Which is the point everyone's been repeating since the beginning of Hotel California ad nauseum- everyone who WANTS to PvP is already IN Open.
Elite Dangerous is the Largest Empty Sandbox Ever Made
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Which is the point everyone's been repeating since the beginning of Hotel California ad nauseum- everyone who WANTS to PvP is already IN Open.
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Nah, my faction-mates probably wouldn't react well... Plus I'm an advocate of open and PvP... think it's forbidden
The two cents I'd like to add is that we still can't build anything in the giant sandbox that is the galaxy of Elite. I would have thought that player-built bases would have been quick to follow planetary landings in Horizons. Deciding to build a base on an airless moon would be part Planet Coaster and part survival game. Needing to haul materials to my moon-base and trying to figure out a decent way to supply hydrogen would be fun puzzles to solve, for example. I'm a builder. I'm building up my CMDR: rankings, money, fleet of ships... At some point soon, i'm going to run out of things to do.
As to the Thargoids and Community Goals, etc -- I don't care. (My guess is most people don't.) It's like all of that is just part of the background simulation and only makes for good release trailers. The trailer for The Return was like an old time news reel: here's what's going on someplace else... Now you're informed. If i want more news reels, i can just look at Obsidian Ant's Youtube site for the latest. I don't mean this to sound insulting to anybody's hard work, but it's honestly how my experience in Elite has been for the last year or so. (Watching YouTube vids of stuff that doesn't concern me.)
If i were building a remote base somewhere, perhaps between the Bubble and Colonia, and had to worry about NPC pirates or Thargoids (etc) trying to wreck my hard work I would most certainly care. Right now though, the only "asset" I have is my CMDR, and my CMDR has no incentive to get involved with the Thargoids or any of the political ooga booga going on in the background.
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On the 7th day God didn't really rest. God instead created ED and it is perfect, there is no way for the game to be improved.
They're adding one grain of sand a week. Give them some time!
there's no point in trying to reason with evangelists , whales are being farmed and at some point will be extinct
why change the statistic to make his look wrong hes talking about " Right now 2,662 are In-Game via steam" 2662 out of 2.5/3 million sales even for currently playing the game right now is kinda weak ,i would expect at least 20,000 people to be playing "right now" with them numbers
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i would say as its the market leader on pc for distribution ....quite a lot more then who buyed from the frontier store
I was just reminiscing in game with some good guys I winged up with for the thargoid cg. Remember the battle of Lugh! Please correct me if I get my facts wrong, going completely from memory and it's been a while.... I think it all started with the Fed President bombarding a planet from orbit, killing thousands(millions??) of innocents. Bunch of farmers that were growing onionhead. They rose up against the feds, just a small band of independents that culminated in the greatest battle in ED history. I remember it was all out war, many of the empire covertly supporting the independents, traders running the blockades, two OPPOSING CG's and whoever was the first to complete won. Damn, looking back that was quite a good storyline, got the players involved, created a sense of community, and was one of the first CG's in the game. All of that was what 2 or 3 years ago. This game has the magic it's just been a while.
This has been an interesting 40 pages of thread. I largely tend to agree with the sentiments that Elite as a sandbox game is rather on the empty side, almost to the point that yes it really isn't a sandbox game at all. Great potential is there but it remains mostly untapped thus far.
It's like a sandbox that only barely has enough sand in it to make a few roads for your Matchbox cars to drive around, but nowhere near enough sand to make any hills or caves or cities for the Matchbox cars. Just flat, thin roads, nothing else.
Core mechanics and features are desperately needed to add a few more inches of depth to that mile wide Elite river. Not bolt on separate features like CQC, Power Play, or Multicrew, but rather serious development of the core of the game itself with the basic tenants like trade, mining, exploration, bounty hunting, piracy, search & rescue, and even (to a much lesser degree) combat. New tools and ways to interact with the game world which enable much more engaging and varied outcomes from simply playing the game. Fortunately Beyond for 2018 is supposed to address exactly this, finally, at long last!!!!!
Let's just hope that Beyond will be more like Horizons and less like Multicrew....
It's like a sandbox that only barely has enough sand in it to make a few roads for your Matchbox cars to drive around, but nowhere near enough sand to make any hills or caves or cities for the Matchbox cars. Just flat, thin roads, nothing else.
Core mechanics and features are desperately needed to add a few more inches of depth to that mile wide Elite river. Not bolt on separate features like CQC, Power Play, or Multicrew, but rather serious development of the core of the game itself with the basic tenants like trade, mining, exploration, bounty hunting, piracy, search & rescue, and even (to a much lesser degree) combat. New tools and ways to interact with the game world which enable much more engaging and varied outcomes from simply playing the game. Fortunately Beyond for 2018 is supposed to address exactly this, finally, at long last!!!!!
Let's just hope that Beyond will be more like Horizons and less like Multicrew....
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Haven't read all the comment, so just providing my perspective.
I don't think ED is intended to be a sandbox-type game like EVE or Planet Coaster.
I think that ED being part of the Elite franchise, the primary benchmarks should be the prior iterations in the franchise.
From this perspective, there are quite a lot of 'good' elements from earlier Elite games that ED has yet to match or improve upon.
Took years for this version to be made and I think DBOBE and FD is taking a long-term road to realizing his vision. It's like a musician creating an album that explore specific new musical areas to the chagrin of loyal and genre fans.
