News Elite Dangerous Store And Product Info

[who?]

As for the rest you're far off base horizons is just a content update like in any other game that adds to the already existing code. Its dlc in the sense that adv packs for dungeons and dragons online are dlc.

It's not just another content update like in any other game because most other games don't involve huge amounts of procedurally generated content. They typically involve a relatively small amount of hand-crafted content (terrain, character models, textures, weapons and other gear, sounds, mission scripts). I'm not trying to belittle what they offer, but they are largely data updates, which are quicker to implement and easier to validate than code changes. A PG universe is going to be all about code changes.

Plus Horizons isn't simply tacking on additional missions/characters/craft/weapons. We're already seeing the mission/reputation/contacts system is being revamped, existing craft have additional physics models (planetary flight), a new craft class (SRV) has been added. It's not *that* common for DLC to revamp the existing game mechanics, in addition to just tacking on new missions/models etc.

 

[Space Dandy]

It's not just another content update like in any other game because most other games don't involve huge amounts of procedurally generated content. They typically involve a relatively small amount of hand-crafted content (terrain, character models, textures, weapons and other gear, sounds, mission scripts). I'm not trying to belittle what they offer, but they are largely data updates, which are quicker to implement and easier to validate than code changes. A PG universe is going to be all about code changes.

Plus Horizons isn't simply tacking on additional missions/characters/craft/weapons. We're already seeing the mission/reputation/contacts system is being revamped, existing craft have additional physics models (planetary flight), a new craft class (SRV) has been added. It's not *that* common for DLC to revamp the existing game mechanics, in addition to just tacking on new missions/models etc.

Lots of game updates change code and don't just add to it.. I know ED has lots of old timers and 40+ year olds like myself but some of you need to get off the lawn and realize these updates we are getting are not as amazing as you some of you think they are.

We are not in 1984 anymore. Lots of dlc now isn't just new skins and extra data shoved in some file like you seem to think. Changing game mechanics is pretty basic stuff nowaday.

Anyways this is really off topic please make a thread about the topic and lets stop getting off track here.

This new price scheme is a really a step in the right direction and what should have happened to start with when Horizons came out.

 

[lefty1117]

OK, so going forward customers will need to purchase the base ED game, and then the season pass DLC.

Does this mean that in future updates people can pick and choose what Season Pass DLC they purchase? Will people be able to buy Season 2 if they like what is in that DLC instead of Season 1? Or will each Season be cumulative and include all of the previous seasons' content?

 

[Space Dandy]

OK, so going forward customers will need to purchase the base ED game, and then the season pass DLC.

Does this mean that in future updates people can pick and choose what Season Pass DLC they purchase? Will people be able to buy Season 2 if they like what is in that DLC instead of Season 1? Or will each Season be cumulative and include all of the previous seasons' content?

This could use some clarification, will previous season value depreciate as ED base game has over time and you still need to buy each season?

Or will each new season include the previous ones? I think it should go this route seeing as deluxe version will include all seasons available and base game at the time of purchase otherwise they need to make each season depreciate in value drastically as new ones comes out.

It would also help the player base from being too fractured as time goes on because.... new players buy deluxe version.... old players that may have skipped a season because xyz but then buy a new season get previous ones too.

 

[CTCParadox]

Glad to see you guys took advice on board.
I know you already said you won't do it but releasing the Cobra IV to everyone is a good idea.
I have access to it but would have no problem with it being opened to all CMDRs.
Then you can balance the ship without worrying about possible P2W accusations etc.

Also please no more exclusivity of ships or other gameplay mechanics. Please stick to paintjobs/decals/bobbleheads etc.

CMDR CTCParadox

 

[drfollet]

Thanks a lot for those gift it's a real pleasure to can get it

But how can i get the paint job for my Asp Explorer ? :$ i ve check on my paint in game, just have already purchased before.

