I'm not quite sure how to achieve that?
I'm not quite sure how to achieve that?
Not sure how to submit a new topic (or one that I think is a new topic).
My ED id is Garyasu. I've been keeping track of certain stats in my log files since the end of October 2017.
My understanding of the Flight Log is that a yellow star is displayed when something was discovered first by me in that system.
I've been counting the yellow stars and then comparing that against the number of the increase in the "first discovered" stat.
They don't match up. Since October there is a difference of nearly 160 (in the negative) - that is, my "Systems discovered first" stat should be at least 150 more than it is.
So either:
(1) my idea of what the yellow star means is wrong (if so, what does it mean?) or
(2) the yellow stars are awarded in the flight log incorrectly (that would be if my idea of what yellow stars mean is correct) or
(3) the stat/total of "Systems discovered first" is not properly accumulated.
I have documented the differences in my log files (Garyasu).
I also have a spreadsheet in which I keep track (if anyone is interested).
My ED id is Garyasu. I've been keeping track of certain stats in my log files since the end of October 2017.
My understanding of the Flight Log is that a yellow star is displayed when something was discovered first by me in that system.
I've been counting the yellow stars and then comparing that against the number of the increase in the "first discovered" stat.
They don't match up. Since October there is a difference of nearly 160 (in the negative) - that is, my "Systems discovered first" stat should be at least 150 more than it is.
So either:
(1) my idea of what the yellow star means is wrong (if so, what does it mean?) or
(2) the yellow stars are awarded in the flight log incorrectly (that would be if my idea of what yellow stars mean is correct) or
(3) the stat/total of "Systems discovered first" is not properly accumulated.
I have documented the differences in my log files (Garyasu).
I also have a spreadsheet in which I keep track (if anyone is interested).
Can you send a screenshot please. Thx.
They should be awarded to first flight log recorded in our database, if you have a specific example to check, I'll give it a look.
reply to query about Garyasu stats
To explain my system, for a while I had a long-term goal of getting the 10K distances submitted badge. And I had established a system of saving a log for each day. I would copy certain lines from the stats shown in EDSM at the top and paste them into my new log and then manipulate them so that I could track how I was doing. I'm now 29th in Distances submitted with over 10K in submissions. During that time I also tracked the number of yellow stars that were in the Flight Log, but I started to notice that the difference from day to day in the "Systems discovered first" didn't match up to the yellow stars. If you look at my Logs (Garyasu) - I'm assuming you can do that - you will see that I've added a line that indicates whether there was a difference. I've been tracking the differences in a spreadsheet. I don't see a way to attach a spreadsheet, so I've captured the columns in a JPG that I'm going to attach. I have one column for the date, one for the number of yellow stars I've counted, one column for the actual difference from the previous day (Systems discovered first stat), and the error. I've been playing for over a year, but I've been tracking the stats since November 20, 2017. The issue may be a lack of understanding on my part of what the yellow stars mean.
I'm just finding out that there is no way for me to post a spreadsheet or a JPG.
20171217 1263 11 11 0
20171218 1262 4 -1 -5
20171220 1264 7 2 -5
20171221 1273 23 9 -14
20171222 1276 10 3 -7
So here are a few examples. On Dec 17, I had 1263 Systems first discovered (total). Then on 12/18 the Flight Log showed 4 yellow stars, but the SFDs actually went down by 1, and since I should have increased by 4 instead of decreased by 1, there was a -5 effect. Didn't play on 12/19. On 12/20 there were 7 yellow stars in the Flight Log, but the stat only increased 2, so again there was a deficit of 5. On 12/21 there were 23 yellow stars in the Flight Log, but the stat only increased by 9, so there was a deficit of 14. This was the worst stretch of deficits. But it must be averaging about 50% of my entries where there is a difference, and I've calculated that I've lost 155 since November 20. If you want more (or all) of my examples, let me know.
To explain my system, for a while I had a long-term goal of getting the 10K distances submitted badge. And I had established a system of saving a log for each day. I would copy certain lines from the stats shown in EDSM at the top and paste them into my new log and then manipulate them so that I could track how I was doing. I'm now 29th in Distances submitted with over 10K in submissions. During that time I also tracked the number of yellow stars that were in the Flight Log, but I started to notice that the difference from day to day in the "Systems discovered first" didn't match up to the yellow stars. If you look at my Logs (Garyasu) - I'm assuming you can do that - you will see that I've added a line that indicates whether there was a difference. I've been tracking the differences in a spreadsheet. I don't see a way to attach a spreadsheet, so I've captured the columns in a JPG that I'm going to attach. I have one column for the date, one for the number of yellow stars I've counted, one column for the actual difference from the previous day (Systems discovered first stat), and the error. I've been playing for over a year, but I've been tracking the stats since November 20, 2017. The issue may be a lack of understanding on my part of what the yellow stars mean.
