ED Steamcharts "4,000" active players. Pathetic

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Again it's Steam stats though.

There were points in ED's history where large numbers migrated AWAY from Steam, for example when beta participation was for non-Steam owners only.

All this gets conveniently ignored when folk post their beloved unquestionable Steam stats proving the death of the game.

As do all XBox owners, and soon to be, PS4 owners.

they just ignore the fact that this numbers r wrong :)

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ABOUT STEAM CHARTS

The number of active players may be different.

But it is a huge and valid sampling.

Therefore, game stagnation (graph linearity) is real.

For comparison, see some games that have growth trend:

Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege - http://steamcharts.com/app/359550#All
Arma 3 - http://steamcharts.com/app/107410#All
Eurotruck 2 - http://steamcharts.com/app/227300#All

For a game that wants to receive updates for 10 years, stagnation is not an option.

Either it grows or it dies.

they lead to the wrong assumption cause they r wrong...
 
This is true. The ED's measured playtime on Steam is well known to be exaggerated by up to 10x. This means that a significant proportion of the concurrent players aren't actually playing, and the hence the number of concurrent players on the Steam chart is in turn greatly exaggerated.

However this doesn't invalidate comparison of across dates.
It does when you consider players may change behaviours for a vast number of reasons. Players may stop using the Steam client when they realise they do not need to use it at all, or they may stop running the ED launcher through Steam 24/7 (or a significant portion there of) for any of a number of reasons.

For example, over the last eighteen months, since approximately the start of Season 2, Steam shows:

Number of owners risen by 76%.
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I reckon at the end of Season 2 and after the PS4 launch, Frontier's best bet is to make ED free-to-play and cover the costs of running the game by selling cosmetics, weapons, ships etc. for cash.
It is already free-to-play in essence, we do not pay a subscription, only for new season features and cosmetic content. LEP owners of-course don't pay for anything more except the cosmetic stuff. FD do not need to change anything, especially if the number of "Steam" owners are have increased as much as has been indicated. Bear in mind that there are still a number of players that do not use Steam if they can avoid doing so.... which is largely the case with ED.

Overalll, Steam concurrent user statistics in the case of ED are at best a curiosity and have ZERO validity in terms of determining popularity of the title.
 
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This is why I think Frontier cannot possibly afford to continue their season model. They reported that the take-up of Season 2 was bad but there are now far fewer players left who might buy Season 3.

I reckon at the end of Season 2 and after the PS4 launch, Frontier's best bet is to make ED free-to-play and cover the costs of running the game by selling cosmetics, weapons, ships etc. for cash.

Sigh.

Again Steam stats.

This graph completely ignores that you could not participate in betas if you were using Steam. People had to literally stop using the Steam client and switch to Frontier's.

It ignores anyone NOT using Steam, and there are many reasons you might not be using Steam. For example if you're on an XBox or PS4.


If you want a measure that's as good as any, and includes non-Steam owners. (Not sure if XBox are included)

Go look at the traffic reports at stations for popular CGs. Again hugely flawed but at least it (probably) includes all players.
 
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What exactly is the point of these threads?

It allows people to play their favourite game; pretending to be accountants/statisticians/relevant. (delete as appropriate)

Sigh.

Again Steam stats.

This graph completely ignores that you could not participate in betas if you were using Steam. People had to literally stop using the Steam client and switch to Frontier's, they were forced out of Steam.

It also ignores anyone NOT using Steam, including all XBox owners.

Yeah. So it's absolutely amazing that during the period that Beta is live, the steam stats show a drop-off in the number of players down from the average of around 10,000 that it was showing up to the week before Beta. Who could possibly have predicted such an outcome. :rolleyes:

For what it's worth I don't expect them to continue the season model past 2.4 myself but not due to falling player numbers, simply because they don't seem to be especially effective at delivering (timewise I mean) within the constraints that the model imposes.
 
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https://steamspy.com/app/359320

The sales have been bouncing around within the MOE for their sampling for a while.

And please spare me another round of "its just Steam!". Steam is the largest retailer and platform for PC games in the world. It qualifies as a valid sample by any measure. And it reeks of desperation and white knighting.

and still fail to show the right numbers....

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That is not what I have said.

You are strawmanning. It is a form of logical fallacy and trolling.

If you want to participate in the discussion please do so in a constructive manner or I will report your trolling and ignore you.

and thats the way when ppl make ur point worthless....
 

