Modes Elite: Dangerous from fresh player's perspective

[Jockey79]

Its already been established by Sandro there is higher risk in open compared to others and in this case not equal.

It's already been established by someone higher than Sandro that all modes are equal.

What's you point?

Is there planned to be any defense against the possibility that player created minor factions could be destroyed with no possible recourse through Private Groups or Solo play?

From the initial inception of the game we have considered all play modes are equally valid choices. While we are aware that some players disagree, this hasn't changed for us.

Michael

 

[Mohrgan]

As long as they give me the chance to defend our player factions BGS Systems Via PVP. And the players that are in other modes are operating at a lesser reward for the lesser risk. Im totally fine any additions they add to the game.

Otherwise they can add anything they want.

People shouldnt be able to flip a system without me being able to defend against it VIA PVP. And if they are still able to and they dont want to remove content from someone else. Then the reward factor for the lesser risk should be smaller in %'s.

And anything an open player does is rewarded.

Sometimes you may never see anyone else at all. But the fact remains, you still have the chance to be stopped. Simple attack and defend stuff via PVP.

How they do it is "Beyond" Me. Pun intended.



Will you stop already. None of this makes sense with the risks and rewards here. Its already been established by Sandro there is higher risk in open compared to others and in this case not equal.

Your choice to operate in a given mode overrides mine? Why should that be? If you find open too hard to compete in, you only have to use your mouse to solve your problem. You, and everyone, has equal access to all of the game's mechanics. Use them as you please. Just stop insinuating there is some fairness issue between the modes. Fairness is ensured by universal access to all of the content available.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

It's already been established by someone higher than Sandro that all modes are equal.

What's you point?

Psst. Hes not working on Elite anymore.

And even if he was, dont get me wrong I respect the guy.

But games change man.

And the reward is equal. The risks are not. WHich is what has been established. And rewards usually follow suit.

 

[Mohrgan]

Psst. Hes not working on Elite anymore.

And even if he was, dont get me wrong I respect the guy.

But games change man.

And the reward is equal. The risks are not. WHich is what has been established. And rewards usually follow suit.

The possible risk of facing more risk is not worth paying for. Let actually facing PvP opposition confer a reward. Give players that do engage, win or lose, in PvP, 'vouchers' that can be applied to PP or BGS influence. That kind of approach doesn't incentivize any mode, nor restrict access to content for those not interested in PvP. By anyone's standards that has to be a win-win approach.

 

[Powderpanic]

It's already been established by someone higher than Sandro that all modes are equal.

What's you point?

ALL MODES ARE EQUAL!!

EXCEPT SOLO, BECAUSE IT HASNT GOT MULTICREW OR WINGS OR THE ABILITY TO USE WING MISSIONS ( as the were intented .. Ie as a wing
GO TEAM SPORTS )

SO ALL MODES ARE NOT EQUAL

#SCIENCE

Figured I would go with capitals, it makes it easier to understand.

Maybe want to update your wall of "someone said it once, so is Gospel" ?

Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

ALL MODES ARE EQUAL!!

EXCEPT SOLO, BECAUSE IT HASNT GOT MULTICREW OR WINGS OR THE ABILITY TO USE WING MISSIONS ( as the were intented .. Ie as a wing
GO TEAM SPORTS )

SO ALL MODES ARE NOT EQUAL

#SCIENCE

Figured I would go with capitals, it makes it easier to understand.

Maybe want to update your wall of "someone said it once, so is Gospel" ?

Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing

No reason to update the wall. Its falling apart.

No different than the hotel is burning down.

 

[Powderpanic]

No reason to update the wall. Its falling apart.

No different than the hotel is burning down.

Your avatar reminds me very much of this

[video=youtube;1TtGQnyPZ6g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TtGQnyPZ6g[/video]

Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing

 

[Jockey79]

Psst. Hes not working on Elite anymore.

And even if he was, dont get me wrong I respect the guy.

But games change man.

