There was this report: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...ld-rebalance-information.611830/post-10030243 . Looks like it will be slower than before. Adding insult to injury, and all that. But let's wait how it really turns out in the end, I bet FDev will continue to fiddle with it in the next week(s).
Elite Dangerous Exobiology Rank Threshold Rebalance Information
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I hope you are right however
seems to indicate it's back like it was.
Immediately prior to update 14 I was about half way through Salad Elite III, steadily working my way through the ranks as I wandered about the galaxy. My feeling was that the rate of progression could be doubled & it would still be okay. I don't care massively about the cash but I can certainly see that massively increasing the payout would encourage more players to do it, it's not really an engaging activity in it's own right imo, just something else to do while out in the black (which I am happy to have more of, I'm looking forward to being able to land on more planets in future DLCs).
I didn't save any bio data to sell after update 14, I cleared my cache so my legacy cmdr wouldn't be left with some I was unable to sell/tag.
In my first session after update 14 I sold data gathered from a couple of systems & it took me from half way through Elite III to half way through Elite IV. My second session took my to Salad Elite V, end of the road. Over those two sessions I gathered an amount that would have barely moved the progress bar pre-update 14.
I don't mind that it pays more although the amount does seem excessive to me it certainly seems to have had the effect of encouraging more players to give it a go.
With update 14.01 I am still at Elite V, but left with the impression that I have not really earned that based on the previous 18 months or so of steady progression.
I don't really care about the money personally, I can see that many will not want to have that extra taken back from their savegame (if nothing else they may have already spent it) & I certainly don't think it was an exploit but I do care a bit about feeling I earned that rank.
So if nothing else changes, well hey I'm maxed out, mission accomplished & I'll carry on doing it because I quite like it & more money is more money.
But it seems like I'm not actually Elite V, and because that's the max I'm never going to know when I 'properly' earn it because there will be no future point where progress resumes for me.
So because I'm now maxed out at Elite V I'd like the game to show my 'actual' rank instead, whatever it is.
Call it closure if that helps but not knowing post-14.01 is a bit frustrating.
I didn't save any bio data to sell after update 14, I cleared my cache so my legacy cmdr wouldn't be left with some I was unable to sell/tag.
In my first session after update 14 I sold data gathered from a couple of systems & it took me from half way through Elite III to half way through Elite IV. My second session took my to Salad Elite V, end of the road. Over those two sessions I gathered an amount that would have barely moved the progress bar pre-update 14.
I don't mind that it pays more although the amount does seem excessive to me it certainly seems to have had the effect of encouraging more players to give it a go.
With update 14.01 I am still at Elite V, but left with the impression that I have not really earned that based on the previous 18 months or so of steady progression.
I don't really care about the money personally, I can see that many will not want to have that extra taken back from their savegame (if nothing else they may have already spent it) & I certainly don't think it was an exploit but I do care a bit about feeling I earned that rank.
So if nothing else changes, well hey I'm maxed out, mission accomplished & I'll carry on doing it because I quite like it & more money is more money.
But it seems like I'm not actually Elite V, and because that's the max I'm never going to know when I 'properly' earn it because there will be no future point where progress resumes for me.
So because I'm now maxed out at Elite V I'd like the game to show my 'actual' rank instead, whatever it is.
Call it closure if that helps but not knowing post-14.01 is a bit frustrating.
You could wait until the progression scale is known again, then check your bio-exo credit stats. That way your "virtual" rank could be determined.
Yeah I guess. Thinking maybe I should raise a ticket with support & ask them to just put me back to Elite III & a half and I can just carry on from there at whatever the new progression rate is. I am only interested in my own rank, not forcing everyone's rank to be reset.
I suspect that they do care. What we are talking about here is a difference of opinion and not an excuse to question Frontier's integrity. The developers are good people with tremendous love and enthusiasm for this game they have made and will be working to deadlines and pressures that we know nothing of.