I'm just finding out that there is no way for me to post a spreadsheet or a JPG.
20171217 1263 11 11 0
20171218 1262 4 -1 -5
20171220 1264 7 2 -5
20171221 1273 23 9 -14
20171222 1276 10 3 -7
So here are a few examples. On Dec 17, I had 1263 Systems first discovered (total). Then on 12/18 the Flight Log showed 4 yellow stars, but the SFDs actually went down by 1, and since I should have increased by 4 instead of decreased by 1, there was a -5 effect. Didn't play on 12/19. On 12/20 there were 7 yellow stars in the Flight Log, but the stat only increased 2, so again there was a deficit of 5. On 12/21 there were 23 yellow stars in the Flight Log, but the stat only increased by 9, so there was a deficit of 14. This was the worst stretch of deficits. But it must be averaging about 50% of my entries where there is a difference, and I've calculated that I've lost 155 since November 20. If you want more (or all) of my examples, let me know.
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I’m no expert but I think what you’re seeing is the effect of players importing their journals. For example let’s say you got a SFD because you were the first to enter the Rigel system on dec 18. If after that date another player imports his journal from dec 17 and he visited Rigel on that day he gets the SFD for Rigel and you loose it. Also keep in mind the SFD’s in EDSM are only telling who was the first in the ESDM-database and doesn’t have to be a first discovery in Elite. So if a player got to Rigel in 2016 but isn’t an EDSM user then the EDSM user who got to Rigel in 2017 gets the SFD in EDSM although he wasn’t the first in game.
Sometimes I enter systems where the central star was "discovered" or scanned, but many times all of the other bodies (stars, planets) are yet to be discovered. Other times there is only one (maybe two) planets to scan. Sometimes I enter systems where everything needs scanning. I'm pretty far from HB (human bubble). I play nearly every day (nearly 4600 hours). When I exit ED I will go into ED Discovery and click on the button that's the 4th from the right in one of the top rows to manually upload stats to EDSM. I do this every time I play - no exceptions. So in EDSM, I get yellow stars, and many are for systems where someone else had scanned the main star. I know that other players have sometimes gone through the system, but they are not as thorough as I am. I don't know if the moderator is going to say the same thing. If he does, I'll not dispute it.
My current goal is to get Elite in exploration. Not far to go. I stay at least 1000 LYs from the nearest station until the 1st of every month when I go back to turn in data - and then I see how far I have to go in order to stop exploration and get back to combat or trading. As I said, when I quit ED (nearly every day) I start up EDDiscovery. Then I click on the button to manually upload stats to EDSM. So I'm not turning in exploration data at a station, but my "Systems first discovered" stat goes up every day and I get yellow stars in my Flight Log. So the whole idea that I have to beat someone else to turn in my data is false.
My current goal is to get Elite in exploration. Not far to go. I stay at least 1000 LYs from the nearest station until the 1st of every month when I go back to turn in data - and then I see how far I have to go in order to stop exploration and get back to combat or trading. As I said, when I quit ED (nearly every day) I start up EDDiscovery. Then I click on the button to manually upload stats to EDSM. So I'm not turning in exploration data at a station, but my "Systems first discovered" stat goes up every day and I get yellow stars in my Flight Log. So the whole idea that I have to beat someone else to turn in my data is false.
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That’s the difference between the first discovery tag in the game and in EDSM. In the game the first to turn in the data at the station gets the tag. In EDSM you get the yellow star for a SFD if your journal shows the date you visited the system is the first. But if another player uploads his journals only once a week and not, like you do, everyday, and his journal shows he was at that system before you than he gets the yellow star and you loose it.