Thanks a lot

 

[NordicusMaximus]

Thank you! But...I want to BUY paint packs for my ANACONDA, and I know a LOT of other Commanders have been asking for it for over a year!! Make some easy money Frontier! If you make it, we will buy it!!!

 

[-=DruiD=-]

Ok so this may have been covered in the 13 pages so far, but I must have missed it.
Will try and make this simple..

1) as a Lifetime pass owner - I am entitled to the Cobra Mark IV.
2) It has been available to me for purchase and ship-ports since Horizons etc.
3) I have NOT YET purchased the actual ship.

So ... If I have not done the ACTUAL purchase YET
A) It doesn't really matter - no rush It will this still be available to me in FOREVER in the future -e.g the entitled never loose the ability to purchase, and can find it in the future at shipyard... buy\sell the Cobra Mark IV to our hearts content

OR
B) Quick - buy it - those entitled are still 'entitled' but its now temporary, up until these DLC changes are made.. and then we will LOOSE the access, either via ships being removed from shipyards, or we loose the 'entitlement' to purchase - SO therefore, If we EVER want to experience the Cobra Mark IV for ourselves, have it in our hanger etc - we URGENTLY need to raise the funds and purchase it before these changes go through... and obviously never fly without insurance to repair it if we get blown up in the future.

Help please.. - this is the part that concerns me ..

Only players who own Elite Dangerous and Horizons before the change goes live tomorrow will be able to access the Cobra Mk IV. It's not possible to keep the current offer with the changes mentioned above and because we have stated that it is limited we feel obligated to remove the item. However, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of it being considered and reintroduced further in the future.

So - its it simply that we need to ensure we are "entitled" - via whatever means, Lifetime pass, ED + Horizons, Ringing up support if we Added ED after horizons etc - as per the other instructions form Zac - OR - do we also need to make sure we rush out and buy the "ITEM" - Cobra Mark IV before its removed...

 

[SaliVader]

Ok so this may have been covered in the 13 pages so far, but I must have missed it.
Will try and make this simple..

1) as a Lifetime pass owner - I am entitled to the Cobra Mark IV.
2) It has been available to me for purchase and ship-ports since Horizons etc.
3) I have NOT YET purchased the actual ship.

So ... If I have not done the ACTUAL purchase YET
A) It doesn't really matter - no rush It will this still be available to me in FOREVER in the future -e.g the entitled never loose the ability to purchase, and can find it in the future at shipyard... buy\sell the Cobra Mark IV to our hearts content

OR
B) Quick - buy it - those entitled are still 'entitled' but its now temporary, up until these DLC changes are made.. and then we will LOOSE the access, either via ships being removed from shipyards, or we loose the 'entitlement' to purchase - SO therefore, If we EVER want to experience the Cobra Mark IV for ourselves, have it in our hanger etc - we URGENTLY need to raise the funds and purchase it before these changes go through... and obviously never fly without insurance to repair it if we get blown up in the future.

Help please.. - this is the part that concerns me ..
"And don’t forget, you still have access to the Cobra Mk IV, ........ before the changes go live tomorrow"

You will be able to buy it whenever. It's people that buy Horizons from tomorrow on that will be locked out of that ship.
By the way, I think the deluxe version would be a better deal if it just came with a coupon for a paintjob pack from the store (aren't they all 5 pounds anyway?). Not everybody uses the eagle

 

[wstephenson]

So ... If I have not done the ACTUAL purchase YET
A) It doesn't really matter - no rush It will this still be available to me in FOREVER in the future -e.g the entitled never loose the ability to purchase, and can find it in the future at shipyard... buy\sell the Cobra Mark IV to our hearts content

No rush. You will still be entitled to buy it in game.

What is about to expire is the ability to obtain that entitlement, along with the "full Horizons for existing ED owners" discount.

