ANNOUNCEMENT Elite Dangerous: Odyssey Announcement

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Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
[VR] Amy Pendergast said:
The VR announcement now is just the straw that broke the camels neck for a few still trusty customers.
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But is it? FDs stance has not changed since EDO was announced and FD said 'no full VR' (unless I missed a dev post that suggested otherwise).

Unless the core game is fully realised then all the VR in the world won't hide a shallow game that continues to be shallow.
 

Stelar 7

Stelar 7
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MrShinyTorterra said:
Yes, because every post posted to day is 100% trashtalk. There were no good suggestions made, no questions asked, ...
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That is your value judgment, not reality. You seem pretty poisoned from the start though. Thats my value judgment.

Maybe try interacting instead of fecal posting.
 

CMDR Rusty Dog

CMDR Rusty Dog
epoch5 said:
OK I took a risk. So what? There will simply be no more money spent going forward I don't even like playing the game without VR. VR is the reason I bought this game and looks like the reason I will end up quitting it.
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Exactly, so what? You took a risk. Doesn't matter to me. But look at the end result. Now you're throwing the toys out of the pram and you're not alone. I can sympathise in that it's disappointing that VR is unlikely now, but not in your purchase decision. That's down to you. But yeah, so what? :)
 

Amy Pendergast

Amy Pendergast
Rubbernuke said:
But is it? FDs stance has not changed since EDO was announced and FD said 'no full VR' (unless I missed a dev post that suggested otherwise).

Unless the core game is fully realised then all the VR in the world won't hide a shallow game that continues to be shallow.
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The whole no VR in Odyssey is just the next iteration of everything we saw before.
That's what I mean with broke the camels neck.

It could have been any other feature and the echo would have been the same.

In this special case I think the only real errors FD made (apart from ignoring VR, but that's IMHO):
They should not have made a big show in their first supercruise stream, announcing news next week and that they will start a feedback thread moderated by a CM, which they didn't do.
And the second is in the actual announcement of no plan. They should have skipped the "maybe in the future" "not now" part and just stated "There are no plans."

That would have at least stopped people from having false expectations.
 

CMDR Rusty Dog

CMDR Rusty Dog
Stelar 7 said:
1. What people previously thought is on those people not Fdev. They can't possibly respond to all the range of stuff in peoples head cannon.

2. Almost all software dev is Agile, or some hybrid, it is vastly more successful than other methods and what I see in Fdev's rollout matches agile development, call it informerd speculation.

3. I'm not misrepresenting you, this is what you said...

"On the flip side, I think Frontier Developments should have stated it's position BEFORE the launch. I suspect they chose not to in case it would affect sales - as it clearly would have. That is NOT being transparent. From an outside perspective it almost comes across deceitful whether that was the intention or not."

They did state their position before the launch. Heck you eve later agreed they did.

I agree you used the qualifier almost before labeling them as deceitful, however you directly accused them of not stating their position.

I'm not making any assumptions I'm responding directly to your words.

As for being less judgmental you didn't seem to feel that was a flaw when you levied your criticism. You aren't shy making assumptions of my judgmentalness....

Bit hypocritical there.

Simple facts are that you claimed Frontier didn't do a thing they did do and said they should have. I've done nothing more than set the record straight there. I'm not judging your caliber, just the truth value of the claim.

If you feel personally attacked I'm happy to let it go. None of this was an attack against you.
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1) Yep, I said as much in my opening post.
2) You can call it that. :)
3) You said that I called it decpetion. I didn't. I said it might appear that way. It's a totally different statement.

I know they stated their position before launch but, as I have already said, there was a feeling in that statement that full VR could come later. That it was a possibility.
I feel with the statement in SC#37 that this possibility has now all but been closed off. So that's the difference there. Before it was a sentence and now there's a full stop at the end.

As for my judgements or assumptions just to show I can give back what I get. So if there was any hypocrisy, it was totally deliberate.

It seems you simply have a different view on things and how Frontiers statement have been interpreted by the community. I get feedback from a lot of community members on my livestream so I'm not just speaking for myself... in fact I don't think I am speaking for myself. VR isn't a deal breaker for me but I know first hand how it affecting others.

Nope I don't feel personally attacked. If I did, I'd attack back, I'm pretty well practiced at that. :)
I don't even think anything you've said was an attack. Not even close. Your interpretation of things against mine has lead to a difference of opinion. I think I can handle that :)
 
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kilvenny

kilvenny
I understood no VR in Odyssey at launch and I wasn't expecting a full implementation down the line, but I was expecting a tidy up and some options like being able to take my headset off at the transition to legs and not need to mess around with settings and vice versa when getting back into my ship. It's bad enough the transition in pan cake only. I parked my 4 accounts when EDO beta hit hoping for the best. My two LEPS look now like mistakes, but hey ho, you win some and lose some, I just play something else.
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
VR StarLightPL said:
See @StuartGT post on reddit with links to the transcripts:
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/o0ilo5/_/h1v7ree
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/o0ilo5/fdev_there_are_no_plans_to_develop_vr_for_odyssey/h1v7ree/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3


I can't bring myself to watch that stream and clip it, after Arf promised a thread with VR feedback, and then switched to "LOL NO". Clipped by yours truly:
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Terrible news for VR enthusiasts.

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epoch5

epoch5
I bought ED well over a year ago and it appeared ED had made a solid commitment to VR. I bought 2 gaming computers 3 VR head sets and 2 HOTAS rigs. All totaling several thousand dollars. Now it seems they are saying our commitment was just a passing fancy. Well my commitment will be passing as well. I will hold out to see what they have to say till the console stuff comes out. If they still have no commitment to VR, I will have none to them.
 
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Stelar 7

Stelar 7
MrShinyTorterra said:
They promised something and they didn't deliver. That's it, no excuses no . If you can't handle reality than you have a problem.
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I'm seeing no failure of delivery. They promised to be more engaging, not to tell you answers to every question you ask and not to accept abuse without pushback.

Show me the lie, anywhere.
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
epoch5 said:
I bought ED well over a year ago and it appeared ED had made a solid commitment to VR. I bought 2 gaming computers 3 VR head sets and 2 HOTAS rigs. All totaling several thousand dollars. Now it seems they are saying our commitment was just a passing fancy. Well my commitment will be passing as well.
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It seems that it was a virtual commitment 🙂

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Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
Stamford Rider said:
For some at least, I'm not sure that statement is correct. It seems plain to me that many were prepared to ignore the dull and shallow grind because the VR experience was, for them, just that good. Time will tell how this plays out.
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And for the majority I'm sure they'd prefer FD actually fill out the main game, and is where the long term money is with durable and well rounded gameplay that rewards over time keeping people happy and playing.

Odysseys sugar rush will soon end and people will be back wondering 'is this it?'
 

AtomicJuggler

AtomicJuggler
Rubbernuke said:
And for the majority I'm sure they'd prefer FD actually fill out the main game, and is where the long term money is with durable and well rounded gameplay that rewards over time keeping people happy and playing.

Odysseys sugar rush will soon end and people will be back wondering 'is this it?'
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Agreed,

Odyssey has a LOT of potential, and so has Horizon, still.
Fdev has the nasty habit to start exceptional things, but never get to the end of these things : Minimal bugs fixes (mostly what breaks the game), then that's it...
Then they start something else, leaving half finished features in the game all the time.

It seems that the ED part of FDev has a huge attention deficit problem, probably due to a lack passion, lack of strong leadership, lack of long-term vision,etc... for the game :rolleyes:

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