Personally feel that the pace is too slow and area of focus a bit random (Roadmap? What? Artists don't have roadmaps, we got areas of creative expression), but appreciate that there will at least be some on-going development.
I'm fine being on the ride and asking "are we there yet" or "I want to go there" on occasions.
I don't think ED is intended to be a sandbox-type game like EVE or Planet Coaster.
I think that ED being part of the Elite franchise, the primary benchmarks should be the prior iterations in the franchise.
From this perspective, there are quite a lot of 'good' elements from earlier Elite games that ED has yet to match or improve upon.
Took years for this version to be made and I think DBOBE and FD is taking a long-term road to realizing his vision. It's like a musician creating an album that explore specific new musical areas to the chagrin of loyal and genre fans.
Personally feel that the pace is too slow and area of focus a bit random (Roadmap? What? Artists don't have roadmaps, we got areas of creative expression), but appreciate that there will at least be some on-going development.
I'm fine being on the ride and asking "are we there yet" or "I want to go there" on occasions.
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I always thought the BGS was a good half-measure to completely player owned entities, and I also thought Powerplay was an acceptable compromise...
but after they fumbled both of these so badly, I'm starting to think the player option is just easier and better.
A good example of bad sandbox design is mining. It is worthless in every regard.
1) You cant do anything with ores. No manufacturing or refining.
2) Ores simply do not mean anything, if nobody mined, the NPC's would auto spawn it in commodity markets still, it does not affect the universe at all.
3) Ore is valueless because you can use exploits or other farm methods that are 20-30-50x more profitable.
That's the trifecta of fail right there.
EVE
1) Ores are used for refining, manufacturing and building
2) Ores have a strong gameplay trade mechanic in local and regional markets. And have proper supply and demand.
3) Ore is not valueless. It can be low risk and low effort monetary reward or high risk high effort monetary reward. Additionally, in the context of far away, localized markets - ore has a non-monetary value as its used for production of items and ships. Adding extra gameplay depth past "MOAR MONEY FARM" which everything in Elite revolves around.
Yeah! Chess sucks too because all you do is move pieces on a board! eeeee
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The bottom line is...
There is still A LOT of potential in this game. I know they have a long term vision, and are still creating the playing space as it were, and the tech with which to actually make a fun and interesting game.
My hope is that eventually, it's going to be awesome. There are a lot of great ideas in the forums. Hopefully they are listening.
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There is still A LOT of potential in this game. I know they have a long term vision, and are still creating the playing space as it were, and the tech with which to actually make a fun and interesting game.
My hope is that eventually, it's going to be awesome. There are a lot of great ideas in the forums. Hopefully they are listening.
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I'm not sure what you mean. That the game will never improve or that the game doesn't need to improve. (and of course, improve being subjective and unique to each person).
I know there are some "haters" around here who think the game will never improve, and its doomed to fail - can't do anything for people like that. I'm not aware of anyone who thinks it doesn't need to improve though. Fairly sure most fans think its good, but could be better. I think you could include the devs in that group as well.
EvE is a very different game. In Need for Speed i can race against NPCs. I can't do that in ED, therefore ED is bad.... eee.
Ok, let's take a look at your points.
1) You can sell them for profit. Now, let's consider, what if you could use them for something else, like building something..... so, what do you want to be buildable that you can't buy anyway? I suppose they could be used as Engineer materials... ugh! No, let's not go there again.
2) Well, that's because there is no way players could generate the amounts required for traders to trade in. You'd have entire systems without any ores. ED can't have a player drive economy simply because its playable area is too large in relation to the number of players. For a player driven economy to work, you have to have enough players in a given region for it to work.
3) That's not a problem with mining. That's a problem with the exploits.
Its also worth keeping in mind some people mine because they enjoy mining. Some people don't mine because they don't enjoy mining. Pushing people to mine who don't enjoy it by requiring the mining be useful for something is going to annoy a lot of people, c.f. Engineers.
Lol whats exploration in ED? Scoop charge fsd honk (2 buttons) , scan a planet: fly towards it in straight line watch the counter (exciting) wait for the scan to complete while doing nothing, take screen shot repeat
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Some decent points, but I think you're also too critical. The game doesn't need a complete overhaul. CQC, Powerplay, Multicrew don't require overhauls. The foundation is decent, they just need to integrate it better into the main game and give it more variety and depth in terms of gameplay.
CQC needs bots to fill matches and option to wait for a match while in the main game. Powerplay needs to be more player driven and player controlled. The player factions in Powerplay should be player managed guilds imo, that would add so much depth. Now player actions in Powerplay are superficial, because we're tiny gears with little agency. Multicrew needs more PVE gameplay and should be more like Star Trek: Bridge Crew. Add NPC crew for solo players.
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I think the problem is that some here categorise anyone who doesn't adhere to their: doom and gloom, the game is dead, FD suxs, FD dropped the ball, SC is a far superior game - well you get the drift, must think the game is perfect and doesn't need changing. It seems beyond normal comprehension that someone can enjoy the game, have some semblance of faith that FD is trying to fix things (i.e. fixing the core game as proposed for Beyond) but can still be critical or at least acknowledge that there are faults in the game that need addressing. I know this little fact that all White Knights only say the game is perfect keeps on being trotted out, but I have yet to read someone who only carries the FD line (hell even FD don't carry the FD line as evidence by Dale's excellent post in this thread) and only proclaim the game is 'perfect'.
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