 

[Wakizashi]

Dear FDevs,

I have recently quit some other MMO (completely different niche, run by EA/Bioware, or as community like to call "EAWare" and "Biofail"). Looking at the recent stuff and how the Devs handling things, I really have to say that I am impressed. 20% bonus last week for server issues was very nice gesture, and actually coming up and saying that basically business model for Horizons was wrong and making up to the players even in terms of free skin is something that I haven't used to see that often in a previous game. Golden Asp is like "Here, most of you are farming Robigo in Asp, so here, when you racking up that much money at least do it with style" . Could be skins for some other ships, but a gift is a gift, so its nice.

Even tho the game have issues, no doubt, for some reason I have the feeling that Devs actually trying to fix it. Yeah, nerf was strong on some fixes (Shadow deliveries anyone?), but you should see nerfs on classes in that other game... On each update there is new nerf hammer coming hard. Tweaking felt more like "tweak it with this jackhammer, and if people complain for too long, up it a little". I am not trying to suck up with the Devs or anything like that, have no reason to, but just wanted to say "thanks for listening to the community and actually doing something about the feedback you receive".

I have the feeling that my money is not (completely) wasted when switched to this game, and thank you for that Frontier.

Cheers

 

[wstephenson]

You will be able to buy it whenever. It's people that buy Horizons from tomorrow on that will be locked out of that ship.
By the way, I think the deluxe version would be a better deal if it just came with a coupon for a paintjob pack from the store (aren't they all 5 pounds anyway?). Not everybody uses the eagle

But Eagles and Sidewinders make perfect canyon runners (as well as light base raiders; they can hide from turrets behind buildings) so they complement Horizons well.

 

[orfeboy]

Not that this currently affects me since I already own Horizons, but how will all this pan out for new customers when they buy season 3? What I mean is, when Joe Bloggs decides to buy the game he now needs to but the original game and then the updates. when he does so will he need to buy season 2 and 3 separately as well as the full game or will he get season 2 and 3 together for the same price as season 3?

You see, in the old pricing model he paid the same price for the full game if as a new customer he bought the game and season 1 as if the same guy bought the game and season 10. He would have gotten all the previous seasons for free.

How does this new pricing model handle this problem?

 

[wstephenson]

How does this new pricing model handle this problem?

My hypothesis is that previous seasons will be rolled up into either the base product or the current DLC season pass. Why? Buying every season separately would be prohibitively expensive, and would lead to the player base being fragmented across features that they are entitled to. My guess is that seasons will be combined under the current season pass, because the base "space game" will always be playable standalone - it's the wheel of the hub of the (eventual) addon major features like landing on planets, limited walking around ships etc. The extra cost of buying every season as it comes out will be sweetened with ship and paintjob exclusives, and I expect that before every season launches, the Lifetime Expansion Pass will return at a price of (£25 * expected number of remaining seasons * 0.8)

 

[Brett C]

Great move guys! Happy with the changes.

Question: I have a guide in Horizons on Steam. Will the Horizon guides be moved across to ED guides? Or will we need to recreate them?

Thanks.

You will need to recreate them.

 

[dewiced]

As I remember it the plan is for some early ship paint jobs (Eagle pack - Tactical, Sidey Pack - Military) and one of the bobbleheads. It's items you can currently purchase online but ones that new players might want.

Great, so for the thingies which cost me 60£ people will get them now for how much? I'm not feeling cheated at all.

 

[Ervig]

Read all the answers Zac, but I still don't get it completely: I now have Horizons installed in Steam. If I want to have my time tracked in steam, is it better to uninstall E: D Horizons and install E: D ?

I really applaud you guys for making this change: it's way easier to understand for 'us customers' and just makes more sense. The previous pricing was incredibly hard for me to explain to my friends and other space-sim enthousiasts, and I think you guys lots a lot of potential sales because of it. I hope this change will get a few more commanders on board..space is big enough for a few more

Great, so for the thingies which cost me 60£ people will get them now for how much? I'm not feeling cheated at all.

