanaco is important though... But i agree should not be priority.
 

AndyZoos

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TBH, I would be fine with support ending. But I'm also stoked about getting more content! Mostly because more content, more better...

But I also really don't think them continuing to release DLC would have any impact on the sequel in a way that we would be aware of. Especially if it's DLC sans free update content. They keep saying they're "still on track" for whatever the FY27 TBA game is slated to be... And that it's already in development.

If that game is Planet Zoo 2? Then yeah, maybe it gets pushed back 6 months (but could still land in FY27). Though I might assume that would depend on the project workflow. Folks working on the engine for a sequel probably wouldn't be the same folks working on DLC. Similarly, I would imagine folks can be working on multiple things at once (e.g., Person A could be working on new scenery for PZ1 and updating existing pieces for PZ2 which presumably is an "easier" task; meanwhile, Person B is just focused on new scenery).

If the FY27 game isn't Planet Zoo 2? Then the sequel is so far out that dropping more DLC this year very likely won't impact it in a knowable way.

Bottom line? We won't ever know, so I'm not worried about it. The reason they're dropping another DLC is probably because they haven't been able to dip into PC2 DLC sales yet. And with JWE still being unreleased... It kinda feels like its additional PZ DLC or they might not make it long enough for a sequel to even see a release. (Being a bit hyperbolic there.)

The fiscal year ends on May 31st so we might get a bit more info as to what the year holds for PC2 and JWE and maybe an update on where the FY27 game is at.
 

Narwhaler

Narwhaler
AndyZoos said:
Bottom line? We won't ever know, so I'm not worried about it. The reason they're dropping another DLC is probably because they haven't been able to dip into PC2 DLC sales yet. And with JWE still being unreleased... It kinda feels like its additional PZ DLC or they might not make it long enough for a sequel to even see a release. (Being a bit hyperbolic there.)

The fiscal year ends on May 31st so we might get a bit more info as to what the year holds for PC2 and JWE and maybe an update on where the FY27 game is at.
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I definitely think the same, I do believe they didn't originally plan to do the Americas pack, but decided to do so because of Planco2 having a lower performance than expected.

This is a theory of mine but I do believe that this year's DLCs is also a strategy to guarantee that Planet Zoo 2 sells while keeping a bit of a cash inflow from Planet Zoo with minimal resource investment. I also believe that the sequel having all the current animals including DLC makes more sense because
1. they are assets that already exist and have already been paid off, they don't have to invest resources other than whatever workload is required to "transfer" them to the sequel.
2. having all the previous game content in the sequel by itself is already a huge incentive to buy it so I don't think they would miss the opportunity to turn the sequel into a must buy for the average player
3. JWE2 had all dinos at launch (cept for the controversial hybrids), and for Planco2 they are adding the Planco base content as free updates, so I think there is more indication that previous game content is given for free rather than resold. I think the chances are we either get all DLC animals at launch or they slowly dripfeed them via updates (I wouldn't be mad at this, in fact I think it's actually a smart move if you think about it, periodically getting free animals and building sets would definitely keep the playerbase active for god knows how long, of course that guaranteeing that at launch we have enough useful building sets and a good roster that keeps the playerbase engaged for the first few months).

Overall I think that the sequel having all the DLC content without having to pay for it again + having aquatic and flying animals is a winning strategy for it to succeed, and I really hope they are aware of that. What do you guys think?
 
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