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Hysterical. The slow death of Elite continues. Better to not have a stream than show off that there's nothing to show off except the same vapid community content. Oh look: another lego ship.. ResidentSleeper
Yeah, I was just talking to someone about that elsewhere. There was a time when the community managers were part of the community. As it stands now, with the exception of Sally, the current lads give me the impression that Elite Dangerous is very much something they're involved in because they're told to do it, as opposed to wanting to do it.
In fairness though this place has gotten more toxic than ever the past 18 months, so for anyone coming into the ED CM seats during that time who wasn't already "into" the game, I could understand how they'd be wondering what they got themselves into. Even Sally was repeatedly getting flak when it was clear as day she's always on the side of the community.
I just wish they'd stick or twist at this point. Stop promising things that you either can't deliver, or won't deliver. I've always laughed at the doomsaying, since I've been reading it/hearing it since 2014 with all the predictions of the demise of Elite falling on their backsides.
But something about this feels... different.
I think it's the lack of vision moving forward and the mounting years of disappointment, topped off with the comms black out. Back then, we knew stuff was coming. Space Legs. Carriers. Things. But over the years we've seen how all of these rolled out bugged and borderline broken and - at least for me - I think, what's left to do? And then all of that marinates in the stew of the head of the company saying that console cancellation was so that they could get on with the story of the game and then comms black out again.
I've never been a doomster, and I'm not one now...I just see an eight year old game withering away. I'll happily carry on doing what I'm doing and enjoying myself. I just see the writing on the wall and feel bad for the folks in the crossfire between us and management.
Elon should buy it
Nice one... not...
Oh and what about those unfinished Twitch drops ?
Oh and what about those unfinished Twitch drops ?
When the game started, it was staffed by people who were excited to be a part of something as classic as Elite being brought back and reimagined for the "next generation." Over time, those people moved on as is the way of things, and the people who've replaced them are doing so because they took a job as opposed to being involved in "part of something." And again, when CMs and developers are getting threats and abuse hurled at them constantly in the wake of Odyssey being released, its human nature to not respond to that by thinking "I can't wait to dive back into the forum tomorrow and engage with those people!"
Last year, we had Sally. She's really the difference. Someone on the CM team that makes the community feel like they matter, that the concerns about the state of things wasn't just falling on deaf ears. Replying to people individually to let them know they were being heard and not ignored. All we have now is Arf on the streams once a week saying "We don't have any news to share, I promise as soon as we do we'll share it."
No wait, we don't even have that now.
Spot on. I've said the same thing myself.
Imagine trying to argue with OA about his own YT data. What were you thinking? This is coming from someone Frontier has approved as a vol mod? These forums are rotting along with the game.I am afraid that does not really seem to accurately reflect the reality of your channel. As of April 22 and looking back from that date here is the result for the videos marked as 4 months or less by youtube at that date. There has been just 3 new videos published since then, and views may have changed in the last week obviously, but all in all I would say the below should still be pretty accurate.
There is an extreme view outlier video there for the one about a volcano in MSFS where you had got 594k views apparently. I have taken the figures with and without the top outliers of each game for comparison. Note in both cases Elite seems to be on top of MSFS for views, especially if we don’t count extreme outliers where Elite would double MSFS views.
Views in thousands.
The channel has diversified well but Elite indeed still seems to be among the top topic sources for views (and therefore the “doom” title click baiting, such as "Elite Dangerous a sinking ship?" etc probably playing a significant role). Just remember that these figures are only a 4 months snap shot at April 22nd. Things were probably different in the past and can still change a lot in the future.
Dont let these people wind you up. keep doing what your doingUnfortunately, people are going to think whatever they are going to think. It's unlikely my explanation will change your mind in any manner whatsoever. We are also going way off-topic here, but seeing as you are diving further into the data - let me give you some context.
The best type of video a YouTuber wants - are "evergreen" videos. These are videos that make views month on month, year on year.
The second best type of video are viral videos (like the MSFS volcano video you mentioned)
The third best type is not about views, but about whether the video generates new subscribers (it's more important to build audience, then it is to build views)
The forth best type is to generate long-term interest in a particular series of videos (this requires a topic that has long term interest with a subject that has a long term future).
The fifth best type of video is to generate good engagement via comments
The sixth best type is to generate a lot of views on any random subject
Different YouTuber's will see it in a different way.
From the 1st of January 2022 to 28th April, my channel has generated 5.4 million views. This comes from a combination of the above video types I mentioned. Generally speaking the higher up the list the video is, the more long term views it will generate.
Elite does okay for my channel (more than ok), but the bulk of those 5.4 million views do not come from new Elite videos, they come from older Elite videos, and videos on other games. The "clickbait" Elite titles which seem to bother people account for a very small percentage of this over all number.
In my top 20 videos of all time, Elite features just 3 times - and not even near the top.
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If I chase a specific type of video, it is these ones (in the image).
A "clickbait" video that generates 100k views over the course of 5 or 10 days, is neither here nor there and from my perspective is small fry.
As I have said before - if I run my channel on YouTube Clickbait (as some people incorrectly believe), then I would be making far more controversial videos than I currently do. MSFS, Star Citizen and No Man's Sky generate far better controversial titles, and views than Elite. But creating controversy isn't what I'm interested in. If Frontier make stupid mistakes, then I will talk about those stupid mistakes. If Microsoft, Asobo, Hello Games and CCP make stupid mistakes, then I will talk about them too (just like the recent EVE video).
The fact Frontier seem to make more mistakes than all the others combined is certainly a factor in why there are more "negative" Elite videos than there are for other games.
EDIT: And just because you got me curious - I just dug into the stats. New Elite videos have generated 835,541 views between 1st January and 28th April (out of a total of 5,400,000 in the same period). So, it accounts for an even smaller percentage of my total views from the same period than I had realised.
Hats off to the CM team for forging ahead as long as they have. It must have got to a point where they say we can't go on today with nothing to say, again! Perhaps this was the reason for lack of engagement after Christmas. I hope all will be well but this information makes positivity harder to cling to. Management must be talking behind closed doors again. Winter is coming, perhaps!
I think there needs to be a shakeup in terms of who's running Elite. Not talking about the CMs here, but whoever's in charge of the project in general seems apathetic at best, and their actions end up throwing those who are working for them under the bus on a regular basis.
Whoever is responsible for steering Elite Dangerous at Frontier needs to get their s**t together.
Whoever is responsible for steering Elite Dangerous at Frontier needs to get their s**t together.
With respect, the saying used to be 'no news is good news', but I guess that doesn't generate clicks.Sure it's not a Turkey Ledge?
Joking aside. None of the stuff going on with Elite currently is good news. It's not doom to say that. It's fact.
They won't cancel development until after the end of the fiscal year (May 31st, I believe) - so you should amend that date to something like 01/06/2022.
Slightly, streams are not necessary to the operation of the game.slightly?
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