Come on... you're not that guy that gets angry each time there is a sale on a game you just bought, right? You're better than that

 

[Space Dandy]

Not that this currently affects me since I already own Horizons, but how will all this pan out for new customers when they buy season 3? What I mean is, when Joe Bloggs decides to buy the game he now needs to but the original game and then the updates. when he does so will he need to buy season 2 and 3 separately as well as the full game or will he get season 2 and 3 together for the same price as season 3?

You see, in the old pricing model he paid the same price for the full game if as a new customer he bought the game and season 1 as if the same guy bought the game and season 10. He would have gotten all the previous seasons for free.

How does this new pricing model handle this problem?

Seems to me a "new" player will just buy the deluxe version of the game which should include the base game and ALL season that are currently out at the time.

See here:

First of all, loving the names of the seasons, how did you know that's what our 2018 season is going to be called?!?!

Good points on the descriptions. Yes we definately want to make them as clear as possible for people when purchasing and that's part of the point of these changes to help make things clearer.

I believe the plan to be to make sure there is always a Deluxe type bundle that will contains the most up to date list of all the content.

Jason Bloggs, Joe's brother decides to play the game midway in season 5, he buys the DeLuxe version so gets the base game(season 1) and season 2 through 5. His sister wants to play midway through season 6 she buys the deluxe version and gets base game and season 2 through 6 etc etc.

Selling the base game and seasons separately IMO is so those of us that have the base game do not have to rebuy it (deluxe version) every season seeing as the Horizons pass was essentially the deluxe version like it is now.

What FD need to be clear about now is how they will handle old seasons for people that bought them individually.

This could use some clarification, will previous season value depreciate as ED base game has over time and you still need to buy each season?

Or will each new season include the previous ones? I think it should go this route seeing as deluxe version will include all seasons available and base game at the time of purchase otherwise they need to make each season depreciate in value drastically as new ones comes out.

It would also help the player base from being too fractured as time goes on because.... new players buy deluxe version.... old players that may have skipped a season because xyz but then buy a new season get previous ones too.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Given that the game has been out for less than 2 months, and they've just changed the pricing model. I'm going to guess that they haven't thought that far ahead

Damn, I thought that they had planned for ten years

 

[Zac Antonaci]

Interesting. Horizons (standalone) is £40 tonight only - I assumed the gold Asp was an incentive to get a few sales in at the old price before the new ED + Horizons Season Pass total came down below £40.

So here's the price breakdown. Looks like the new pricing is a better deal for all existing customers who have not upgraded yet, unless they are compulsive paintjob collectors, and for those who bought at the old price there is a gold paintjob, usually priced £10 in the store.

Only completely new customers end up paying slightly more tomorrow than they would if they get in tonight.

Well done FD for simplifying their price structure and making things better for (nearly) everyone.

BASE GAME	CURRENT PRICING	TOTAL	05 FEB 2016 PRICING	TOTAL
ED Mercenary preorder £35	Horizons old pricing £40 - £10 discount = £30	£65*,***	Horizons DLC Season Pass £25	£60
ED full price on launch day £40	Horizons old pricing £40 - £10 discount = £30	£70*,**	Horizons DLC Season Pass £25	£65
ED sale discount £10	Horizons old pricing £40 - £10 discount = £30	£40*,**	Horizons DLC Season Pass £25	£35
	ED Horizons standalone £40	£40**	ED £20 + Horizons £25	£45
N/A	N/A	N/A	ED Horizons Deluxe	£?****

* Includes access to Cobra Mk.4
** Includes Gold Asp paintjob
*** Includes Mercenary paintjob
**** Includes Tactical Eagle paintjob pack, Military Sidewinder paintjob pack, and a bobblehead (link)

(I won't go into KS/beta pricing as those include a hefty 'I was there' intangible)

Actually the Deluxe Edition (bundle) will be on sale for £40 so it's (I think) better for everyone? Although the most important part is making it simple and clear for people.