Don't we WANT to support the devs RIGHT NOW?

[zimms]

You can only Transfer ships to other shipyard.
So if where you are going doesn't have a ship yard, say like the Pleiades, you will be flying that 20 Light Year FSD fitted FDL and it wont feel like at waste of time then

Why do I need a shipyard? This completely destroys the whole purpose of instant ship transfer. FD should remove this artificial barrier, it keeps me from having fun. Why should I look for the nearest station with a shipyard (might even be in another system!) and have to SC all the way there. Ship transfer must be INSTANT.

If I come across a CZ in my T9 and want to fight, I sure as hell don't want to waste time traveling to and looking for a shipyard. And if you don't like it, you can still alt-tab, search EDDB for a shipyard and fly around in SC for a while, pretending that's what you have to do.

 

[CMDR Aengus]

Actually all we have is assumptions. And about twenty odd people in this thread threatening ragequit.
FD have the data.
They have the numbers.
They will play to their strengths.
Its really simple like that.
The science is in the galaxy, the planets, the movements, the geography, the biology.
The lore is in somewhat cheesey 80s Sci Fi and was never written that well to begin with.
The gameplay mechanics are being tweaked to to suit the highest denominator and for actual gameplay...
... Like flying spaceships and peaches like that.
Considering the direction, I guess actual real feedback based on their data is... Wait for it...
Don't cry now... It won't hurt that much..

Players want less time micromanaging peaches and more time flying all their spaceships and doing stuff. And peaches.

Always makes me wonder, all these hardcore ED purists kicking up a fuss about gameplay changes that destroy immersion.
Aren't all you guys n gal's playing self-imposed iron man rules?
Which involves making an actual choice (in a sandbox game) to not take advantage of certain gameplay mechanics to increase your immersion.

And so, if you're not playing iron man mode... Well... Stop whining and complaining about mechanics and immersion. You haven't got a leg to stand on.

And as for a 'Piece of Art... Really.

It's a game. About flying spaceships.

If FD continues to support this idea. I will continue to play and buy peaches.

It's not rocket science.

 

[Rodafowa]

I found Sandro's reasoning's insufficient and his stance closed off.

For example, he said ship transfer would be instant or take a long time. So in the spirit of making the most happy and "taking down barriers to fun" they are going with instant. No mention of compromise between the two extremes. That got my blood simmering.

Uh... dude? He 100% said a paraphrase of "we considered a short delay but decided that if you were going to get your immersion broken by instant transfer making you wait a few seconds or a few minutes wasn't going to address that".

 

[Sandmann]

Read the post , no evidence of a large proportion of the player base.

Regarding this, just look around you. Have you EVER seen such a huge reaction from such a great consensus? Even RNGineers were so universally loathed as this idea (and you'll note that was later changed).

Regarding the rest that wasn't aimed at you personally, so don't take it as such. I have always found your posts to at least be reasonable and well thought out, sadly not everyone is like that.

Thankyou for that, though my point remains true. Insult is never a good way to make your case, it just makes people fight back harder, and as my post shows is easily misunderstood.

 

[OriginalBadBoy]

We were sold a bunch of promises, and we're getting something different. For a lot of us this is about bringing back something that we care about. It's not "being on a high horse" to be upset about large changes of direction, arrogance, and broken promises.
.

And yet how many hours have you put into the game? Be honest. I bet its well over a couple of hundred, you are still here so you obviously must be getting some enjoyment out of the game. If you feel that passionately about FD messing up your 'vision' of the game then why are you not gone already? Because you still support FD thats why, getting it back on topic.

As I said previously, NONE of us are getting the game we wanted, from the start that much was obvious. Other than offline mode I cant think of anything that really sticks out as not being delivered, and the game is still in development so there is always time to add the missing stuff.

If you cant accept that , then move on, if you can then just carry on enjoying the game such as it is.

 

[Sandmann]

Uh... dude? He 100% said a paraphrase of "we considered a short delay but decided that if you were going to get your immersion broken by instant transfer making you wait a few seconds or a few minutes wasn't going to address that".

Yes he did, and it would appear that a great many of us not only take exception to the attitude, but also disagree with his assessment.

 

[lysan]

I am more objective than most people here thats for sure ....

I make no apologies for being a shareholder (only a very small one btw), and I have been just as critical about FD as anyone else has in the past. I even sent a PM to Sandro when the ship transfer was first announced asking him if he really thought that was a good idea.

