I have seen a lot of people wanting a temperate pack recently. I myself am not personally fond of the idea. It’s mostly the people who want the devil and boar, which I could go without. I highly prefer a children’s zoo pack over a temperate, or an arboreal or mountain. Is anyone else in my boat?
Does anyone else not really want a temperate pack?
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Apart from one or 2 animals nothing really in the temperate packs appeal to me in the slightest considering how strong a general temperate roster already is. A mountain pack, expansions in the arid and tropical rosters or even touching birds is more appealing.
I'd obviously want a temperate pack for the Tasmanian devil alone, but even discounting them it seems much more appealing to me than any of the other remaining biome options besides islands (which aren't even a biome, they're a landform). Taiga and tundra have basically no animals that interest me, and even highlands is not likely to contain any of the mountain species I'd actually like to see - my most wanted mountain animals are all rocky arid species like the aoudad, yellow-footed rock-wallaby and rock hyrax, but a highlands pack is much more likely to just be another batch of cold climate caprines and carnivorans.
On the other hand, I feel a temperate pack that's something like [Tasmanian devil + wild boar + American black bear + wildcard (pheasant, duck, kiwi, echidna, muntjac, marten, etc)] would be both simple to make and have wide appeal - Australians get their devil, Europeans get their boar, North Americans get their black bear, and the wildcard option has all kinds of potential. There are definitely fewer temperate species high on my personal needs list compared to the tropics and aridlands, but seeing as these two biomes are unlikely to get a revisit within the next few packs it seems like one of the best remaining options for a fall DLC to me.
On the other hand, I feel a temperate pack that's something like [Tasmanian devil + wild boar + American black bear + wildcard (pheasant, duck, kiwi, echidna, muntjac, marten, etc)] would be both simple to make and have wide appeal - Australians get their devil, Europeans get their boar, North Americans get their black bear, and the wildcard option has all kinds of potential. There are definitely fewer temperate species high on my personal needs list compared to the tropics and aridlands, but seeing as these two biomes are unlikely to get a revisit within the next few packs it seems like one of the best remaining options for a fall DLC to me.
I'm mean i'm not opposed to it, but i want to get my SA centric pack. That si my priority. I don't really care about the devil, wolverine, walrus or Pallas cat, even though they will be nice to have.
I want birds and SA species the most. If we get mara, rhea or spectacled bear i'll be happy but still that won't enough for me to want a temperate pack since is likely we'll only get one of those if any.
I want birds and SA species the most. If we get mara, rhea or spectacled bear i'll be happy but still that won't enough for me to want a temperate pack since is likely we'll only get one of those if any.
I still think there aren't enough scenery options for Frontier to implement for a Temperate Pack. My gut feeling is that the only region of the world remaining with sufficient pieces for a scenery pack is Latin America. Farm Pack is an option but there aren't enough high priority animals and I doubt Frontier will put in the effort for petting interactions between visitors and animals.
Therefore I think Frontier will buck the trend and release a geographical pack next. Latin America contains parts of North America (Mexico, Central America, Caribbean) so it will be a "sequel" to that animal pack similar to Tropical/Southeast Asia and Arid/Africa.
This way, Tasmanian Devil can be saved for an Oceania focused Animal Pack and Wolverine will be an option for a Tundra Pack. This gives them more commercial opportunities in the future than to do a Woodland/Temperate Pack and pack those highly requested animals in.
This stems from my belief that we will continue to see 2024 DLCs even if Frontier releases a new Planet game next year, just like how Planet Coaster continued to get DLCs in 2019 the year Planet Zoo was released.
People have been asking for horizontal wood pieces and cabin-style architecture for ages. I could also picture some neat camping stuff to go with. A couple of flexicolor tents, sleeping bags, coolers, water bottles, a campfire, lantern, and generic supplies that could double as backstage props. Some fall trees and leaves would be nice, too.
Latin America is also high on my list of places that need to be revisited for architecture. It is the most critically needed region for animals, too. I still like the temperate idea for something seasonal and think there are some good options in it if the monkeys aren't ready yet.
Yes, but that can be done with a free update accompanying an animal pack. It's not substantial enough for a scenery pack imo, at least judging from previous scenery packs (Tropical, Twilight, Conservation), ect.
Yeah i cant see how some log walls and camping like style building pieces can reach the usual 150-200 odd pieces needed for a scenery pack. Especially considering log walls using individual logs or even the habitat logs is already possible. A free update introducing horizontal logs is a much better idea than ruining a potential unique scenery idea.
Whilst I don’t actually particularly want it, a petting zoo or children’s zoo pack would have plenty of options. Temperate pack has far better animals though. Alternatively islands, (Polynesian), a conservation-type theme (e.g., endangered species) or birds could all have great content (I could totally handle 150-200 aviary build pieces!).
I don’t really see what a Latin America pack would have that we don’t have now, TBH…. What are some examples of stuff that we can’t already build pretty well?
I don’t really see what a Latin America pack would have that we don’t have now, TBH…. What are some examples of stuff that we can’t already build pretty well?
A Temperate pack is actually one of my two most wanted pack themes. I much prefer temperate/cold climate animals anyway.
That is, if a Temperate pack manages to keep a coherent theme. Temperate is such a broad biome, so could really include a LOT of animals. I’d much prefer they stuck to a kind of ‘temperate woodlands’ theme for a pack like this, with things like the Tasmanian Devil, Wild Boar, European Bison, North American Black Bear and Alligator Snapping Turtle.
