[DW2] Sudden Mystery Expedition

[dognosh]

It has been brought to my attention that some or even many people are finding the very idea of this expedition offensive. Some are finding the required jump range, as well as the fact that it's one-way, to be rather elitist, or at the very least, too hardcore.

I just want to explain that I didn't realise that this was how some people might see this. I certainly only wanted this to bring joy to people. I also knew that it wouldn't be for most people so I made sure to say that this is not OFFICIALLY part of DW2. I also, from the start, was enthusiastic about the idea of getting those who can't make it for any and all reasons to join anyway through multi-crew, for all the good reasons - making friends, practice for DW2, enjoying teamwork.

Alas, from the leadership point of view, this expedition looks fantastic on paper, but there will be many that find this very off putting for the whole idea of DW2.

I have come to understand this, and in part regret that may have happened. My intentions were only to provide a nice challenge, a good excuse to go somewhere awesome, a good place that before really was only reachable by the extremely hardcore elite players, but is now opened up to many more. Distant Stars went very well so I only assumed this would go well too.

Let me remind and emphasise once again that this isn't official, just a "beginning" and yes it will be setting a tone of challenge and achievement. But the tone is challenge and achievement together. For those who don't want to see Distant Worlds' most important theme as one of challenge, I would say that's definitely fine. Distant Worlds is a lot of things, and challenging is one of them. Everyone will come at their own pace, in their own way, and we will do our best to try and make sure everyone has fun, and has the expedition that is best for them.

We are always open to suggestions, you can pm Erimus and I and any of the organisers and give us suggestions, feedback, ideas, complaints and compliments and I promise we will take it all into account.

Bottom line: this is a very optional expedition. If you don't like the idea of it, or it just isn't for you, that's absolutely fine. I hope you don't take away that DW2 is only for the elite, is flippant (the whole one-way thing), or is overly hardcore. Please feel free to come via multicrew, watch it happen from the sidelines, or sit it out completely. The main expedition will still be all the magic of DW1, multiplied 10 fold.

Some will call you elitist,others won't. Ignore it and continue doing what you do.
There was a time the biggest name in "services to exploration and explorers" was Erimus, now it's Erimus & Dr. Kaii .

I would have loved to have attended this event,but I was booked months ago for my close friend's 60th tomorrow

 

[True Phoenix]

"It has been brought to my attention that some or even many people are finding the very idea of this expedition offensive. Some are finding the required jump range, as well as the fact that it's one-way, to be rather elitist, or at the very least, too hardcore."

Elitist….fancy that! We have some snowflakes whining about players trying to go the extra mile in a game called.... Elite. The mind boggles. Has something happened to a proportion of humanity that didn't make the news? Too much lead in the water maybe? Or is it more down to the ability of small-minded, whining, insular, 1st world problem suffering idiots being able to communicate with the vast majority of right minded, inclusive, polite and dare I say it broadminded people of this world? Its getting to the point that anyone can now be a "pressure group". Its about time society decided to announce what it thinks of such individuals.

As for "offensive". What!? Its a computer game, offensive doesn't happen. Offensive is when something terrible happens in the real world and you take offence. In a computer game the most that should happen if you don't like the event idea is you put down the full fat coke, set aside the jam doughnut, take a blast from your inhaler, shift your ample butt cheeks slightly and type "meh" and move on with your life, as sad as it is.

Dr kaii and all the others taking part, please enjoy your challenging and inventive exploration event, its not my thing but I shall follow its progress with interest and a smile. Good luck.
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[Henkka77]

It has been brought to my attention that some or even many people are finding the very idea of this expedition offensive. Some are finding the required jump range, as well as the fact that it's one-way, to be rather elitist, or at the very least, too hardcore.

Err... what??

Cant believe those are coming from exploration community..

 

[CMDR Lølwut]

Alrighty, looks like i am ready for tomorrow aswell

Spoiler

 

[JT442]

There will be a small Console contingent too. Both XB and PS are representing. Just remember to take lots of pictures before our inevitable demise on some far-flung rock...

 

[WR3ND]

It has been brought to my attention that some or even many people are finding the very idea of this expedition offensive. Some are finding the required jump range, as well as the fact that it's one-way, to be rather elitist, or at the very least, too hardcore.

...