Im not calling naysayers pathetic, I am calling those who go the extra mile with the whole 'sky is falling' routine. Nothing wrong with having an opinion , but if this is what FD have decided to do then people should accept that and move past it. If I didnt agree with everything that FD have done so far to that level of vitrol hatred that you see here sometimes I would have never have backed the game in the first place.

Its about having a reasonable, level headiness about these sorts of things rather than getting so emotionally invested that people cant think straight.

I'm a shareholder too, never nix feelings with investments, it's like sex and love

 

[Flavourless]

Its not about rage quit.
Its not even about ship transfer mechanics.

It is about the core fans who were there even before the game was released, realizing that there is a consistent trend in development away from the game that was outline pre-release.
Even if people who love the game can bite the bullet and accept that instant ship (and maybe even pilot) transportations should be part of the game, the next development will surely be even harder to swallow, and the one after that.
Trends do not in general reverse without huge effort, and the ED development one has been running inexorably towards trivial gameplay since 1.1.

I do not rage quit, or sink into hysteria, but I will not buy more expansions.

 

[OriginalBadBoy]

Regarding this, just look around you. Have you EVER seen such a huge reaction from such a great consensus?

But thats a reaction from what 0.1% of the entire playerbase?

Yes its been a divisive issue for sure, Im not saying it hasnt, and I want a delay on ship transfer as well btw. But in the end if you take the actual no's of people who are so upset by it that they simply cannot get passed it, compared to the actual player base its a very small percentage. You are on a forum, and as with most forums you will see people complaining more than not, thats just the nature of things.

And people are getting upset over a feature which is entirely optional in the end, it seems that most have a problem with the fact thats its being added rather than if it actually effects their ED experience, which it wont any more than any of the other 2.2 changes. The game is going to fundamentally change with 2.2 for 'other' reasons, ship transfer will probably be the least of peoples worries by that point!

 

[Sandmann]

And yet how many hours have you put into the game? Be honest. I bet its well over a couple of hundred, you are still here so you obviously must be getting some enjoyment out of the game. If you feel that passionately about FD messing up your 'vision' of the game then why are you not gone already? Because you still support FD thats why, getting it back on topic.

As I said previously, NONE of us are getting the game we wanted, from the start that much was obvious. Other than offline mode I cant think of anything that really sticks out as not being delivered, and the game is still in development so there is always time to add the missing stuff.

If you cant accept that , then move on, if you can then just carry on enjoying the game such as it is.

Oh I've easily had several hundred hours, though if I'm to be honest in the last two months I've played for one hour and even that was just to let a friend have a go at the training missions using my account (he didn't buy it). Since 1.4 I've played it less and less, I briefly came back to it for a month or so with horizons then rapidly lost interest again. I still WANT to play the game I was promised, but that's not the game that was delivered, and every poor or questionable design choice takes it further and further away from that original concept. It's still installed on my desk (though not up to date) but not on my laptop, the joystick is unscrewed from the desk and put away, I didn't play the last beta, and I've got no interest even in looking at the next one. If that doesn't demonstrate concern enough, consider that MANY of the loudest complaints about this are coming from other long term supporters and beta and alpha backers such as myself. If us die-hard fans are turning away in droves, is that not something to be concerned about?

 

[OriginalBadBoy]

Its not about rage quit.
Its not even about ship transfer mechanics.

It is about the core fans who were there even before the game was released,

And I include myself in that group, and I still support FD. Those two things are mutually exclusive, you can still be a core gamer and not get upset with the way the game is going.

 

[Shockbot]

I am supporting de Devs.

The only things that bring me out of patients is no ingame opportunity to get Paintjobs and Shipkits and I have the feeling that the devs are not working as much as they can on ED. The not announcend delay on 2.2 and the other expansions are not the fine art. Did they announce it at the gamescom to escape player critics? I mean, why not say it here on the forums?

[hehe]

 

[Sandmann]

But thats a reaction from what 0.1% of the entire playerbase?

It's a reaction from a representative slice of the playerbase. I've yet to see any convincing evidence that the forum population doesn't accurately reflect the general population. And even if it's not entirely representative, even if it's off by as much as 20% (highly unlikely), if ~80% of the forum users are so strongly against this idea, this still means that as much as 60% of the player base probably is.

And people are getting upset over a feature which is entirely optional in the end, it seems that most have a problem with the fact thats its being added rather than if it actually effects their ED experience, which it wont any more than any of the other 2.2 changes. The game is going to fundamentally change with 2.2 for 'other' reasons, ship transfer will probably be the least of peoples worries by that point!

