Mat brokers are nobody's friend, they are cold hearted reptiles praying on the needy
Does anyone actually enjoy engineering?
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Mat brokers are nobody's friend, they are cold hearted reptiles praying on the needy
Never used a mat broker, don't need 'em. Plenty of mats out there for the taking, why get ripped off?
Engineer's is not a race. As I have said, you want to go from G1-5 in one go, you're gonna have to grind for it. I refuse to grind myself. Your choice at the end.of the day.
I never said it was a race, so I don't see what that had to do with my observation. Something can take an onerous amount of time while not being a competition. And it's so far from one go that saying "you want to go from G1-5 in one go" is nothing short of ludicrous hyperbole which I can only guess is meant to minimize months of working directly within the system to a single line you can easily dismiss. But that doesn't make it my or anyone else' actual goal or expectation. So set that trite line aside for a sec and look at what people are actually saying.
Because single source mats + RNG can be an annoying experience. Plus exploitable crash sites and mat traders can potentially reduce some gathering timeframes to a fraction of what they would otherwise be.
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You talked about going from G1-5 in one go.
Yup, never said it didn't. What's that got to do with grinding?
What has hyperbole got to do with anything. Nothing in the above sentence makes any actual sense. I'm just voicing my opinion. Something you seem to take exception with for some reason.
Play how you want to, if you want to grind, grind, but you shouldn't moan about it afterwards as it's something you have chosen to do. I don't really care, just pointing out that you don't need to grind to engineer and that's a fact.
Unlocking the Engineers was fun gameplay for me.
The fact that after unlocking it's so easy to max everything out makes the engineers somewhat unglamorous. I just wouldn't take out a ship without DD5 drives, Monstered Powerplant, G5 Boosters, corrosive MC's and Mass Manger FSD anymore.
However if someone does not want to fly to all those engineers for the specials, I would still advocate pre-engineered ships for sale at some shipyards for a price.. or for rent.
The fact that after unlocking it's so easy to max everything out makes the engineers somewhat unglamorous. I just wouldn't take out a ship without DD5 drives, Monstered Powerplant, G5 Boosters, corrosive MC's and Mass Manger FSD anymore.
However if someone does not want to fly to all those engineers for the specials, I would still advocate pre-engineered ships for sale at some shipyards for a price.. or for rent.
Yes, in reference to your posting the same statement and how it has nothing to do with realistic expectations given how the system works. It's not hard, there were words surrounding that statement that formed a cohesive thought which wasn't anything like "Engineering should be G1-G5 in one go."
If you can't figure out the relationship between onerous upgrade timeframes with "intended" play and grinding then maybe this isn't the best conversation for you to have since acknowledging agency and balance as vaid conversation topics seems beyond your desire.
You're voicing your opinion on a hyperbolic strawman. So yes, hyperbole has everything to do with it. That's the nature of you being hyperbolic.
If the system emphasizes grinding, and it does, you should expect people to call that out rather than blindly cover for a bad system. Pointing out that a system could go unused is not actually a defense for it being the way it is. It's not even pointing to any sort of positive or redeeming quality. Not needing to grind is a fact, but it's a fact that doesn't actually counter any of the reasons people to grind or the underlying design reasons that lead to that. It's a wholly useless observation because one doesn't need to do anything, ever. So everything ever is fine and immune to criticism, right?
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Nor have I. I checked the prices and lost interest. However I know lots of people who utilised them a lot during the skimmer massacre mission days. Good days, better than void opal mining that the youth today are into
WTH are you talking about. Realistic expectations? I know how the system works perfectly. You don't need G5s hell you probably don't need G3s to play effectively either. You said G1-G5 in one go not me, it was in your post. All I said is that if you want to do that, then you have to grind to get it, most likely for materials and certainly at the engineer/mobile mod shop. This is a fact.
I don't find the timeframe onerous in any shape or form. As to balance, that's got nothing to do with it and is another conversation.
LOL. This gets funnier. What hyperbole and what strawman are you talking about. You seem to have some issues explaining it.
It does not emphasize grinding. That is a load of poo. It emphasis player choice. If you decide to grind stuff out in the quickest way possibly, that is your choice. I choose not to do that as I don't need G5s on everything and neither does anyone else for that matter. I am very happy flying around with G1 upgrades until I happen upon some materials that can make a G2.
That is my choice and how I play. There is no strawman, I am describing what i do in game. Not my fault you can't seem to accept it.
I never said it was a reasonable expectation or how it should be or suggested any such balance for it. But you'd mentioned it prior to that post. I was pointing out how a) there was a group of mats that one does need to often go out of their way for rather than "just picking up" and as such anyone talking about things being G1-G5 "in one go" isn't responding to how anyone would ever expect to do anything. "Forget G5 in 1 go" doesn't translate to "it should be G5 in one go."
Did you forget making this post or something?:
or this one which my quote was from and was referencing?
A number of people do outside of shortcuts and grinding, which is going to be subjective. And no, that is the same conversation as balance. The end stats aren't the only things to balance. Time cost is balanced through RNG, availability and drop rates of the mats as well.
I have no issues explaining it. No one said people were trying to go G1 to G5 all at once and that's the reason they were grinding. You pulled that out of nowhere, and prior to my mention of it in response to you. That's your strawman.