For me it's just way too meta. "Hardcore" for me would be if you stay there for as long as possible until you find a way back (supercruising between unlocked systems at the very least should definitely be a thing in the game) or deplete all your resources, fading silently into the black, like a true pioneer and explorer. Or on the other hand, even playing off of it like when Bomba Luigi was stranded in his SRV.

This is the same reason I wasn't interested in Distant Stars. I play the game as a survivalist (I haven't lost a ship since 3301 and have never lost an SRV outside of beta), adventurer, and explorer. That, and it seems somewhat contradictory to the "no soldier left behind" and friends don't let friends self-destruct approach to playing the game immersively, so I can sort of see why some might take offense. At the end of the day, it is just a game, so to each their own.

Cheers.

 

[dognosh]

Alrighty, looks like i am ready for tomorrow aswell

FD nerfed Lølwut's hell

 

[True Phoenix]

For me it's just way too meta. "Hardcore" for me would be if you stay there for as long as possible until you find a way back (supercruising between unlocked systems at the very least should definitely be a thing in the game) or deplete all your resources, fading silently into the black, like a true pioneer and explorer. Or on the other hand, even playing off of it like when Bomba Luigi was stranded in his SRV.

This is the same reason I wasn't interested in Distant Stars. I play the game as a survivalist, adventurer, and explorer. To each their own though.

Cheers.

If it is "to each his own" why bother posting? Another user of media with nothing to say. Meta has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with this, its an attempt to achieve, to reach, to try - no more, no less. Its exactly the same as explorers did back in 1.1. Btw how do you know, with certainty, that not one of the group doesn't try to stay there? You are pre-judging something that you do not know. Maybe you would be better to keep your powder dry and argue the point after the event.

 

[Jackie Silver]

Err... what??

Cant believe those are coming from exploration community..

My 2d worth: the jump requirement is trivial. The one-way nature of the trip makes it something I would never take part in - that is not hardcore, it is the opposite of hardcore, because it means treating the characters as disposable - not just fragile, in the way that you might lose them in normal play, but as deliberately disposable assets. A heat sink in a flight suit. But hey, if people want to do it, whatever. No skin off my shapely nose.

As for elitism, shrugs that's never going to be a worry of mine, is it?

 

[WR3ND]

If it is "to each his own" why bother posting? ...

To help clarify why some, myself included, aren't interested.

Why post anything on a forum anyway? We're having a civil conversation here, I thought.

I'm not attacking people for their preferences; I'm explaining the reasons for my approach and preferences as it pertains to the game and gameplay in general.

...Btw how do you know, with certainty, that not one of the group doesn't try to stay there?...

I'm assuming you read the OP, which clearly states what is generally expected for this expedition. Knowingly getting myself stranded isn't something I'm particularly interested in either, though I might make an exception for something like the LMC. Tough to say. It'd have to be something worth dedicating my Commander's life to in the game. If other people feel that way about this expedition, fair enough, and even if they don't, to each their own.

Again, my earlier post was meant as clarification for my style of play and why I'm not interested in this expedition, not an attack on others.

Cheers.

 

[CMDR Lølwut]

FD nerfed Lølwut's hell

I know, we noticed that back on Distant Stars at first. I thought its just bad timing due to the orbit but nope, as various commaders confirmed since then, the superhot landing action has been "fixed". Well atleast we have the Screenshots and Videos to keep that crazy place in our memories

and now i have another story that i can begin with "Back in my days..."

 

[Old Duck]

We have some snowflakes whining about players trying to go the extra mile in a game called.... Elite. The mind boggles. Has something happened to a proportion of humanity that didn't make the news? Too much lead in the water maybe? Or is it more down to the ability of small-minded, whining, insular, 1st world problem suffering idiots being able to communicate with the vast majority of right minded, inclusive, polite and dare I say it broadminded people of this world?

I can't tell if you are bragging or complaining

 

[Numenor1379]

We need the info for console users added to the OP if possible.

 

[JT442]

Erimus' post #2.

Thats all the info there is right now. Fleetcomm PG for text comms, but I'll host a voice party on XBlive too. For PS4, contact Allcrowsareblack


JT442

 

[WR3ND]

My 2d worth: the jump requirement is trivial. The one-way nature of the trip makes it something I would never take part in - that is not hardcore, it is the opposite of hardcore, because it means treating the characters as disposable - not just fragile, in the way that you might lose them in normal play, but as deliberately disposable assets. A heat sink in a flight suit. But hey, if people want to do it, whatever. No skin off my shapely nose.