And the reward is equal. The risks are not. WHich is what has been established. And rewards usually follow suit.

Michaels quotes are just as valid as the old Sandro quotes you keep talking about.

Now if you want to exclude old quotes, then Sandro said something fun not long ago, I have the video clip if you want it.

ALL MODES ARE EQUAL!!

EXCEPT SOLO, BECAUSE IT HASNT GOT MULTICREW OR WINGS OR THE ABILITY TO USE WING MISSIONS ( as the were intented .. Ie as a wing
GO TEAM SPORTS )

SO ALL MODES ARE NOT EQUAL

#SCIENCE

Figured I would go with capitals, it makes it easier to understand.

Maybe want to update your wall of "someone said it once, so is Gospel" ?

Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing

Frontier have not just said it "once" though have they, they've said it since 2012 and keep saying it.
Which is the point of The Wall of Information.

Frontier have answered the "Open Only" PvP / Griefer crowd, the answer was a big fat;

No.

No reason to update the wall. Its falling apart.

No different than the hotel is burning down.

You wish, but as you have to keep lying it shows just how solid The Wall of Information is.

After all, I didn't need photoshop for my evidence, unlike your Discord post.

 

[Mouse]

There is no way to do this, WIthout some limitations.

My first example kind of meets in the middle. And thats addressing the risk and reward per mode, As well as acknowledging it as we all do.

We know Open is more dangerous.

So reward open by changing nothing.

Reduce the amount of influence able to be taken and done within the other modes by 75%. Since there is obviously less risk involved.

Personal gain, such as materials and credits would stay the same per mission. But the Influence and impacts done within each mode would change.

People still get to participate in this case. Nothing gets taken away and they still get be a part of their group. But with the understand with the modes chosen and the risk involved. Their impact wouldnt be the same as someone taking the higher risk against someone like me.

No one is being punished or taken anything away from them. Its just acknowledging risk and reward.

You know 90 you remind me of Julie Hagerty's character Elaine inson in Airplane II as she talks to the passengers telling them everything ok... the sign above her flashes exactly what you are expelling with this crap.

All the WOW crap, all the attempts to claim ED needs to change to remain viable... and all the smoke screen of making the game better just to admit your true intentions. Nuking the other modes, stripping the balance of the game, to make the mode YOU want everyone in the "premier" server and the only one that really counts in the ED universe.

You have expressed your hate of the mode system from the beginning and you keep pushing blindly to attempt to drastically alter the game we love just so you don't have to admit your mistake of buying a game that wasn't what you thought it was.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Michaels quotes are just as valid as the old Sandro quotes you keep talking about.

Now if you want to exclude old quotes, then Sandro said something fun not long ago, I have the video clip if you want it.



Frontier have not just said it "once" though have they, they've said it since 2012 and keep saying it.
Which is the point of The Wall of Information.

Frontier have answered the "Open Only" PvP / Griefer crowd, the answer was a big fat;

No.



You wish, but as you have to keep lying it shows just how solid The Wall of Information is.

After all, I didn't need photoshop for my evidence, unlike your Discord post.

LOL. Messages can be deleted. And the only thing edited was the names for the sake of witch hunting.

But hey believe whatcha want.

The walls been busted for quite sometime now.

 

[Jockey79]

LOL. Messages can be deleted. And the only thing edited was the names for the sake of witch hunting.

But hey believe whatcha want.

The walls been busted for quite sometime now.

The only thing busted was you, after a few of us checked that Discord server history.

Everything you've provided so far is fake or just your mates opinions, and tbh I don't have time for outright lies.
I'll let the others debunk whatever new stuff you make up.

Because until Frontier do or say something that breaks The Wall of Information, you have nothing.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

The only thing busted was you, after a few of us checked that Discord server history.

Everything you've provided so far is fake or just your mates opinions, and tbh I don't have time for outright lies.
I'll let the others debunk whatever new stuff you make up.

Because until Frontier do or say something that breaks The Wall of Information, you have nothing.

