Do NOT get a "free" Steam key if you want to support Frontier

[Flappers]

Ah... I didn't know this.

I linked the steam account, just to get access to the guides/ reviews section. I'm still using the launcher... had no idea that somehow it ties me into Steam, just by linking the account.

Sorry Frontier. Wish this was made a bit clearer before

I'll contribute with guides and reviews on Steam to make up for this, hopefully to encourage new players to buy the game to make up for that 30% margin that will come from my end.

 

[Phoenix366]

This might be me being lazy but im not overly bothered by it. I have elite installed, its manually in my steam library so i can launch it from steam. I see no reason to change anything in my current setup.

 

[khaitom]

Try reading it again, as you failed to understand what was written.

Because of the community (the attitude of folks in this thread) he will not recommend the game.
Nothing to do with Steam. He was going to write a review, until he seen this thread.

The game, he can recommend.
The community, he cannot.

It is you who misunderstand.

Daan2009 said "im not going to recommend this game on steam just because of this thread".
and
"if steam was taking 75% of a cut then i could [understand] this thread but [not at] 30%".

The logical inference being that if Steam were taking a cut then Daan2009 would still be recommending the game. I find his reasoning odd.

 

[Freyar]

It is you who misunderstand.

Daan2009 said "im not going to recommend this game on steam just because of this thread".
and
"if steam was taking 75% of a cut then i could [understand] this thread but [not at] 30%".

The logical inference being that if Steam were taking a cut then Daan2009 would still be recommending the game. I find his reasoning odd.

He'd be agreeing with the naysayers if Steam's cut was 75%. However, since it isn't, he's having trouble recommending the game due to the community.

I'm starting to get the same feeling. The community here seems to be getting less and less interested in playing the game than it is about protecting "precious development dollars". Doesn't help that nobody is remembering that they said they weren't going to be on Steam only to turn around and do it anyway with them expecting people to pay another $60 for the privilege.

Those of you commenting on the rating increase on Steam, remember that it's been out on Steam for a good long while. A lot of people that wanted to praise the game won't go back to review it now that it's been so late. Frontier missed their opportunity to bolster their positive rating on Steam.

 

[daan2002]

Try reading it again, as you failed to understand what was written.

Because of the community (the attitude of folks in this thread) he will not recommend the game.
Nothing to do with Steam. He was going to write a review, until he seen this thread.

The game, he can recommend.
The community, he cannot.

He'd be agreeing with the naysayers if Steam's cut was 75%. However, since it isn't, he's having trouble recommending the game due to the community.

I'm starting to get the same feeling. The community here seems to be getting less and less interested in playing the game than it is about protecting "precious development dollars". Doesn't help that nobody is remembering that they said they weren't going to be on Steam only to turn around and do it anyway with them expecting people to pay another $60 for the privilege.

Those of you commenting on the rating increase on Steam, remember that it's been out on Steam for a good long while. A lot of people that wanted to praise the game won't go back to review it now that it's been so late. Frontier missed their opportunity to bolster their positive rating on Steam.

in a nutshell + rep to both of you

 

[Jockey79]

It is you who misunderstand.

Daan2009 said "im not going to recommend this game on steam just because of this thread".
and
"if steam was taking 75% of a cut then i could [understand] this thread but [not at] 30%".

The logical inference being that if Steam were taking a cut then Daan2009 would still be recommending the game. I find his reasoning odd.

Apart from your crossed wires, the fact Dan updated and publicly confirmed....
I hate to say I told you so......... no, that's a lie, I rather enjoy it (j/k)

Thanks for clearing that up Dan. I also agree, as much fun as the game is, the community does take the shine off it.

 

[DCMSTech]

It is you who misunderstand.

Daan2002 said "im not going to recommend this game on steam just because of this thread".
and
"if steam was taking 75% of a cut then i could [understand] this thread but [not at] 30%".


The logical inference being that if Steam were taking a cut then Daan2002 would still be recommending the game. I find his reasoning odd.

The reasoning is this, due to the toxic and whiny nature of this thread of Valve getting a cut for it's "services" (the whiny nature of gaming communities and its self-entitlement [I'm no better]) he cannot in good faith recommend on Steam that anyone join this community due to the toxic and spiteful nature against Valve/Steam.

The 75% cut statement comes from the cut Valve/Steam was going to collect from paid mods disaster. If Valve/Steam was collecting this kind of cut then Daan2002 would understand this thread and perhaps support it more.

And khaitom how did you get 2009 from 2002?

 

[ruffsfunnel]

I have all games i play on steam except for some Blizz games (not wow). So yeah i took steam key because i like having games in one launcher.

