Modes Elite: Dangerous from fresh player's perspective

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Yep the modes existed because people wanted the solo part of the game. And others wanted a mutliplayer style of the game. Purely optional. And agreeable at launch.

The BGS back then is different than it is now. People and groups started picking places and calling them home.

As a matter of fact player factions didint exist.

They were purely meant for farming tools, trade and so forth. When people started calling them home. They recognized that and expanded on what was a good idea here. And gave people names and attachments to their homes.

The game evolved into that.

Yes BGS was a core element at launch. But player factions and homes were not.

As that part evolved the rest of it must catch up when new things are added. As with any game. Its what balancing is all about.

People signed up for a solo/co-op. They listened to the people because they really are building the game around the community. Then ya'll got slapped in the face with a multiplayer game because of the additions for the players.

Its like back when Sandro Acknowledged the imbalance of the modes. Offered to change something about them. People threw a fit and said they arent ready for it yet basically.

Now, even maynard agrees there needs to be some sort of change. Even if something is added new over the top of it.

Again, im working with what we have Now. Whats available and what we see.

They could very well add something different for Squadrons and player faction.

You see Sandro drops hints all the time.

Especially when he talks about powerplay, things like "Currently in the live build you can do it" And it had to do with what was going on with cops and how they had to fudge the crime response for players. "Thats what powerplay was meant to be for consensual PVP" As in, you know what you're signing up for. Not oh well if I just pick this mode i get to chose whether I get shot it. That ruined the whole design of it. I think we can all pretty much agree thats why it got ruined and its used for module hopping.

Anyways, BGS was indeed a core element of the game. ANd it was made for the single player and co-op player when the game was first released. But the moment they injected player factions into the game. All that changed.

This is pretty much a timeline of events thats happened here. Its the best way to explain it so people get it.

Most here arent really involved in that stuff. So they really dont care.

Thats okay. Not even worried about it. I have plenty of other outlets I can express this at. I like coming here because I can write all this stuff down because I know they will see it. They read everything.

They know what I am saying. They see their own numbers. And they experience stuff first hand.

Its like the credit exploits thing. They know how much money is being generated, they know how many people take objectives and what builds they use. They know who PVP's and who BGS's What happens, with player groups and so on.

I really dont have to prove anything you guys specifically. I do like back and forth though. It helps to get a point across.

If I had no points to make. If I had no experience like when I first started this game. I wouldnt be able to say any of this stuff. But now I do. And I can show it and talk about it all day.

I just dont rehash a biased piece of information and call it a wall thats now OBSOLETE because of updated game mechanics and changes over the years.

Anyways hope that clears it up.

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Umm, this has the premise that player factions are a cornerstone in ED which is not true. I'd probably have never noticed them unless I did active research on the internet. I also want to point out that the only difference between standard factions and player factions is their origin but as a matter of fact, they are literally as important as any other faction.
 
Umm, this has the premise that player factions are a cornerstone in ED which is not true. I'd probably have never noticed them unless I did active research on the internet. I also want to point out that the only difference between standard factions and player factions is their origin but as a matter of fact, they are literally as important as any other faction.

You can’t say that out loud! They don’t want to hear that their faction is not more viable than every other faction.

Prt Scrn key, paste in MS Paint and upload to Imgur - then link us :D

Oh I’ve got screen grabs. And not doctored ones like 90s posts.
 
Umm, this has the premise that player factions are a cornerstone in ED which is not true. I'd probably have never noticed them unless I did active research on the internet. I also want to point out that the only difference between standard factions and player factions is their origin but as a matter of fact, they are literally as important as any other faction.

It can potentially make a difference when you wanna flip bgs. An npc faction should be easy enough, but a pmf may put up (a lot) more resistance.
 
It can potentially make a difference when you wanna flip bgs. An npc faction should be easy enough, but a pmf may put up (a lot) more resistance.

That's just because some players will act against your effords. I could get a group of people to endorse an NPC faction and it'd behave exactly as a player faction in that altering it would be harder than a relatively unknown NPC faction but in reality both abide the same rules.
 
Looks like someone got caught at fabricating propaganda...

Why am I not surprised?

If I were anyone associated with this particular person, I'd definitely be denouncing and disassociating myself from them at this moment.
 
This whole conversation is starting to remind me of a situation I had to deal with about 15 years ago. I won’t say what, because nothing derails a thread faster than religion or politics, and this involved both, but 90’s has been using all the tactics the other side used: quote mining, ignoring uncomfortable facts, bringing up “facts” contrary to common experience, holding contradictory positions, and frequently declaring themselves the “winner.”

The forum I used to hone my arguments before having to do it in a situation that mattered even had a proponent who insisted on calling themselves a child.
 
It can potentially make a difference when you wanna flip bgs. An npc faction should be easy enough, but a pmf may put up (a lot) more resistance.

Actually, any faction that has players that are willing to manipulate it via the BGS will change, irregardless of the source of the faction's name. The BGS is solely affected by player actions, so if no players work on its behalf, it is literally incapable of "resisting." The fact that it was named by the Stellar Forge, as opposed to a player, doesn't factor into it. About 50% of player-named factions don't even control their own system, while about 20% of the largest minor faction "empires" are stellar forge named or not.

This can happen even if there are other players who call the system home, if they're not interested in manipulating the BGS for fun and profit. Since many players are driven purely by credits or reputation, if BGS players know what they're doing, they can get those uninterested third parties to do a lot of the influence heavy lifting for them.
 
You monkeys. I havnt fabricated anything lol.