I mean you guys can check it all youd like. That screenshot was legit. Things got deleted since then. Trust me we seen it too lol. But whats missing is not the issue im worried about. They were better off removing the stuff about the BGS. Rather than getting them in front of the guns part. But hey, to each their own. o7o7

 

[Mouse]

I mean you guys can check it all youd like. That screenshot was legit. Things got deleted since then. Trust me we seen it too lol. But whats missing is not the issue im worried about. They were better off removing the stuff about the BGS. Rather than getting them in front of the guns part. But hey, to each their own. o7o7

Nice try to legitimizing what wasn't there but photo shopped in. But hey.. if you can't win by shoving horse manure down peoples throat then alt-facts are a way to try also isn't it.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Nice try to legitimizing what wasn't there but photo shopped in. But hey.. if you can't win by shoving horse manure down peoples throat then alt-facts are a way to try also isn't it.

Lol. I like how you guys are on this crusade about editing. I can edit but not that good lol.

oh well.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

WE FEAR CHANGE!

Nailed it.

Indeed. You've been posting the exact same argument and been downplaying any new ideas for months. You're stuck on one idea. One idea on an old mechanic.

While those who embrace change have been opting new ideas. New mechanics.

There's a Winston Churchill quote about fanatics that applies here. Won't change his mind, won't change the subject. Since you've been bringing the same old weary ideas again and again, even unsollicited in threads that had explicitely different topics, I feel it applies.

Or, as you said, nailed it.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Indeed. You've been posting the exact same argument and been downplaying any new ideas for months. You're stuck on one idea. One idea on an old mechanic.

While those who embrace change have been opting new ideas. New mechanics.

There's a Winston Churchill quote about fanatics that applies here. Won't change his mind, won't change the subject. Since you've been bringing the same old weary ideas again and again, even unsollicited in threads that had explicitely different topics, I feel it applies.

Or, as you said, nailed it.

All for new mechanics. But old mechanics would have to change to reflect on new mechanics as far as flipping player systems and what not.

 

[Mouse]

Lol. I like how you guys are on this crusade about editing. I can edit but not that good lol.

oh well.

Interesting thing on that... if someone HAD said what you claim was aid with your edit... why delete it? What purpose would it have served especially since you had a "picture" of it. There is none... Yet, if I remember correctly, you claimed to have flown in Mobius, have access to their discord, you blurred all the names, were careful to not sure your avatar, you are the one trying to prove "nefarious" things in Mobius, things not found... yet claim they deleted it when you are proven wrong.

IF... and that is a very big IF.. it was deleted there is only 2 reasons I can see for it being deleted...

You yourself made the posts to take a picture of and fabricate nefarious intentions then deleted them yourself

or

They removed you and deleted your comments because they knew you were a troll.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Interesting thing on that... if someone HAD said what you claim was aid with your edit... why delete it? What purpose would it have served especially since you had a "picture" of it. There is none... Yet, if I remember correctly, you claimed to have flown in Mobius, have access to their discord, you blurred all the names, were careful to not sure your avatar, you are the one trying to prove "nefarious" things in Mobius, things not found... yet claim they deleted it when you are proven wrong.

IF... and that is a very big IF.. it was deleted there is only 2 reasons I can see for it being deleted...

You yourself made the posts to take a picture of and fabricate nefarious intentions then deleted them yourself

or

They removed you and deleted your comments because they knew you were a troll.

They removed the deleted comments because I posted it here and they knew about it. There was a big blow up about the video I made too on facebook. Plus were still being attacked by MCRN guys, SOme even created a splinter group because what they wanted to do went against mobius rules.

But hey thats fine.

They are still losing. All they are doing is wasting time

Weve had one guy attacking us for almost a year now. And another group of people attacking us for 6 months straight.

They are ganking themselves at this point. Were just going along Business as usual.

Also, most of those guys are good sports. Its just a few.

 

[Slopey]

Thanks for everyone's participation in this topic, which has now run its course.

Have a great day!