That is, if a Temperate pack manages to keep a coherent theme. Temperate is such a broad biome, so could really include a LOT of animals. I’d much prefer they stuck to a kind of ‘temperate woodlands’ theme for a pack like this, with things like the Tasmanian Devil, Wild Boar, European Bison, North American Black Bear and Alligator Snapping Turtle.
- Rustic log cabins with realistic looking cut logs
- Unique island architecture that isnt butchered from other scenery packs. Polynesian is the most common example
- Latin american for specific regional decorations. We can build the main buildings and whatnot pretty good, i have done several examples in the past. The africa pack funnily enough had great pieces for general use of southern europe and latin america rather than me actually using it for the designed purpose.
- Mountain architecture - nepal, tibet, mongolia etc
- Very modern architecture could be considered since most are made with the primitive block pieces which destroy performance.
Polynesia is too similar to the Indonesian theme that we recently got, a bird pack is unlikely until Q1 2024 imo.
Latin America architecture is very ubiquitous in a lot of zoos, particularly in the region but also in southern parts of the US. Right now, if you try to build Latin America architecture in Planet Zoo it looks like North European architecture with a splash of tropical colours. Even Italian/Spanish/Portuguese architecture would benefit from additional pieces here. There's a ton of architecture from Mexico alone that could be incorporated, not to mention Caribbean, Central America, Brazil...
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Will be addressed in free update methinks.
Indonesia already addresses this, I've yet to see Polynesian architecture in zoos distinct from Indonesia. In anycase, it's too close to the Tropical pack for this to be possible in Q3.
It doesn't look authentic enough, and Latin America is really important for zoo architecture everyone knows this.
I've never seen Nepalese/Tibetan architecture in zoos distinct from generic Asian/Chinese/Japanese, I doubt it will warrant an entire scenery pack for itself. However we could see a few minor pieces added in a Highland Animal Pack.
I would perhaps add farm pieces to this list, but ultimately I don't think Frontier is interested in a petting zoo pack right now (and animating animal-visitor interactions and petting) + there are no animals here that are high in wishlist...
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Not really. The only similar architectural style in the Indonesian scenery set are the Tongkonan house pieces, given the Torajan people are also an Austronesian ethnic group, but that's a very specific kind of structure and can't really be used to replicate most Polynesian buildings (which themselves are extremely varied). I don't see how Latin American architecture is distinct enough to justify a whole scenery set while Polynesia isn't. I'm not really expecting an Islands Pack so close to Tropical though, maybe in Spring 2024 if ever.
I mean, I've never seen distinctly Romanian architecture in zoos and yet the Twilight Pack happened, even with a European theme already being in the game.
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After getting a grassland, a tropical and an arid DLCs in a row, I'm dying for getting a temperate pack or at least a cold-biome DLC next. I see a lot of potential for a scenery pack, and reducing a temperate pack to a horizontal log wall set is to simplify it too much. It's like saying that the Indonesian theme we got in the tropical pack is just another stone wall set. A temperate scenery pack could include many different wooden and stone structures and elements, like plenty of logs (which could be used to make custom fences in a tropical zoo), hollow trees, totems, carvings, doors, windows, awnings... The pieces could include pine needles, pine cones, antlers as decoration, pebbles, woodchip panels, more bark panels... The foliage of the pack could be awesome too. And please, what do you say about this awesome bench and table? This design could be used in any zoos!
Because there are no zoos that I remember with only Polynesian themed area that doesn't incorporate Indonesia. For example, Chester Zoo's Islands area is predominantly Indonesian with some Polynesian elements splashed in.
On the other hand, there is so much distinct/diverse Latin America architecture potential that really doesn't look much like any of the current themes we have. You would want a Latin America scenery pack for either creating a distinct themed section or a complete zoo entirely. However, if you wanted to do Islands you could simply use the Indonesian Theme with a splash of Africa (not ideal, but still feasible).
However, it's possible 2024 will see Islands Scenery Pack, I agree. But I believe it will only happen if Frontier adds a coastal biome map because otherwise it wouldn't really fit vibe-wise.
It's also based on commercial viability. Frontier just decided there was commercial appeal with Gothic/Romanian architecture in a Halloween theme. Although zoos don't have it, theme parks do. There's simply less commercial viability with Tibetan or Polynesian architecture thus less likelihood of a scenery pack inclusion.
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Well that gave me my daily dose of cringe. As a north European myself, I can't even think of any buildings would feel remotely close to what I build for Mexican themed areas in my zoos. Using base game and african pack scenery sets - plaster walls, tiles, terracotta roofs and a heavy dose of advanced builder skills, one can easily recreate Latin American buildings with ease. Plaster and or limestone is exactly the material of choice to pull off the architecture, any designs to bring life to these buildings need custom building and strong knowledge of the scenery catalogue.
Not satisfied with just using the wall and roof sets, well get custom building to give your buildings to life. Many cultures around the globe don't have exactly their own specific architecture, I wouldn't put such heavy emphasis on one which already has 75 percent of the required materials already included.
What is lacking for latin américa (other than animals) pieces are mostly decorative. I would like that. But i agree that the colonial style can be achieved with the current pieces.
Yeah I mentioned earlier that it's really just decorative pieces that are truly missing. Possibly my meaning was misinterpreted but i do agree that it can be rather difficult to make extensive recreations of Latin American villages/towns solely due to the lack of character that the current building set gives us.