True, what we need to do is seal it in a case and put it on a loop around a black hole so it gets quite close to the event horizon where time slows down, by the time we get it back it could be several hundred years old and fine vintage!
ED does not do what Newton's Laws say......
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True, what we need to do is seal it in a case and put it on a loop around a black hole so it gets quite close to the event horizon where time slows down, by the time we get it back it could be several hundred years old and fine vintage!
The point here is that time is incorrectly modelled, I mean it is way off.
Addendum: Right, it would seem that it is my conceptualisation of faster than light travel that was wanting.
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Pretty sure that special relativity wants the brandy to remain the same age, whilst time in the local spot keeps ticking... Oh right yes, thinking about it, if the jump travel creates a worm hole that means faster than light travel ... Yes, point taken, it is only the appearance of the brandy in said system, that would be late, not the actual physical arrival.
Never known a game to require so much mental gymnastics and thought experimentation; I need a glass of Lavian brandy!
Umm, that sounds like nonsense. Time passes slower the faster you travel, while time, relatively speaking, passes at the same rate at your origin point. So if you travel out for a light year near the speed of light, then back near the speed of light, maybe several hundred years will pass at your point of origin while you were traveling while only a few days will pass for the brandy on board the ship. It's impossible to reach the speed of light in real space so time will never completely stop passing, so the brandy will not remain the same age, that's impossible in Einsteinian relativity, time must pass.
This is the notion of time dilation that is inherent to and described by special relativity. If you travel for one year at the speed of light, or at 2000 times the speed of light as marked in game whilst in SCO for a short spell time will have considerably slowed down for you whilst remaining constant or there about for folk in your point of depart. When you the same will occur again on your return trip, again time will slow to a near stand still for you. Though you will perceive it is remaining the same. Like time near a black hole, moving faster has the same effect. So although next to no time will have passed for you and your barrel of brandy those back home will have seen an aeon pass.
As such you will be able to sell your brandy as being vintage, when it is in reality, as green as the bottle its served in.
If relativity does not appear to be nonsensical, one has not thought about it enough.
Back to those thrusters, I was chuckling to myself earlier with a thought inspired by your observation: when travelling sufficiently fast, you can call on the directional commands all you like, but will be thrusting into Minkowski space and achieving nought but tensors!
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If you appraoch NMS as a space game, or about flying, you would be totally diappointed, because it's not about that at all.
It's a sci-fi survival/builder sandbox game, more similar to games like Minecraft, or Subnautica.
If you enjoy those games, then you would find it enjoyable, otherwise just spare yourself the hassle.
Agreed. NMS' flight model is very arcade-y. You can, for example, never fly to the sun (unless they changed this in the 3 years or so since I played through NMS), only to other planets and space stations.
If you want the wine to age relative to yourself, I think you would instead put the your sealed case somewhere safe and go skirt the black hole yourself for a "relatively" short time, then return to find the wine, along with the rest of the universe, has aged a few decades during your week's vacation near the event horizon. Be aware, prices may go down as well as up.
That doesn't make sense, you want it to age relative to the universe, not just yourself, it would seem counterproductive. Why not just freeze yourself and wait a hundred years, then when you unfeeze all wine from that period when you froze yourself would be vintage for you and everyone else.
It's funny that even though there's in principle nothing to see in ED when you are between stellar/planetary bodies, the fact that you can fly anywhere within a system without limit does give a sense of utter freedom. There might not be anything to see there, but you can go there if you want. No stupid gameplay limitations stopping you.
Yep, if I want to fly into a star I should be allowed to, in fact I tried it once when I was running out of fuel, wanted to go out in a blaze of glory, ended up choking on vacuum but I made a damn good try!
The point that I was wanting to make is that trading and missions would need an entirely different model under relativity and the calendar, well calendars on earth are difficult enough a galactic time piece and accompanying calendar would be nigh on impossible. As such it is best not to adhere to the laws of physics as we currently understand them. But more importantly, that the limiting of the drive system makes complete sense this way, breaking away from the Newtonian model, because the lore is in fitting with an even more precise physical model, that of relativity; This is not the hand of an arbiter without sense.
One might conclude otherwise, in that which concerns the complexity of time in the actual galaxy; Perhaps an arbiter looking for sense.
One might conclude otherwise, in that which concerns the complexity of time in the actual galaxy; Perhaps an arbiter looking for sense.
Maybe an apple just fell onto their VR headset
I was just trying to point out that your method of sending it to a black hole accomplishes the exact opposite of this.
Actually ageing it relative to yourself is fine. Either you'll drink it yourself, or if you meet someone and offer it to them it will be aged relative to them too.
Hang on, good point there, I was confusing myself, you want time to pass faster for the wine not slower, hmm, just drop it into deep space between the galaxies, ok the effect isn't going to be very great, but time does pass slightly faster there, but probably need to atomic clock to measure the difference so not sure that's going to help much..
There are a lot of misunderstandings about general relativity, but it is indeed so that it would be theoretically possible for you to travel from Earth to Alpha Centauri in one second (assuming you could somehow withstand the acceleration), and then come back in one second, from your own point of view. The problem would be that over 8 years would have passed on Earth (for an observer on Earth you would have never surpassed the speed of light at any point, and your travel would, from this perspective, have lasted over 8 years.) Cool way to travel to the future, but not very practical to organize events.
However, in science fiction the idea of creating a wormhole is that, at least theoretically, a shortcut is created by bending spacetime. In other words, you are not actually traveling that 4 LY distance from Earth to Alpha Centauri, but you are literally and physically traveling a significantly shorter distance, a shortcut created by bending spacetime. It's like burrowing through the Earth in order to not have to go around it in order to get to the other side (except in a much more extreme form in this case). This would mean that you are traveling significantly less than 4 LY, and thus time dilation is likewise significantly less (although it would still not be zero).
Theoretically the GR spacetime geometry would allow that, but there might be no way to actually do that in reality (at least not that fast). But in science fiction we can speculate what it would be like if it were possible.
Right yes, I'm just getting to see now where the worm hole concept comes into this, heck of a thing to be getting physics thought experiments made clearer to you by such an incredible game; I'm going to be pondering this one for some time.
Addendum: I don't believe that worm holes are possible, but am perfectly happy to accept that they do and are and that they are exploitable, for immersion a good game! No issues with the suspension of disbelief for me here.
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actually i think you will find its the other way around you would need to leave the brandy in normal spacetime and you yourself would need to loop the event horizon as from the the brandy's point of view time is moving its normal speed as it looped the hole and its the outside universe that gone bonkers and speed up it could watch in awe as stars are born and die within a few months possibly( in "brandy time"
)planets would probably look like atoms and moons would look like electron orbits
as for observing the brandy from the outside normal space time the brandy would appear motionless and unchanged for billions of centuries
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If ever there was a way to curdle brandy, we might be on track for finding it! I'm crossing my fingers and hoping for something on par with the pangalactic gargle blaster, on the other side!actually i think you will find its the other way around you would need to leave the brandy in normal spacetime and you yourself would need to loop the event horizon as from the the brandy's point of view time is moving its normal speed as it looped the hole and its the outside universe that gone bonkers and speed up it could watch in awe as stars are born and die within a few months possibly( in "brandy time"
planets would probably look like atoms and moons would look like electron orbits
as for observing the brandy from the outside normal space time the brandy would appear motionless and unchanged for billions of centuries