 

[Jim Steinman]

...as much fun as the game is, the community does take the shine off it.

Unfortunately you get this with any popular online game. As an example the STO forums are toxic and I've heard bad things about Eve although never been there.

The good here though, would certainly outweigh the few rotten apples.

 

[Ayreon]

If I knew this before I wouldn't got myself a Steamkey

 

[Jockey79]

Unfortunately you get this with any popular online game. As an example the STO forums are toxic and I've heard bad things about Eve although never been there.

The good here though, would certainly outweigh the few rotten apples.

The STO forums used to be ok, at the start. Apart from a few Atari haters.
Now, when PWE came on the scene, that is when it turned in to what it is now - I avoid it like the plague.
Heck, even the Devs avoid it apart from Taco.

But yes, there is no joy to be found there, nothing to get excited over.

 

[Swearengen]

me and my friend both did steam keys and would gladly do it again even know this this whole thread doing nothing but trying to make ppl feel bad for using one if steam was taking 75% of a cut then i could get this thread but 30% off a 17$ paint job give me a brake..........

I'm with you, Daan. Steam will be a boon to this game.

 

[Magic Man]

If you buy from and pay FD, how does a percentage go to Steam/Valve just because you've linked a key? There's no mention of that on the page.

 

[Jim Steinman]

The STO forums used to be ok, at the start. Apart from a few Atari haters.
Now, when PWE came on the scene, that is when it turned in to what it is now - I avoid it like the plague.
Heck, even the Devs avoid it apart from Taco.

But yes, there is no joy to be found there, nothing to get excited over.

The STO forums were ok at one point yeah, especially in closed beta. But there's so little regulation there over user posts. Even the mods there attack people l/r/c. Tacofangs is pretty much the only dev that ventured into the regular sections.

 

[Vasea Azure]

So steam keys are bad now?
You guys remember the never ending flood of upset backers asking and demanding free steam keys? So FD was kind enough to actually give us the keys, and now is bad? I`m too stupid for that I guess.
I mean - yes the steam does have a cut, but that was pretty obvious from the beginning.
Anyway, I gladly used my key and put a long, overall positive review of Elite on Steam.

 

[TriumphANT]

At least threads like this open up that there's a choice. I like the basic idea of using Steam, but I'm old-school enough that I still have games scattered around that I have to find shortcuts/folders for to run them. The generation of gamers who forget what life was like before digital downloads will probably go Steam without a second thought.

Oh, if you buy stuff in most large UK supermarkets using cash, the company that processes the till payments takes exactly the same 2.5% cut that they do if you use a credit card. True story, and one I can't find an explanation for other than "it's easier that way". *shrugs and shakes head a bit*

 

[Hell Razor5543]

While I might have asked for a Steam key (I didn't), I wasn't sufficiently bothered by the game launcher to ask. I was (when the option to became available) then going to create a Steam key until I read this thread (and the one about generating the key in the first place), and I have decided not to do so. I do not have an issue with distributers taking a fair cut to 'ship' a product through their systems, but I do strongly object to the same distributers asking for a cut for products 'shipped' through other channels. I recall a time long ago where a PC manufacturer had to pay a software supplier a licencing fee even if the PCs they supplied didn't have any form of software installed, and thinking that this was obscene.

 

[Harbinger]

Just in case you missed it Edward Lewis clarified further with regards to merchandise today:

I don't like how this any' could be interpreted. A little more clarification would be great.

Does this include purchases of Paint Jobs as well as physical merch stuff?
I would like to activate ED through Steam. But not, if you have to pay money to Valve for me buying a paint job or a mug directly from your official store.

Or is this restricted only to game addons? That would be fine for me then, as I have the lifetime expansion pass and would never require to buy expansions for the game.

Sorry, should've been clear on this one too! This doesn't apply to physical merchandise. Valve don't touch on that, only in-game content.

 

[SentineI]

Added this to my first post:

edit:Breaking news! #2 Ed clarifies that Valve only takes a cut of DLC:

Sorry, should've been clear on this one too! This doesn't apply to physical merchandise. Valve don't touch on that, only in-game content.

That makes a lot more sense to me! (Someone, who shall remain namless, had previously told me they'd been told by Ed that Valve took a cut of physical products too...)

 

[DextersIndignation]

Will steam offer special discounts on DLC and skins?

As I understand it...

Steam has a great interface, it is simple, easy to use and mordern.

FD's site looks like my mates gran made it in 2003. It is clunky, the sales switch off at weird times, it looks terrible and the other issues need addressing 5-6 months ago.


So...
If I read the op's post correctly.
If given the choice on how to buy more stuff for this game, I should pay for worse service?

I am still waiting on support tickets from December?