Yes it does, it very much does. It emphasizes doing activities specifically for mats. It does so by concentrating specific mats in specific activities and locations and giving trace amounts of certain things if any outside of that. It's very much built in which is why you see so much focus on crash sites, HGE hunting, surface prospecting time/etc.
And as already stated, not using a system to it's fullest doesn't in any way mean the system is good.
Yes, you can chose to be uncritical. You can chose to paint inaccurate pictures of those who see it differently. I can still call you on it. Not my fault I'd you can't accept it.
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I like flight sims. This is a flight sim.
Just that there are some annoying aspects to this flight sim, and they're mainly time sinks and repetitious grind.
The worse thing about time sinks is that actions which involves the player sitting there doing nothing (eg. Hutton run, or a 500K Ls trip between 2 stars in a system) cannot be automated (eg. an autopilot).
So the player cannot leave the game to run and watch a movie. But he can't really just stare at a screen for the next 90 mins (unless he's one of those Nasa T-shirt neckbeards). It demands that you keep half your attention to the game. Nonsensical time sink.
As for engineering, I've gotten around it by using the various shortcuts and exploits I've read about. From logging/relogging at those abandoned POIs and datapoints, to trading up at mat traders. Still a grind, but made bearable. But it just seems counterintuitive for the game that we have to meta to get anywhere before boredom sets in.
Heh heh, that would make me a youth, which unfortuately I'm not! Tho there are advantages to being a grumpy, middle-aged man, like not giving a f@#$ about what anyone else thinks or says!
Totally agree with you!
I can't accept it either because you're talking a load of hogwash!
Then you're also being intentionally dismissive or obtuse with regard to what people are saying about engineering. The blunt interpretation I'm getting from Max Factor is "you're all wrong because I'm only halfheartedly engaging with the mechanic and when you do that it's fine." And that seems like a fundamentally flawed metric, one seemingly being justified with the assumption that all who criticize it are only interested in the maximum return for the minimum time.
Of course this all could just be a waste of words to a trollish response that hasn't even bothered to start to try to justify itself in the face of me quoting Max Factor doing exactly what I said he did or you just not bothering to read it. Whatever.
This seems to be the de rigueur grinder's response to any suggestions that will make the game less draggy or a little easier.
- If you talk about how grindy engineering is, they'll tell you be casual about it.
Even though the discussion is really about how to make things less boring.
But I wonder, if they're so casual about it, why are they even bothering if it gets easier or not? They're not even committed to it at all.
- If you talk about exploring and travelling being draggy, they'll tell you to appreciate staring at the dry paint which is the same type of sphere combinations going around a ball of nuclear fusion. All 400 billion of them.
Basically the gist is: I like it draggy. You should too. How dare you suggest something that will make it less boring for you?
And if you suggest something optional, like, for eg, an autopilot, which they can choose not to equip.
They will tell you that it makes the game less involving.
But the fact is that, even if it is optional, they see it as an advantage that they don't like and won't use. But they hate the idea that other players will use them, and thus leave them at a disadvantage.
In short. They want you to play the game their way.
I never said you are playing wrong. That's another load of poo as well. I said in my posts they you should play the way you want to play. It's your choice how you play. The game does not force anything on you, the game does not force you to grind, the game does not force you to play in a certain way. That's all on the person.
You want to grind, go ahead and grind, I don't care. But then coming on here and saying all it is is grind, when that is something you have chosen to do is wrong in my view.
If you don't like grind, why are you doing it when there are other ways to play. It's your choice.
I prefer to play the game in a way I enjoy, if you prefer not to, go for it. Not my problem. I just find it a bit sad. But if you enjoy the grind (which is not possible in the description of grind), then why are you on here complaining about it?
I'm still waiting on what I said was a strawman? You seem to be struggling to come back with that answer.
I'm like Maxie, I just pick stuff up as I go. I pick stuff up after combat, I pick stuff up when I'm mining, I pick stuff up when I stop to check out sgnals, I pick stuff up when I'm exploring and I find a planet with something interesting on it. There are so many goddam materials out there that engineering is so goddam easy that it's just ridiculous to say it ain't. Sure, I've only got a few modules up to G5 so far (after only a few weeks of owning Horizons!), but the benefits of even getting a module up to G2 or 3 are so good that I don't give a damn if those modules are not G5. I mean, compare something that's G3 with the vanilla version, it's kike comparing a Toyota Yaris with a high end Audi! So engineering's a f@#% ing gift, and people who are whinging about it are looking the proverbial gift horse in the mouth!
And if it's not "wah wah wah, engineering sucks", then it's "wah wah wah, supercruise takes too long" or some similar bloody nonsense. Someone in another thread informed me that this is common in gaming forums i.e. tons of whinging. Pretty bloody sad if you ask me. Sure, there may actually be real issues with ED, the one I know of is that the PS4 port is so buggy that some PS4 players have given up playing, so yeah, that does genuinely suck. But all the whinging about stuff that many of us enjoy, that just appears to be the whining of entitled, instant gratification kids who should not be playing a fantastic game like ED that requires patience, intellect and skill to fully enjoy.
Okay, had me rant, I'll get me coat.....
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Just because you like long draggy games, it doesn't mean that it's everyone's cup of tea.
Some people who complain aren't exactly kids either. Just regular working adults with very limited play time per day or even week,