Do players still get the entire pack of paint jobs with a purchase? If not then paint jobs just went up about 6 fold.

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

If they had one version for suckers and one for people that aren't suckers, I wouldn't care but they don't. The foolishness of people with your mentality affects all gamers.

Why do you need 2 versions if you’re not a sucker?

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

I'm not on about buying them ON the PS4... I mean, log into yout Frontier account, and buy them... from the store... (when it existed).

Never tried. Too long.

 

[pookeyhead]

Never tried. Too long.

Well that sums up console users perfectly.


All this nonsense because console users can't be bothered logging into the frontier website to buy stuff.


(sigh).

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

Well that sums up console users perfectly.


All this nonsense because console users can't be bothered logging into the frontier website to buy stuff.


(sigh).

Presumably when you go shopping you go to the grocer for your veg, butcher for you meat, nip over to the ironmongers for cleaning products, down to the farm to pick up your dairy, not just go to the supermarket to do it all in one hit.

 

[Alien]

With the old system of the Frontier store, in order to get a ship paint job you bought a pack which was about 6 different skins. Now generally that pack would cost about 300 Frontier points or $5.

With this new system one single paint job can cost anywhere from 3250 ARX to 6250 ARX.

5000 ARX is about 5 bucks still. So for the same money you're getting 1/6 of what you would get with the same purchase via Frontier points. In essence everything has become drastically more expensive.

Overall this is a net loss,which I knew it would be because publishers don't do anything for the betterment of the player. Extremely low cap, extremely grindy which creates the illusion of in-game unlocks, while in actuality heavily increasing the price of a skin while drastically decreasing value per dollar or equivalent currency.

In no world is about $4 for one skin equate to a better value than $5 for 6 skins.

This is the same reason that many mobile games have these artificial essentially useless currencies. The average player is going to tolerate earning about 1000 ARX manually, while being incentivised to spend to get the rest that they would need.

I knew it was a suspicious from the beginning when they were not back crediting the numerous years many of us put in the game. How many players are going to realistically save for one single 3250-6250 ARX skin.. with a 400 ARX cap per week?

Overall the system is a huge net loss for gamers. I don't know because I have not bought anything since the update and I don't plan to..

However if the player does not still receive the entire pack then this is most certainly a huge value per dollar/pound downgrade for the gamer. Makes me glad that I got the skins I wanted before it was and even larger rip off than before.

It honestly makes me wish I could opt out of even earning ARX because the drop rate is useless and only is there to facilitate psychological manipulation.

I wish I'd caught this thread when you first posted it. I hate to say it, but I think you're wasting your time on this one. many of us tried to tell people on this forum that Frontier adopting a virtual currency was a bad idea and offensive, but there are those on here who will defend Frontier no matter what.

I tried to explain it all, admittedly I didn't do it very well. Others have tried explaining it. We just got shouted down. You'll just get shouted down. People need to learn for themselves.

I applaud your efforts though.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

It’s all manipulation. Most TV adverts are selling you a lifestyle, not a product. Look at the fashion industry, they use beautiful models (male and female) to make you believe you’ll look like them if you buy those clothes. Why are prices always something 99? It’s manipulation. Every sales technique is there to manipulate you into buying something. That is the point of it.

Arx aren't selling you lifestyle, they're selling ship cosmetics.

Yeah the 99 cent thing sure is one of those, but at a glance you can work out what the true cost is. Look at arx, it seems to be over the top in preventing you from knowing what the true price your paying is. Really 4 or 6 different prices for the same product without qualitative differentiation is at another level of manipulation. Just in case, this not about the detail, this is about the on the fly practice that customers will go through when paying for a product. You might forget to round up, but its just rounding up. Good luck with arx.

 

[pookeyhead]

Presumably when you go shopping you go to the grocer for your veg, butcher for you meat, nip over to the ironmongers for cleaning products, gown to the farm to pick up your dairy, not just go to the supermarket to do it all in one hit.

Most of us don't WANT to be able to buy stuff in-game, hence the massively overwhelming majority of people hating the stupid "store" button in the game's UI.

Your analogy is flawed. A sensible analogy would be no longer being paid for your real life job in money at all, but now being offered tokens by your employer that can only be redeemed where they say they can be redeemed. However, if you can be bothered, you can BUY more employer tokens should you wish... for more money than they are actually worth. Furthermore, you should be pleased by this, because you no longer have to leave the game in order to do so... because it was SUCH a hassle going to a website. I mean... you're in your chair for 24 hours a day playing Elite with a catheter in...who has the TIME to go to a website... right?


Now THAT'S what's really going on here.


lazy twunts

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I wish I'd caught this thread when you first posted it. I hate to say it, but I think you're wasting your time on this one. many of us tried to tell people on this forum that Frontier adopting a virtual currency was a bad idea and offensive, but there are those on here who will defend Frontier no matter what.