As for elitism, shrugs that's never going to be a worry of mine, is it?

I hold myself to different standards than what the game allows for. If others consider that elitism, water off a duck's back. Likewise for those that make the most of the possibilities, I would hope. We all play the game for our own reasons after all.

Cheers.

 

[Yanick]

Sadly Im going to have to pull out of this, at least as a ships Captain. There isn't enough time for me to do what's needed to get the FSD Booster. I'll most likely try and multi crew with someone o7

 

[True Phoenix]

I can't tell if you are bragging or complaining

If you don't know, you are part of the problem.

 

[drkaii]

Nice to know they've been fixing networking issues.


Well the Icarus is all set to go. Like Wicked, my Krait's stuck at 61ly unless I drop to an 8t tank. [where is it]

You don't need to drop to an 8t tank, you just need to make sure you only have around 8t of fuel in your tank when you are ready to do the last jump

Perhaps it was confusing, that it was published under the 'DW' branding, why not DS2?

Yes, well, if it has been brought to your attention by others, and not directly told to you by those who hold that opinion, either in public or in private, then I don't think you should worry about it much. The only mistakes you might have made were in the naming and the branding, in my opinion: this isn't exactly a full-blown expedition, but more of a one-time event. As such, it probably shouldn't have gotten the DW2 tag and logo. This ties in to what optimal_909 asked: it's probably not Distant Suns 2 either because of that. Probably would've been better to just not give it any existing brand... but well, what's done is done, lesson learned, life goes on.

DS2 was it's own thing and DW2 hadn't been announced. I explained my reasoning in the op but I do see the question now (that it's been brought to my attention) and I hear the point. Erimus also initially didn't want to make it part of DW2 and insisted on the emphasis of it being optional, which I wholeheartedly agreed with. The sheer number of people who are involved, who are all quite different and have different expectations, desires etc. make it so important to get feedback and I am starting to see important to discuss almost everything with a few people before finalising it

It's also why it might not be the best idea to think of DW2 as a brand per se, because that makes it sound like it's too pinned down, too specific, when all it is really is a journey, undertaken by a conglomeration of people from all over working together just once, so it needs to accommodate a lot and therefore shouldn't be too specifically pinned down where possible, but of course it still has a flavour and a theme and a spirit of its own!

I'll never understand why people find the need to complain about something that's supposed to a fun bit of craziness where everyone is invited. Anyone who's ever done any flying with Dr.Kaii should know by now that he's always coming up with optional craziness to spice things up. I'm sure Dr. Kaii and Erimus have been hard at work planning crazy shenanigans for DW2 that aren't one way trips.

Thank you, that was such a nice meaningful set of videos, we've had some good times!

Sadly Im going to have to pull out of this, at least as a ships Captain. There isn't enough time for me to do what's needed to get the FSD Booster. I'll most likely try and multi crew with someone o7

I think I haven't quite emphasised this enough but if you come via multicrew then you ARE NOT "PULLING OUT" You are participating 100%


As I said above, I there are lots of people and lots of playstyles, even in the exploration community, and not all of us would even consider ourselves "explorers" but are here for the fun and legend of DW2 (don't worry, I am definitely an explorer). It's really good to understand eachother so I am glad to hear differing points of view to try and make this good all round. We must also remember that even though it doesn't feel like it, it's taken us hundreds of hours to get to where we are, and there was a long long time when an expedition like this would have been considered too hardcore (and other valid reasons for not liking this expedition are being brought up, for example it interfering with role play which a lot of people consider very important), and even affording a ship that can make the jump, not to mention kitting it out, are things they aren't even considering right now. I want as much participation as possible so everyone has to be considered!

And dognosh, thanks. Just want to add though that Erimus has done a LOT more than me for the community and done whole categories of things I haven't touched, and it's an honour to work with him!

 

[fieval]

I hold Erimus and Dr Kaii in the highest regard [up]

They have organised some fantastic jaunts over the years !

I went on Distant Stars and had a ball.

If you are looking for a fun little trip, and not playing "Iron Man Mode" (or Roleplaying) this should be a fantastic expedition.

Wish I could join but I am currently nearly 40 000 LY from Colonia

 

[drkaii]

Come on multicrew!