Everything I've said is true.

Every screen grab is legit. The only editing I've done is because the names.

I've always said full restriction or better percentages for open compared to the rest.

That's okay though. See you guys soon ��
 
Umm, this has the premise that player factions are a cornerstone in ED which is not true. I'd probably have never noticed them unless I did active research on the internet. I also want to point out that the only difference between standard factions and player factions is their origin but as a matter of fact, they are literally as important as any other faction.

What in the hell do you think colonia is?

We had somewhere close to 6000 players in our home system, verified by FDev! And PVP occurred...for the first day...but when everyone realized it didn't matter...the grind to win began in earnest!

Exactly. However community goals vs working against someone else in the BGS is two different things.

People are more interested in the community goal rather than flipping a system.
 
Isn't the forum block a complete waste of time. Look how much stuff you've had to put up with, just to end up lifting the block anyway.
It's not nice being forced in to interacting with someone you don't want to see is it?

Cutter has under 800T without shields BTW. 724 with the lowest shields (I think).
It's the Type 9 that got boosted to more. And yes, those who run either without shields are idiots.
My Cutter has 690T cargo as I like defences and SLFs etc...

I'm in Open, but I'm also busy with my Intersteller Coach passenger transporting near Founders.
But please feel free to post videos of you in Open doing what ever you do for your CG.
I watch quite a few videos from all over, Algo, Rinzler, Majinvash etc....

Nah, I unblocked you after I posted that so I could so you whine about me being in solo. Ive been talking to my buddies in discord about it. How it would trigger some of you guys if I did it. Then I just mentioned it here and ya'll lost your marbles.

[video=youtube;xnKhsTXoKCI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnKhsTXoKCI[/video]

Remember, Im the one pulling the strings. Not the other way around.
 
Nah, I unblocked you after I posted that so I could so you whine about me being in solo. Ive been talking to my buddies in discord about it. How it would trigger some of you guys if I did it. Then I just mentioned it here and ya'll lost your marbles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnKhsTXoKCI

Remember, Im the one pulling the strings. Not the other way around.

:D
Good lord 90s, what the hell are you on? I've been reading up on these last couple of pages and you seem to be on a self-imploding rampage, more or less mindlessly attacking and insulting all you see? You're usually prone to being controversial but level-headed, but seem completely out of whack here...

How many days have you been awake? Take a nap, and just say no to drugs buddy. ;)
 
Nah, I unblocked you after I posted that so I could so you whine about me being in solo. Ive been talking to my buddies in discord about it. How it would trigger some of you guys if I did it. Then I just mentioned it here and ya'll lost your marbles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnKhsTXoKCI

Remember, Im the one pulling the strings. Not the other way around.

Christ 90's, I'll admit, I wanted to get you on the run earlier in this thread but mate, seriously, stop now, watching you dig and twist and squirm here is getting a little uncomfortable. The problem with weaving as tangled a web as you have 90's is it becomes harder and harder to remember who you told porkies to, when and on what subject, honestly, from one human bloody being to another 90's, stop.
 
Christ 90's, I'll admit, I wanted to get you on the run earlier in this thread but mate, seriously, stop now, watching you dig and twist and squirm here is getting a little uncomfortable. The problem with weaving as tangled a web as you have 90's is it becomes harder and harder to remember who you told porkies to, when and on what subject, honestly, from one human bloody being to another 90's, stop.

I agree. Live to fight another day 90s! We all love a nice slice of forum PvP, but you need to retreat and regroup buddy. ;) :)
 
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Good lord 90s, what the hell are you on? I've been reading up on these last couple of pages and you seem to be on a self-imploding rampage, more or less mindlessly attacking and insulting all you see? You're usually prone to being controversial but level-headed, but seem completely out of whack here...

How many days have you been awake? Take a nap, and just say no to drugs buddy. ;)

Haha, nah man.

Its true, I knew the guy would flip his lid. It literally took less than 2 minutes for him to post from one thread to another about me not being in open for our CG. Just wait until I stream it. More people than him is gonna go crazy about it. Its pretty funny.

Watch this clip, https://clips.twitch.tv/DarlingGleamingPrariedogEleGiggle

Self imploding? I had to go into what I've learned in college about game creation. Its what I wanted to do before I got sick. We went through many courses of study about group behavior. Funneling content so the game is played properly and all that good stuff.

Some of these guys ended up literally attacking me over it. Instead of googling what I had to say. Everything I spoke about is very much real.

And I tried to go in depth for them to understand it. Some did, and some willingly didnt.

Thats on them. What are ya gonna do. Some people just troll here intentionally.

They know there is issues, but some dont. And some dont want changes at all. Because NONE of this effects and dont want any progression or PVP to mean anything because its not "the game they bought".

Fact is, this game is no where close to the game they bought. Its evolved into a multiplayer game. Its no longer just a single player game.

Like WoW, you start out with Personal Progression, then you join a group for multiplayer stuff and top tier raiding in the end.

No different here. Except PVP is involved vs other groups. And PVP it self has no meaning in Elite.

Im trying to tell them Fdev has been saying they will be giving PVP its meaning, They have outright said it. And there is only one way to do that. Limit the modes in one way or another. And they will, because that the only option. You cant allow objectives to be taken vs other people removing the need for PVP. ITs what PVP in any game is for.

Elites not special here.

Plus I talk some smack, im pretty good at it. It didnt start this way though. But they brought it on themselves. And when they finally find out im right.

Good lord, thats when we will see the implosions.
 
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