It's not JUST this one though, people have BEEN upset for a long time, and this one is seeming like "the straw that broke the camel's back" for many. It's a step TOO far. You mention that I'm usually well thought out and not prone to emotional outbursts, I've never been one for rage quitting and still am not, but at this point I'm about ready to intentionally uninstall. That should be of concern, coz I'm a big fan of the series and the genre in general.

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And I include myself in that group, and I still support FD

As a shareholder - even a minor one - forgive me if I say "well of course you do".

 

[Rodafowa]

There is a thread with thousands of posts arguing how long something should take. This, friend, this is what it has descended to. Immersion for the sake of it, not for actual sane reason.

I was very angry at Sandro, David and the entire team, at first. I've since come to realise they are just trying to make the game where some of the mechanics are expedient so that people actually have time to experience the rest of it.

The amount of abuse and vitriol and childish foot-stomping over the last 3-4 days has been pathetic. I agree with the OP, I can be super ticked off at a mechanic, but I can still support frontier in their endeavours. Or, if I make repeated threats, make good on my breath-holding and stop funding their game.

Because if the last set of changes are world ending, what do people think will happen for the next major update? The developers listen and they respond. Why, given the screaming going on, I have no idea.

Thanks, frontier, for whatever it's worth, for listening.

Holy moly, THAT.

The degree to which people are determined to make this into a war against largely-****ing-imaginary "casual" players is baffling. IF YOU TOLERATE ANOTHER GAMEY MECHANIC IN A GAME THAT'S ALREADY FULL OF THEM THEN YOUR CHILDREN WILL BE NEXT BLAH BLAH BLAH INSTANT GRATIFICATION BLAH BLAH MAGIC BLAH WIN BUTTON BLAH.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

OP - don't worry about it. Something like this happens with every major patch.

It will blow over. Then FD will release the next major patch, and people will find the next hot topic to rage over.

In between patches, the Open vs Group vs Solo debate usually heats up as people have nothing else to rage over.

People need their catharsis.

 

[Rob At Work]

I am more objective than most people here thats for sure ....

But that is only your opinion - ie subjective, how do you objectively, arrive at that conclusion?

LOL - it's Friday, whoop whoop!

 

[OriginalBadBoy]

. If us die-hard fans are turning away in droves, is that not something to be concerned about?

TBH .. I dont know, from my point of view I consider myself a diehard Elite fan. During the kickstarter I got way too emotional about certain things (you may remember you may not, the t-shirt incident for example).

In the end, for me, ED is an Elite game warts and all, and I want a modern Elite game in my life, ED fills that need, the alternative is not having it in my life.

If FD decided at some point to make the game uber casucal (NMS level of casual) then yeah I would probably call it a day as well, but I dont see that happening here, not by a long shot.

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As a shareholder - even a minor one - forgive me if I say "well of course you do".

Yeah and if you were you would do exactly the same thing, but it does go beyond that, and as stated I don't 'white knight' Frontier, I have always been critical when required.

I still support Frontier as a development team, look what they are doing with with Planet Coaster, that game is (hopefully) going to be huge, and it should be because they are crafting something special there. This isnt just about ED.

 

[Sandmann]

TBH .. I dont know, from my point of view I consider myself a diehard Elite fan. During the kickstarter I got way too emotional about certain things (you may remember you may not, the t-shirt incident for example).

In the end, for me, ED is an Elite game warts and all, and I want a modern Elite game in my life, ED fills that need, the alternative is not having it in my life.

If FD decided at some point to make the game uber casucal (NMS level of casual) then yeah I would probably call it a day as well, but I dont see that happening here, not by a long shot.

I don't remember the t-shirt incident, though I'll agree we all get over-invested from time to time. I don't think that's the case here though, quite the opposite in fact. A lot of us are becoming less and less invested, because warts or not, ED is becoming less and less "elite". I believe you're an 84-er? At the time would you have described Elite as an easy, convenient game? I suspect anything but, and it was that challenge that was it's most attractive feature. ED is turning into something I'd expect to see on a free to play mobile phone game, just with better graphics.

 

[OriginalBadBoy]

But that is only your opinion - ie subjective, how do you objectively, arrive at that conclusion?

LOL - it's Friday, whoop whoop!

Touche

 

[Trueno33]

ED will not be a unique and amazing game when instamagic goes live. I have always supported ED in these forums when someone came complaining.

It's painful to see FD deliberatedly willing to downgrade our experience and the scope of the game. I show the support by pointing this.

If they wish to go on with the demolition of their own game's credibility I can do nothing more.

But I remembered yesterday that I have this copy of X3 in my steam library. That somehow conforts me