Date Total Stars Diff Error -155
20171121 1137 6 5 -1
20171122 1146 10 9 -1
20171206 1187 10 9 -1
20171209 1208 17 15 -2
20171213 1214 1 1 0
20171214 1234 21 20 -1
20171215 1241 8 7 -1
20171218 1262 4 -1 -5
20171220 1264 7 2 -5
20171221 1273 23 9 -14
20171222 1276 10 3 -7
20171228 1295 12 10 -2
20171229 1299 6 4 -2
20171230 1310 12 11 -1
20180102 1320 8 2 -6
20180109 1387 10 9 -1
20180115 1434 5 4 -1
20180116 1443 11 9 -2
20180117 1451 11 8 -3
20180119 1468 10 8 -2
20180120 1474 7 6 -1
20180121 1485 12 11 -1
20180122 1491 8 6 -2
20180123 1500 12 9 -3
20180125 1519 14 12 -2
20180127 1526 8 7 -1
20180128 1547 25 21 -4
20180131 1568 12 9 -3
20180201 1572 6 4 -2
20180202 1579 11 7 -4
20180203 1582 7 3 -4
20180206 1596 2 1 -1
20180207 1604 9 8 -1
20180209 1629 16 12 -4
20180210 1629 2 0 -2
20180211 1631 4 2 -2
20180213 1635 9 4 -5
20180214 1646 13 11 -2
20180217 1660 2 1 -1
20180218 1670 12 10 -2
20180220 1669 0 -1 -1
20180221 1669 1 0 -1
20180223 1673 1 0 -1
20180304 1699 9 7 -2
20180305 1702 4 3 -1
20180309 1713 9 4 -5
20180311 1716 3 2 -1
20180312 1717 2 1 -1
20180318 1717 0 -1 -1
20180321 1718 1 0 -1
20180324 1720 0 -1 -1
20180325 1724 5 4 -1
20180326 1722 1 -2 -3
20180328 1741 7 6 -1
20180331 1746 8 -2 -10
20180402 1765 14 12 -2
20180404 1784 12 10 -2
20180409 1793 12 9 -3
20180412 1801 3 2 -1
20180415 1824 15 14 -1
20180417 1853 15 13 -2
20171121 1137 6 5 -1
20171122 1146 10 9 -1
20171206 1187 10 9 -1
20171209 1208 17 15 -2
20171213 1214 1 1 0
20171214 1234 21 20 -1
20171215 1241 8 7 -1
20171218 1262 4 -1 -5
20171220 1264 7 2 -5
20171221 1273 23 9 -14
20171222 1276 10 3 -7
20171228 1295 12 10 -2
20171229 1299 6 4 -2
20171230 1310 12 11 -1
20180102 1320 8 2 -6
20180109 1387 10 9 -1
20180115 1434 5 4 -1
20180116 1443 11 9 -2
20180117 1451 11 8 -3
20180119 1468 10 8 -2
20180120 1474 7 6 -1
20180121 1485 12 11 -1
20180122 1491 8 6 -2
20180123 1500 12 9 -3
20180125 1519 14 12 -2
20180127 1526 8 7 -1
20180128 1547 25 21 -4
20180131 1568 12 9 -3
20180201 1572 6 4 -2
20180202 1579 11 7 -4
20180203 1582 7 3 -4
20180206 1596 2 1 -1
20180207 1604 9 8 -1
20180209 1629 16 12 -4
20180210 1629 2 0 -2
20180211 1631 4 2 -2
20180213 1635 9 4 -5
20180214 1646 13 11 -2
20180217 1660 2 1 -1
20180218 1670 12 10 -2
20180220 1669 0 -1 -1
20180221 1669 1 0 -1
20180223 1673 1 0 -1
20180304 1699 9 7 -2
20180305 1702 4 3 -1
20180309 1713 9 4 -5
20180311 1716 3 2 -1
20180312 1717 2 1 -1
20180318 1717 0 -1 -1
20180321 1718 1 0 -1
20180324 1720 0 -1 -1
20180325 1724 5 4 -1
20180326 1722 1 -2 -3
20180328 1741 7 6 -1
20180331 1746 8 -2 -10
20180402 1765 14 12 -2
20180404 1784 12 10 -2
20180409 1793 12 9 -3
20180412 1801 3 2 -1
20180415 1824 15 14 -1
20180417 1853 15 13 -2
I'm in a location where there are no other players at this time. My friends and I have checked.
I'm not really concerned with whether I get credit in ED.
I'm interested in possibly getting into the record page for first discoveries, and if I'm missing 155 or more in my stats, it's holding me back.
When I load the log files into EDSM through EDDiscovery, I get a certain number of yellow stars in Flight Log in ESDM, but that number is not reflected in the First Discovered stats in ESDM.
When I go back and count the yellow stars in previous days, the number is still the same, so I don't "loose" anything.
As I said, no one is near me, so no one can steal a stat from me.
I'm not really concerned with whether I get credit in ED.
I'm interested in possibly getting into the record page for first discoveries, and if I'm missing 155 or more in my stats, it's holding me back.
When I load the log files into EDSM through EDDiscovery, I get a certain number of yellow stars in Flight Log in ESDM, but that number is not reflected in the First Discovered stats in ESDM.
When I go back and count the yellow stars in previous days, the number is still the same, so I don't "loose" anything.
As I said, no one is near me, so no one can steal a stat from me.
I think we are repeating ourselves so one final example. Let’s say you have a yellow star for Rigel because you visited it yesterday and, according to the EDSM database, no other EDSM user visited it before yesterday. Than you lookup Rigel in the EDSM database and it says you were the first to discover it for EDSM on april 20th 2018.