JuntiFour

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It is already free-to-play in essence

No, it is play to play. You have to pay to buy the game, else you don't get to play it.

we do not pay a subscription, only for new season features and cosmetic content.

Lots of players don't pay for new season 2 content - they get plenty free in 1.X - and lots of players don't pay for cosmetic content because they don't want it.

Bear in mind that there are still a number of players that do not use Steam if they can avoid doing so.... which is largely the case with ED.

You've got some figures to back that up? Because I've seen none.

Overalll, Steam concurrent user statistics in the case of ED are at best a curiosity and have ZERO validity in terms of determining popularity of the title.

Since the majority of ED game sales are through Steam (as is clear from the Frontier reports to shareholders) then Steam sales figures have MAJOR validity in terms of determining popularity of the title.
 
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No, it is play to play. You have to pay to buy the game, else you don't get to play it.



Lots of players don't pay for new season 2 content - they get plenty free in 1.X - and lots of players don't pay for cosmetic content because they don't want it.



You've got some figures to back that up? Because I've seen none.



Since the majority of ED game sales are through Steam (as is clear from the Frontier reports to shareholders) then Steam sales figures have MAJOR validity in terms of determining popularity of the title.

u will find few ppl on this thread say they dont..but they r wrong cause isnt steam right?....and u have seen nothing that tells the truth doom preacher
 
You are strawmanning. It is a form of logical fallacy and trolling.

If you want to participate in the discussion please do so in a constructive manner or I will report your trolling and ignore you.

Ah. The famous "listen to what I say, believe all that I say, and if you don't agree with everything I say you are a troll" right?
And yes please - use the Ignore feature.
 
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Since the majority of ED game sales are through Steam (as is clear from the Frontier reports to shareholders) then Steam sales figures have MAJOR validity in terms of determining popularity of the title.

Mentioned this earlier, but I got wind of the stats (I met Ed!) at Elite Meet yesterday .. and the OP's numbers are way off. Not for me to say by how much, but best bet (for anyone) is to stay the customer.

Little less salt .. where's the blummin' pepper at anyway? (Tabasco! ... mmmm).

:rolleyes:
 
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Since the majority of ED game sales are through Steam (as is clear from the Frontier reports to shareholders) then Steam sales figures have MAJOR validity in terms of determining popularity of the title.

prove that this sales is through steam with actual numbers not half baked ones
 
Sigh.

Again Steam stats.

This graph completely ignores that you could not participate in betas if you were using Steam. People had to literally stop using the Steam client and switch to Frontier's.
The Steam launcher does not replace Frontier's launcher, it merely launches a Steam version of Frontier's launcher, the runtime of which is the only metric captured by the concurrent user statistics. That would include game update time and downloading/updating of alternative run modes, as well as Frontier launcher idle time in addition to any in-game time.

As I have said before (both in this thread and elsewhere), the Steam concurrent user stats are (at best) a poor measure of popularity of any given game... there are too many invalid assumptions being made when using the Steam statistics in that way.
 
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JuntiFour

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This graph completely ignores that you could not participate in betas if you were using Steam.

I wonder how many of the 1 million ED owners you reckon took part in betas. 20,000? 50,000?

Still that's an insignificant 5%.

It ignores anyone NOT using Steam, and there are many reasons you might not be using Steam. For example if you're on an XBox or PS4.

Yeah I think you can be pretty sure players of ED on PS4 aren't using Steam... since ED on PS4 is not even out yet.
 
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Ah. The famous "listen to what I say, believe all that I say, and if you don't agree with everything I say you are a troll" right?
And yes please - use the Ignore feature.

I'm sorry to see that you have chosen to continue to lie about what other players have said and then try to troll them.
 
I wonder how many of the 1 million ED owners you reckon took part in betas. 20,000? 50,000?

Still that's an insignificant 5%.



Yeah I think you can be pretty sure players of ED on PS4 aren't using Steam... since ED on PS4 is not even out yet.

ur steam numbers r wrong either way cause of them

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I'm sorry to see that you have chosen to continue to lie about what other players have said and then try to troll them.


the only troll here is u and ur friends useing half baked false numbers
 
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JuntiFour

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ur steam numbers r wrong wither way cause of them

Steam Spy says 991,932 ED players are registered on Steam.

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You're saying that's wrong?
 
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