With that out of the way, Your point about quantity of species is a good one, it is possible to get Exo V by just scanning a single species multiple times yet you could scan one of every species would earn you less than a billion which would not be sufficiemt to get you to Exo Elite V.
That said Scanning all of them is a massive undertaking if that were a pre-requisite of Exo Elite V would make the route to Exo Elite unobtainable for all bu the most dedicated explorers.
A story first before my comments on the recent changes to Exobiology. Four years ago, I bought a new Highlander. I had considered the dealer's offer on a 2018 Highlander for a day, so I called to confirm they still had the vehicle and that the deal was still good. They said yes, so I said I would be there that night to buy the Highlander. When I arrived , they discovered that the 2018 Highlander had been sold. They admitted their error and said they would sell me the 2019 version of the 2018 model I was going to buy for the same price. That dealer won a customer for life, because they put the customer first.
Now to the issue at hand. I track my progress in Elite Dangerous very carefully. Each day I record the rank progress from my log file. I also record the time spent doing ranking up from my log files. Before Patch 14, I was Elite with 37% progress toward Elite 1. Progress was very slow. I had not done much Exobiology rank work because it was such a grind. When I saw the notice of new payouts I decided to try exo again. I advanced quickly because of the new payouts. I thought that exobiology had gone from the slowest to the fastest advancement overnight. In just two days I advanced to Elite 3 with 37% toward Elite 4.
Then the door was slammed in my face. The payouts remained at the new level, but the targets were raised proportionate to the new payouts. Even though I still show as Elite 3 with 0% progess toward Elite 4, this change has moved me back to a Cataloguer with about 75% progress toward Geneticist. Based on my time records It will take me 115 hours to regain the rank I had before Patch 14 was released. It will take another 175 hours to get to what I thought was my rank before the ranking values were raised.
The error made by not raising the rank requirements was compounded by the latest patch. A case could be made for discounting the progress made after patch 14. However, it is patently unfair to discount progress made before the patch was in place.
Comparing the Frontier solution for their error to my experience with the car dealer puts Frontier in a very bad light. Players should not lose progress because of a programming error. It would be much better to have all Vista Genomics sales prior to the patch revalued to the current rates This would still cause some loss of rank for those that did exo during the patch 14 fiasco. To mitigate the rank that loss, the exo rank levels could be reduced by perhaps 30% to 50%. A 30% reduction in the rank levels would cause me to lose my progress toward Elite 4 , but I would still be Elite 3 in reality. For those that had more progress during Patch 14, a 50% reduction might be required. FOr those that did no exo after Patch 14, it would be a bonus because they would get an increase in exo rank. This would have the added benefit of making the exobiology grind be more in line with the other pursuits for the future.
This might put some extra work on the Frontier Developers, but it would be the better outcome because they put the customer first.
Now to the issue at hand. I track my progress in Elite Dangerous very carefully. Each day I record the rank progress from my log file. I also record the time spent doing ranking up from my log files. Before Patch 14, I was Elite with 37% progress toward Elite 1. Progress was very slow. I had not done much Exobiology rank work because it was such a grind. When I saw the notice of new payouts I decided to try exo again. I advanced quickly because of the new payouts. I thought that exobiology had gone from the slowest to the fastest advancement overnight. In just two days I advanced to Elite 3 with 37% toward Elite 4.
Then the door was slammed in my face. The payouts remained at the new level, but the targets were raised proportionate to the new payouts. Even though I still show as Elite 3 with 0% progess toward Elite 4, this change has moved me back to a Cataloguer with about 75% progress toward Geneticist. Based on my time records It will take me 115 hours to regain the rank I had before Patch 14 was released. It will take another 175 hours to get to what I thought was my rank before the ranking values were raised.
The error made by not raising the rank requirements was compounded by the latest patch. A case could be made for discounting the progress made after patch 14. However, it is patently unfair to discount progress made before the patch was in place.