Another player, playerX, started playing ED at the end of 2015 and only found out about EDSM and EDDiscovery today. He installs EDDiscovery and imports all of his logs/journals from when he started in 2015 until now and than sends them to EDSM. He’s nowhere near the location at this time but happened to be at Rigel on februari 1st 2016. Now after this when you look up Rigel it will say playerX was the first to discover it for EDSM on feb 1st 2016.
So, to make it clear although you’re not interested if you get credit in ED or not, EDSM takes the date a player visited a star into account when tagging it’s first discoverer while ED takes the date the exploration data was sold as first discovery date. So if playerX lost his ship before selling the data on Rigel he won’t get the first discovery tag in ED but he will in EDSM.
Another player, playerX, started playing ED at the end of 2015 and only found out about EDSM and EDDiscovery today. He installs EDDiscovery and imports all of his logs/journals from when he started in 2015 until now and than sends them to EDSM. He’s nowhere near the location at this time but happened to be at Rigel on februari 1st 2016. Now after this when you look up Rigel it will say playerX was the first to discover it for EDSM on feb 1st 2016.
So, to make it clear although you’re not interested if you get credit in ED or not, EDSM takes the date a player visited a star into account when tagging it’s first discoverer while ED takes the date the exploration data was sold as first discovery date. So if playerX lost his ship before selling the data on Rigel he won’t get the first discovery tag in ED but he will in EDSM.
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@ J Calvert
First, it would be good to know if you are just a player chiming in - or if you are part of the ED (or EDSM) support team. At no point have you stated your status. I reported the situation to the EDSM support group (at least that's what I think I did when I posted to the forum). I got an answer from the moderator that it would be looked into. Are you giving the answer from the support group? Or are you just chiming in?
Second, I pretty much knew everything you're saying. And you seem to be focused on ED.
I posted all the dates where this has happened to me. That's a lot of dates. I would agree with you about this theory of yours if it only happened a few times, but the fact that it has happened to me 50+ times since sometime in November indicates to me that there may be a software defect. I don't believe that any software is perfect. They're always releasing updates and fixes.
First, it would be good to know if you are just a player chiming in - or if you are part of the ED (or EDSM) support team. At no point have you stated your status. I reported the situation to the EDSM support group (at least that's what I think I did when I posted to the forum). I got an answer from the moderator that it would be looked into. Are you giving the answer from the support group? Or are you just chiming in?
Second, I pretty much knew everything you're saying. And you seem to be focused on ED.
I posted all the dates where this has happened to me. That's a lot of dates. I would agree with you about this theory of yours if it only happened a few times, but the fact that it has happened to me 50+ times since sometime in November indicates to me that there may be a software defect. I don't believe that any software is perfect. They're always releasing updates and fixes.
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Your stats and description sounds like some of the systems you are travelling through you have traveled through in the past. In this case, each additional visit of a system will have a star on it, but it won't increase the number of systems you have discovered.
The negative differences suggest that another player has submitted old logs that predate your first visit to one or more systems. EDSM takes the first discovery as the earliest FSDJump submitted to EDSM for a system, which is not necessarily the first FSDJump submitted to EDSM.
On some stars you have no star for in EDSM yet there is no tag on the main star, note that many people don't scan the main star, and so won't get the tag on the system's arrival star. Occasionally, commanders will lose their ship, whether by crash landing on a planet, overheating too many times, or being jumped by a pirate while returning to inhabited space, losing their Universal Cartographics data, and so while any logs they have submitted to EDSM would have them as the first discoverer, they would not get tags to bodies they have scanned during that voyage.
I'm just a simple user trying to be helpful. I think the first line in my first reply ("I’m no expert but I think what you’re seeing is...") made that clear but obviously that wasn't clear enough.
So to make it clear: i'm in no way involved in the development of EDSM apart from being a supporter and making a small suggestion now and then.
Your post wasn't clear that it was only meant for the developer of EDSM, Anthornet, but even if it were, that's no guarantee only the developer will answer. Just check the rest of this forum. If people only reacted to questions that were directed directly to them I think the forum would be only about 10% of it's current size (and, before you start on that, I'm just a forum user so have no hard numbers to back that up)
I'm glad to read you almost knew everything I said but I only brought up the differences between ED and EDSM regarding the way first discoveries are handled so that doesn't seem like I'm focused on ED to me.
Taking into account that about 60 million flights are in the EDSM logs now I don't think the 50+ (or 155) differences you mentioned speak against my theory but of course it could indeed be a bug in the EDSM software.
So we'll just have to wait for Anthornet to look into it.
Thanks for the info.
Are there any measures in place to prevent cheating? It seems to me that it would be trivial to alter the date stamps in a journal file.
There doesn't seem to be any checksum and a global search and replace on a date would be all it would take.
I'm not going to try it to see if it would work but I'd feel better knowing it wasn't that easy.
That's why I think it should be the first person to send to EDSM. If new players weren't using EDSM in the past, that's on them.
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