I tried to explain it all, admittedly I didn't do it very well. Others have tried explaining it. We just got shouted down. You'll just get shouted down. People need to learn for themselves.

I applaud your efforts though.

Nobody's been shouting, just pointing out the ludicrousness of it all.

 

[babelfisch]

It's not about agreeing with my opinion..posts like mine always attract the zealots riding on their horses they rode in on to defend their own manipulation. The scum always floats to the top, just like a pond.

Nah, it's posts like this which attracts them.

Look, by essentially insulting everyone who might have a slightly different view than yours, you managed to derail your own thread before anyone even had the chance.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

Could you not do it via the old Frontier web site store? I remember buying a paint job ages ago... back in 2014 or so... and I just bought it direct from the website.

No dont let this people double inverse fool you. Frontier points worked in hundreds, and the prices of everything in the store was 100 / 50 / 25. I think it its safe to say the most common scenario would be people could work out the dollar price of a cosmetic in one or two of the easiest calculations.

Arx is just something else....

Though you did end up with change with frontier points sure.

 

[Speedcuffs]

Nah, it's posts like this which attracts them.

Yah, inb4.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

I miss the website.

The only metric I am using is my own earnings of ARX. Since my bank refuses to honor the new ARX store, my only means of purchasing items is through earned ARX. So, packs of purchased ARX are not an option for me. Steam might eventually allow purchases, but that dilutes Frontier's revenues.

I therefore do not base my playstyle on ARX. I earn only what I would during normal play. This makes for reduced revenues from persons like myself. Not good for Frontier. I can't go impulse shopping for ship kits, etc. The method of bribing me with "free" ARX simply won't work for players like myself.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

Arx aren't selling you lifestyle, they're selling ship cosmetics.

Yeah the 99 cent thing sure is one of those, but at a glance you can work out what the true cost is. Look at arx, it seems to be over the top in preventing you from knowing what the true price your paying is. Really 4 or 6 different prices for the same product without qualitative differentiation is at another level of manipulation. Just in case, this not about the detail, this is about the on the fly practice that customers will go through when paying for a product. You might forget to round up, but its just rounding up. Good luck with arx.

I wasn’t saying ARX is a lifestyle, I was saying all sales techniques are manipulation, that was an example.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

Most of us don't WANT to be able to buy stuff in-game, hence the massively overwhelming majority of people hating the stupid "store" button in the game's UI.

Your analogy is flawed. A sensible analogy would be no longer being paid for your real life job in money at all, but now being offered tokens by your employer that can only be redeemed where they say they can be redeemed. However, if you can be bothered, you can BUY more employer tokens should you wish... for more money than they are actually worth. Furthermore, you should be pleased by this, because you no longer have to leave the game in order to do so... because it was SUCH a hassle going to a website. I mean... you're in your chair for 24 hours a day playing Elite with a catheter in...who has the TIME to go to a website... right?


Now THAT'S what's really going on here.


lazy twunts

Money itself is a token.

Who says I own a pc to go to the Frontier store?

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

I miss the website.

The only metric I am using is my own earnings of ARX. Since my bank refuses to honor the new ARX store, my only means of purchasing items is through earned ARX. So, packs of purchased ARX are not an option for me. Steam might eventually allow purchases, but that dilutes Frontier's revenues.

I therefore do not base my playstyle on ARX. I earn only what I would during normal play. This makes for reduced revenues from persons like myself. Not good for Frontier. I can't go impulse shopping for ship kits, etc. The method of bribing me with "free" ARX simply won't work for players like myself.

Yeah. Friday night i was wondering what was new and was about to pen a forum post because i wasn't going to setup the hotas just for that. Gave up instead.

(I don't want to be a snowflake, only a statistic.)

 

[Alien]

Nobody's been shouting, just pointing out the ludicrousness of it all.

I refer you back to the thread where I got way too heated over this thanks to you and others shouting me down.
You either have a bad memory or you're a liar. Which is it?

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

Frontier points worked in hundreds, and the prices of everything in the store was 100 / 50 / 25. I think it its safe to say the most common scenario would be people could work out the dollar price of a cosmetic in one or two of the easiest calculations.

 

[gooddoc]

I've just passed 500 ARX in three weeks. A single paint job, for a single ship isn't that attractive to me. A global thing, like the Earth bobble head, is 6450 ARX. You do the math.

I would hope for the 6450 arx 'paid' for that Earth bobblehead, the damn thing would ACTUALLY rotate in the CORRECT direction!!!!

My Planet set pack that I bought a couple of years ago, the Earth still rotates the wrong way!

 

[[VR] M4st0d0n]

I wasn’t saying ARX is a lifestyle, I was saying all sales techniques are manipulation, that was an example.

So it is manipulation... Or is it not... You seem so confused.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

So it is manipulation... Or is it not... You seem so confused.

It’s the same manipulation that you’ll find in any retail situation. Nothing new. You overcome loads of it every day, you’ll overcome this.