LOL, When I was a lad, we had to take the bus, walk 10 km, though the woods fighting bears to rent a video...So I agree with you.
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Elite Dangerous' Game Design is stuck behind a rock and a hard place
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LOL, When I was a lad, we had to take the bus, walk 10 km, though the woods fighting bears to rent a video...So I agree with you.
For crying out loud, this isn't an excuse to complain about modern society's patience or lack thereof. We're talking about supercruise being clunky and unsatisfying game mechanic; thinking of things to do during long SCs isn't really the point.
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That's some large text there mate. I agree with you though. Today's players are impatient and want it all yesterday. I would also hazard a guess that some bored EVE players have come over and are trying to turn the game into something akin to that. Which will ultimately fail I am sure.
Star systems are huge, and getting from one end to the other should take a while but in most cases we are talking mere minutes. Sure there are some that are much larger but only a few of these have been discovered so far and threads raised point that out. Is a two or three minute trip in SC really worth this much discussion?
Star systems are huge, and getting from one end to the other should take a while but in most cases we are talking mere minutes. Sure there are some that are much larger but only a few of these have been discovered so far and threads raised point that out. Is a two or three minute trip in SC really worth this much discussion?
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hell ... he did it to rent a *video*?! I had to do the same thing, through snow storms, just to rent some old people person to tell us stories. Of course she knew only one story so it got a bit repetitive after a while ... Also .. wwe didn't have bears. We only had gophers.
(btw. I do agree with Jaffa Cakes but I generally use longer words instead of bigger fonts to get my point across)
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I'll be honest. I only read about half of that wall of text but I did see a lot of complaining about the travel but what I didn't see were suggestions to make it better. I am an original Elite player, didn't play the next two as much but I did make it to Deadly in the original. So, if you played the original you know you would jump to a system and then travel, sometimes for 10+ minutes to get to the station. I actually don't see a problem with the current setup and in reality, just like any other multiplayer game out there are travel times to get to a destination it's just you actually have control of your travel(while in SC) and things can happen.
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Not a bad idea.
I'm sorry to hear that. Perhaps when the next expansion or two are released you will change your mind. I personally see myself doing a lot of flying around in atmosphere just for the hell of it.
It would be 10x more flawed if you could just travel these distances within a blink of an eye... Its (maybe not perfect) ok how it is.
Wasnt the original elite solution that when you got into the influence of a starport you pressed shift C and were instantly docked? i think you can do that in oolite. Does anyone want that kind of situation? choose a destinatio, press a button and you are there. I know I dont. quite happy with the way things are thank you. If flying across the galaxy means waiting a couple of minutes then i can live with that. plenty of time spent in getting speed at optimum, wiggling to avoid possible interdictions and so on
Welsh, huh?
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Anyone who is into space sims has to try this.
It is worth the learning curve.
I remember it is one of the few games I have modded. Back in 2007 I remember making a custom MFD to simulate trading ore from the asteroids. Just interface stuff really and some simulated figures. not much game integration. Happy memories.
I do still compare all other space sims to it on one level.
Oh, and it is totally free as in beer.
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I understand your concern, but I think you want this game to be something it was never intended to be - non stop action. I don't think this game is meant to be something that requires all your attention at every moment. Most people who play and enjoy this game will do so while watching a movie, chatting with friends, or listening to music. Eve is the same why and while it is extremely successful, many people can't play it because the feel the same way you do about ED. Space is filled with mostly "nothing." And this game is meant to be more of a space flight simulation. It's simply not going to entertain you every second you are logged in. And I don't believe it is designed to. But I do however believe ED will be wildly successful.
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Cradle2Grave
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I don't know why some people regarding criticising the current travel system as a cry for "non stop action" and that those that do are lazy and over-pandered-to.
It's very boring.
And it's not like we're flying the ship ourselves during it.
It's very boring.
And it's not like we're flying the ship ourselves during it.
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If you are serious about "simulated" galaxies, I suggest you try the X series of games. Even X Rebirth has currently more depth in regards to a simulated economy. Also, take a look at Limit Theory.
Elite is at this point barely worthy of being called a simulation in that regard.
Seriously, there's too many people here who seem to barely know a thing about hardcore space sims and yet go around praising Elite's faults as if they were part of some finely crafted experience that only select connoisseurs can appreciate. It is not, it is flawed in more than one area and the sooner we acknowledge that the sooner we can make it a better game for all of us.
I know you think you are being loyal to the game or whatever, but you are simply hurting it with your blind praise.
That said, I don't think travel can be "fixed" without making a pretty big overhaul of many aspects of the game, so I suggest we focus on stuff that can be improved, such as faction and diplomacy mechanics, market depth and the complexity of the manufacture processes.
I'm not sure that praising X-Rebirth and Limit Theory testifies to your superior judgement of space sims.
I find super-cruise just as entertaining as the old Star Dreamer approach in Frontier/FFE. I love seeing other ships flitting about (AI or player) and I love the sense of scale. However, I would like to see the option to micro-jump to other stars in the system, or a 'torus-drive' straight-line 'boost' function, if only as compromise gestures to the people who really don't like the approach, to keep them in the game. I've also no problem with autopilots for SC, as long as they move slower than a player would be capable of to allow interdictions. Conversely, I've got no problem with higher class FSDs offering considerable acceleration/deceleration advantages. I'd also like to know if we are ever going to get gravity slingshots as per the old DDA at some point in the future.
Tar Stone
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Some interesting comments appearing.
My problem with supercruise isn't the length of the journeys, it's the lack of danger and absence of the unknown.
It's designed to create a sense of wonder and scale, not tension and danger.
It's gone for the opposite emotion from the original Elite.
My problem with supercruise isn't the length of the journeys, it's the lack of danger and absence of the unknown.
It's designed to create a sense of wonder and scale, not tension and danger.
It's gone for the opposite emotion from the original Elite.
I didn't really take note in which kind of system this happened (my guess would be Anarchy mostly), but I do get interdicted a lot, which brings tension (but because I'm a passable pilot not too much danger). Also, it's always a good idea to check what kind of ships are flying around while in SC and if possible get an ID lock on them, and depending on your findings ("hmm .. viper, Dangerous, wanted?! oh.. and approaching at a suspect pace!") that also can bring some tension in your routine