Comparing the Frontier solution for their error to my experience with the car dealer puts Frontier in a very bad light. Players should not lose progress because of a programming error. It would be much better to have all Vista Genomics sales prior to the patch revalued to the current rates This would still cause some loss of rank for those that did exo during the patch 14 fiasco. To mitigate the rank that loss, the exo rank levels could be reduced by perhaps 30% to 50%. A 30% reduction in the rank levels would cause me to lose my progress toward Elite 4 , but I would still be Elite 3 in reality. For those that had more progress during Patch 14, a 50% reduction might be required. FOr those that did no exo after Patch 14, it would be a bonus because they would get an increase in exo rank. This would have the added benefit of making the exobiology grind be more in line with the other pursuits for the future.
This might put some extra work on the Frontier Developers, but it would be the better outcome because they put the customer first.
Yes...so here exist another idea. Exobiology based on xp points, where each next sample of one species- smaller amount of points. Ok, it could be to much. Maybe after example 20 samples of 1 thing it could give less point.
But since everything is about money we can only observe inara badges, because even their requirements are more interesting to track
Bacteria can be hard to find and yet the prices are generally very low but it does depend on species, top payout is 13 million.
Why would you spend a whole day searching for bacteria? I would just move on and pretty soon you would find a planet with stratum tectonicas and quickly pick up a cool 40 million.
I've made a billion in the last 3 days without even trying.
Making good money trading involves knowing what you are doing. The same is true of exo-biology. If you know what to look for and how to do it efficiently, it will reliably bring in money faster than anything but wing trade missions. Now, granted, I'm not complaining about the current level of returns, but if it was too much higher I probably would be as overall different professions should be balanced and honestly, about 100-200 million an hour is a pretty decent rate for this game to avoid progressing too fast while also not having anything (even fleet carrier ownership) being overly burdensome as long as you are playing for even a couple hours a month.
I did foresee this happening. But it is what it is now.
Why not let the people just have fun with their new ranks and let it be? In the history of Elite there have been so many gold rushes in other ranks that earned CMDRs quick ranks before a nerf was placed. Let it be.
I think, that your sample "one planet" is incorrect.
Fact that few times I searched something more than 1 hour (ye, it wasn't about money, I took it personally, "ok planet, I WILL FIND YOUR SECRETS") doesnt change fact, that usually I can complete samples of a lot of different species in 10 minutes.
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Fact, that we had goldrushes doesnt mean, that new goldrushes are good thing
"years ago we had random rolls, where next roll could be worse than current, so bad engineering in odyssey isn't problem". This is your logic
There is a chance that with the new ranking, you'd be somewhere at Elite1 or even under.
IF you really want to find out, you can indeed ask them to have your displayed rank match your "experience" gains
You thought ED was about having fun in a game? Tststs.
In a way, ED as a game is just the platform for a much more sophisticated meta-game: salt-mining. Everybody is involved. Players, forum-dwellers, developers, press, even bystanders like family-members of players. It is all about finding tactics how you can get salt from the other participants.
* This is satire.
My own issue, even tho i dont need rank nor credits, is the way this was handled - as in reversing people progress and not matching their pre U14 progress with the new rank thresholds
Wait, what?! If those numbers are correct, that's simply ludicrous.
13.2 billion credits to become Elite? That's not in line with the other professions at all.
How does this always happen when Frontier tries to balance something.
Glad I got it out of the way before the rebalance lol.Wait, what?! If those numbers are correct, that's simply ludicrous.
13.2 billion credits to become Elite? That's not in line with the other professions at all.
How does this always happen when Frontier tries to balance something.
I thought, that is is about crazy grind 25/8, and after it saying "I hate grind, but I have to grind to have 10.001 hp instead 10.000
Even this thread is evidence- one of main isses is...rank which give few cosmetic things to suits. Oh, and bragging rights.
It only shows, how broken is new exobiology.13.2 billion credits to become Elite? That's not in line with the other professions at all.
How does this always happen when Frontier tries to balance something.
Because 1 billion, like in trade could require FEW good planets XD